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Kingston Frontenacs 2024 25 Season Thread Part Iii

Disappointing game... started well but turned into quite the stinker.

I kinda get what Miedema was trying to do but losing that PP opportunity at the beginning of the second to regain the momentum was not smart...

If that's how the series is going to be called Kingston needs to adjust and play closer to the line - some of the little stuff they expected to be called wasn't.

Schenkel needs to improve rebound control. Some of the goals weren't really his fault but he could've helped himself with better rebound control - but also, the D need to win those battles.


I hope that's not the case.... But he definitely went in weirdly so who knows, at first I was a concerned with the way his neck bent
How has the Fronts PP been doing these playoffs so far?
2/16 vs Sudbury

Barrie plays a heavy game (Marty style) and 77 is a tough customer who play with an edge but you can't roll over and accept certain hits.

I will disagree with you 100% on not defending his teammate.

I keep watching certain Fronts plead/complain to the refs instead of working thru some adversity. Coach Mann needs to remind the players that refs put whistles away during the playoffs

#11 ducked / crouched down to avoid the incoming hip check. Going to leave a big hole on the back end, as really only 6 Fronts play a physical game and he is at the top of the list.
 
How has the Fronts PP been doing these playoffs so far?
2/16 vs Sudbury

Barrie plays a heavy game (Marty style) and 77 is a tough customer who play with an edge but you can't roll over and accept certain hits.

I will disagree with you 100% on not defending his teammate.

I keep watching certain Fronts plead/complain to the refs instead of working thru some adversity. Coach Mann needs to remind the players that refs put whistles away during the playoffs

#11 ducked / crouched down to avoid the incoming hip check. Going to leave a big hole on the back end, as really only 6 Fronts play a physical game and he is at the top of the list.
He actually tripped and was falling when he was hit - just to clarify for you, either way he has a broken clavicle and is out for season.
 
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Question Is Burns going to miss games for abuse of ref? With McGowan out, losing Burns for a couple of games will almost be a death knoll.

Looking at shots on goal, I would almost think that you also ran into a hot goalie. 33-12 in the first two periods and only 2 goals says a lot.

They are gong to have to play a tougher game and Schenkel is going to have to stand on his head.

Just noticed Oshawa amost had the same game as Kingston 1st 2 goals 37-17 in the first 2 periods
it was quality of shots that got it done not quantity- I don't remember Hillebrandt making 1 "great" save in this game. So many shots from the perimeter directly into his glove or chest for no rebound.
 
it was quality of shots that got it done not quantity- I don't remember Hillebrandt making 1 "great" save in this game. So many shots from the perimeter directly into his glove or chest for no rebound.
100% agreed. I'd love to see a heat map of shot attempts. They had a lot of possession but there wasn't a whole lot of chances generated from it.
How has the Fronts PP been doing these playoffs so far?
2/16 vs Sudbury

Barrie plays a heavy game (Marty style) and 77 is a tough customer who play with an edge but you can't roll over and accept certain hits.

I will disagree with you 100% on not defending his teammate.

I keep watching certain Fronts plead/complain to the refs instead of working thru some adversity. Coach Mann needs to remind the players that refs put whistles away during the playoffs

#11 ducked / crouched down to avoid the incoming hip check. Going to leave a big hole on the back end, as really only 6 Fronts play a physical game and he is at the top of the list.
I'm all for teammates defending teammates but they can't get drawn in every time there's a hard hit, because like you said Barrie is a gritty team and if Kingston gets suckered into instigating every time there's a big hit it'll be a short series.

I guess my main point is - there's a time and place to drop the gloves and stick up for your teammate, but there's also a time and place to take a number, try and hurt them on the scoreboard (although the PP has been booty so far) and get your physical payback later on, because you have at a bare minimum 9 more periods to go at him.
 
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It's actually pretty wild that Ferguson is allowed anywhere near the playoffs let alone round 2.
Question Is Burns going to miss games for abuse of ref? With McGowan out, losing Burns for a couple of games will almost be a death knoll.

Looking at shots on goal, I would almost think that you also ran into a hot goalie. 33-12 in the first two periods and only 2 goals says a lot.

They are gong to have to play a tougher game and Schenkel is going to have to stand on his head.

Just noticed Oshawa amost had the same game as Kingston 1st 2 goals 37-17 in the first 2 periods

100% agreed. I'd love to see a heat map of shot attempts. They had a lot of possession but there wasn't a whole lot of chances generated from it.
I'm all for teammates defending teammates but they can't get drawn in every time there's a hard hit, because like you said Barrie is a gritty team and if Kingston gets suckered into instigating every time there's a big hit it'll be a short series.

I guess my main point is - there's a time and place to drop the gloves and stick up for your teammate, but there's also a time and place to take a number, try and hurt them on the scoreboard (although the PP has been booty so far) and get your physical payback later on, because you have at a bare minimum 9 more periods to go at him.
Agreed on a time and a place.

In the first 10 minutes of the 1st game of the series 2 major things happened.
#7 clipped in the face in D zone and goes to the room while spitting blood
#11 goes to the room enroute to the hospital
Also multiple slashes to the back of the legs when play was dead

What game / period would you suggest is a good time to take a number with how things are trending?

#9 was in the box for 8 mins resulting in I believe 2 PP goals, were those penalties justified to take in terms of timing?
 
How has the Fronts PP been doing these playoffs so far?
2/16 vs Sudbury

Barrie plays a heavy game (Marty style) and 77 is a tough customer who play with an edge but you can't roll over and accept certain hits.

I will disagree with you 100% on not defending his teammate.

I keep watching certain Fronts plead/complain to the refs instead of working thru some adversity. Coach Mann needs to remind the players that refs put whistles away during the playoffs

#11 ducked / crouched down to avoid the incoming hip check. Going to leave a big hole on the back end, as really only 6 Fronts play a physical game and he is at the top of the list.
Not even mad about the McGowan thing that was completely on him for ducking down like an idiot.

My problem is all the missed calls on barrie where if that is kingston it gets called as we all watched last night. Too many non calls you can’t tell me Barrie is a bunch of saints and didn’t take a single penalty that is BS

Eliasson had 2 different times I thought for sure he would’ve gotten penalized and didn’t(neither is McGowan hit)

Hard to get going on powerplay if you don’t get any powerplays!! 4th in the reg season they clearly have it in them just going through a rough patch with it. Didn’t need the powerplay to beat Sudbury though. Will need it to beat Barrie especially with no burns for a game or two and no McGowan prob rest of playoffs.
 
Agreed on a time and a place.

In the first 10 minutes of the 1st game of the series 2 major things happened.
#7 clipped in the face in D zone and goes to the room while spitting blood
#11 goes to the room enroute to the hospital
Also multiple slashes to the back of the legs when play was dead

What game / period would you suggest is a good time to take a number with how things are trending?

#9 was in the box for 8 mins resulting in I believe 2 PP goals, were those penalties justified to take in terms of timing?
I don't know who was on the ice when McGowan got hurt, but that would've been a better time to go. You're up two, you can afford a blip and a good response to the fight can keep momentum rolling. 22 seconds into a fresh period tied at 2-2 with an upcoming powerplay opportunity? Not the best time.

There's no denying Heyes had a rough game, stupid blatant holding the stick and then a reckless high stick. His last rough was coincidental so not an issue.

The little slashes to the back of the leg are absolutely nothing - this is what I meant by Kingston needing to adapt. If those kinds of things aren't being called one way, why isn't Kingston doing it? If it bothers you enough to start bitching at the refs, do it to the other team...

Not even mad about the McGowan thing that was completely on him for ducking down like an idiot.

My problem is all the missed calls on barrie where if that is kingston it gets called as we all watched last night. Too many non calls you can’t tell me Barrie is a bunch of saints and didn’t take a single penalty that is BS

Eliasson had 2 different times I thought for sure he would’ve gotten penalized and didn’t(neither is McGowan hit)

Hard to get going on powerplay if you don’t get any powerplays!! 4th in the reg season they clearly have it in them just going through a rough patch with it. Didn’t need the powerplay to beat Sudbury though. Will need it to beat Barrie especially with no burns for a game or two and no McGowan prob rest of playoffs.
He pretty clearly lost an edge on replay - it was just unlucky.

None of Kingston's penalties were arguable, except maybe Burns, but I have no idea what was said. As I said responding to the other guy, Kingston would've had a PP if Miedema took a number.

The refs weren't great (as expected with Ferguson - one of few refs who's name I recognize), but Kingston didn't deserve to win. Plus I'm sure eif they start calling some of the little stuff on Barrie, it'll even out and Kingston will take some penalties that don't seem like 2 minutes.

The reffing sucks across the league, probably the only thing every fanbase will agree on but teams need to adjust to how a game is being called.

Kingston excels with a tightly called game because they are a mostly disciplined team with a normally potent PP - if the refs put the whistles away, they aren't used to it.
 
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Not even mad about the McGowan thing that was completely on him for ducking down like an idiot.

My problem is all the missed calls on barrie where if that is kingston it gets called as we all watched last night. Too many non calls you can’t tell me Barrie is a bunch of saints and didn’t take a single penalty that is BS

Eliasson had 2 different times I thought for sure he would’ve gotten penalized and didn’t(neither is McGowan hit)

Hard to get going on powerplay if you don’t get any powerplays!! 4th in the reg season they clearly have it in them just going through a rough patch with it. Didn’t need the powerplay to beat Sudbury though. Will need it to beat Barrie especially with no burns for a game or two and no McGowan prob rest of playoffs.
He didn’t duck down” like an idiot “- he himself said he tripped as he was trying to slip by Acheson.
 
I don't know who was on the ice when McGowan got hurt, but that would've been a better time to go. You're up two, you can afford a blip and a good response to the fight can keep momentum rolling. 22 seconds into a fresh period tied at 2-2 with an upcoming powerplay opportunity? Not the best time.

There's no denying Heyes had a rough game, stupid blatant holding the stick and then a reckless high stick. His last rough was coincidental so not an issue.

The little slashes to the back of the leg are absolutely nothing - this is what I meant by Kingston needing to adapt. If those kinds of things aren't being called one way, why isn't Kingston doing it? If it bothers you enough to start bitching at the refs, do it to the other team...


He pretty clearly lost an edge on replay - it was just unlucky.

None of Kingston's penalties were arguable, except maybe Burns, but I have no idea what was said. As I said responding to the other guy, Kingston would've had a PP if Miedema took a number.

The refs weren't great (as expected with Ferguson - one of few refs who's name I recognize), but Kingston didn't deserve to win. Plus I'm sure eif they start calling some of the little stuff on Barrie, it'll even out and Kingston will take some penalties that don't seem like 2 minutes.

The reffing sucks across the league, probably the only thing every fanbase will agree on but teams need to adjust to how a game is being called.

Kingston excels with a tightly called game because they are a mostly disciplined team with a normally potent PP - if the refs put the whistles away, they aren't used to it.
Also, whether you think the refs were bad or not this is playoffs - getting 5 pp opportunities a game isnt going to happen. barrie got 2, and kingston would have had 1 if they did not retaliate. very even. kington gave up too many grade A chances is the story for me.

1st goal- nobody covering backdoor pass for an empty net.
2nd goal- just a great shot thats how it goes when you play top players
3rd goal- get walked in the corner allowing beaudoin to take to net and rebound goes backdoor to another open player
4th goal- rebound right to wakely all by himself in front of net
5th goal- one timer from Jelsma from slot uncovered
6th goal- thats on the goalie needs to be saved.

plus numerous other chances they were lucky to get out of. if you give barrie these chances and they score 4 goals they are almost always going to win because they have great goalies.
 
None of Kingston's penalties were arguable, except maybe Burns, but I have no idea what was said. As I said responding to the other guy, Kingston would've had a PP if Miedema took a number.
Oh absolutely Kingstons were actually penalties you’ll never hear me whining about that. It’s just that I found the reffing to be atrocious. For some things they put the whistle away and for others they call it. Either call everything or call nothing that’s the way I see it cause if you do in between teams get screwed and that’s what happened. I was there in person and it’s ridiculous the stuff they let barrie get away with that may not show on tv.
 
Also, whether you think the refs were bad or not this is playoffs - getting 5 pp opportunities a game isnt going to happen. barrie got 2
4. OHL messed up.

Heyes 13:52 of first holding stick

Heyes double minor for high sticking 14:51 in third. Scored on first one then got to play out second one.

Burns unsportsmanlike 17:53 of third

4pts to 0 and they actually went 2/4 not 2/2
 
4. OHL messed up.

Heyes 13:52 of first holding stick

Heyes double minor for high sticking 14:51 in third. Scored on first one then got to play out second one.

Burns unsportsmanlike 17:53 of third

4pts to 0 and they actually went 2/4 not 2/2
what do you mean the OHL messed up lol.

a double minor counts as one PP in hockey. so it isn't 4 PPs. and the burns unsportsmanlike penalty was ireelvant. If it is a close game is wouldn't be handed out.

Don't make excuses man. It was a 6-2 game. The refs were not going to make up that ground for yoy.
 
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Both of these pics are good. Going to be interesting to see whothey pair Henderson with.

Kulemin isnot going to get pushed around good solid pick for the future. Please keephim and donot trade him this year
 
Solid first round - size and potential down the middle with Kulemin, and what sounds like a steady defenseman in Henderson.

A couple scouting reports I was able to find on both - first from Brock Otten's mock draft, and second from the OHL media guide.

Aleks Kulemin
Otten (HM) - Kulemin is one of the most intriguing wild cards in this class. At 6'3" with a powerful stride and a growing physical presence, he’s a big, raw forward who shows flashes of high-end tools but remains a project. His game lacks polish and consistency, but the physical traits and flashes of offensive instinct give him long-term upside. As the son of former NHLer Nikolai Kulemin, there’s added intrigue, and some teams may bet on the bloodlines and ceiling, especially late in the first. He’s not a complete player yet, but someone could take the swing early.

Media Guide - Aleks is a big-bodied winger that is at his best when he is going up and down the wing and playing physical. He has a good skill set and understands where he needs to go to be successful on the ice. He plays a solid 200-foot game and does the little things well during the course of the game.

Matthew Henderson
Otten (mocked 14 to BRAM) - For a franchise looking to build around stability and high-end hockey sense, Henderson is the ideal foundational piece. The top defenseman in this class, he brings elite-level skating, poise, and two-way polish. He can quarterback a power play, kill penalties, and log big minutes against top competition. His mature game and ability to control pace fit seamlessly with Brampton’s need for a reliable cornerstone on the back end. Henderson’s IQ, physical edge, and ability to move the puck cleanly make him a potential captain-type prospect for a franchise building from the ground up.

Media Guide - Matthew is a smooth skating defender that is calm under pressure and plays a ton of big minutes for his team. He uses his feet well to defend, closes gaps quickly and is always on the right side of the puck. His skill set is above average and it allows him to move the puck efficiently in all three zones. He is a strong competitor and rarely gets beat one on one, takes the body when he has to and has a good active stick. He is one of only five defencemen on his team so he plays a ton and never really seems too fatigued, as he is an effortless skater. Simple yet effective is the best way to describe Matthew.

There are still quite a few names available from the Media Guide (Only 47 players with detailed write-ups) - Carter Beauschene, Lyndon Cabral, Lincoln Edwards, Gensen Geldart, Kingston Harris, Lachlan Larmand, Tyler Lee, Hayden Martin, Rocco Pelosi (USNTDP) and Cannon Thibodeau (USNTDP).

From what I've read elsewhere - Geldart seems like a safe two-way C with decent size, Cabral seems like a high end goal scorer, and Harris seems like a solid offensive center with potential. Since these guys were fairly consistently highly rated I do wonder if there's some reporting concerns.

I don't know how successful they'd be, but I wonder if Kingston looks at an older player that can step in right away with the amount of turnover that'll happen over the summer. There's been a couple '08s and even an '07 picked - but Kingston isn't exactly a dream destination so who knows.
 
Solid first round - size and potential down the middle with Kulemin, and what sounds like a steady defenseman in Henderson.

A couple scouting reports I was able to find on both - first from Brock Otten's mock draft, and second from the OHL media guide.

Aleks Kulemin
Otten (HM) - Kulemin is one of the most intriguing wild cards in this class. At 6'3" with a powerful stride and a growing physical presence, he’s a big, raw forward who shows flashes of high-end tools but remains a project. His game lacks polish and consistency, but the physical traits and flashes of offensive instinct give him long-term upside. As the son of former NHLer Nikolai Kulemin, there’s added intrigue, and some teams may bet on the bloodlines and ceiling, especially late in the first. He’s not a complete player yet, but someone could take the swing early.
Glad they’re taking a swing on the kid with 2 first round picks that’s the right choice you make. Think they took a while making selection because they were banking on flint taking someone else, then they obviously had to figure out a new guy. Wonder if he grows anymore. Dad is 6’1
Matthew Henderson
Otten (mocked 14 to BRAM) - For a franchise looking to build around stability and high-end hockey sense, Henderson is the ideal foundational piece. The top defenseman in this class, he brings elite-level skating, poise, and two-way polish. He can quarterback a power play, kill penalties, and log big minutes against top competition. His mature game and ability to control pace fit seamlessly with Brampton’s need for a reliable cornerstone on the back end. Henderson’s IQ, physical edge, and ability to move the puck cleanly make him a potential captain-type prospect for a franchise building from the ground up.
Perhaps an OHL comparison would be a poor man’s Matthew Schaefer? (Not saying he’s going to be as good as that’s probably unrealistic)
Media Guide - Matthew is a smooth skating defender that is calm under pressure and plays a ton of big minutes for his team. He uses his feet well to defend, closes gaps quickly and is always on the right side of the puck. His skill set is above average and it allows him to move the puck efficiently in all three zones. He is a strong competitor and rarely gets beat one on one, takes the body when he has to and has a good active stick. He is one of only five defencemen on his team so he plays a ton and never really seems too fatigued, as he is an effortless skater. Simple yet effective is the best way to describe Matthew.
Love this pick.
There are still quite a few names available from the Media Guide (Only 47 players with detailed write-ups) - Carter Beauschene, Lyndon Cabral, Lincoln Edwards, Gensen Geldart, Kingston Harris, Lachlan Larmand, Tyler Lee, Hayden Martin, Rocco Pelosi (USNTDP) and Cannon Thibodeau (USNTDP).

From what I've read elsewhere - Geldart seems like a safe two-way C with decent size, Cabral seems like a high end goal scorer, and Harris seems like a solid offensive center with potential. Since these guys were fairly consistently highly rated I do wonder if there's some reporting concerns.
Kingston-> Kingston. Wouldn’t complain about that. Hoping for their 4th rounder they get either him or the 08 born American Blake Zielinski. Only problem is he is with the Des Moines buccaneers in the USHL right now. If they can manage to pull him away that would be huge. Committed to college for 2027/28 but would be huge the next couple years no doubt. Seems like a London or Kitchener move though but I would applaud Cooper if he had the balls to make the move.

Now of course hopefully both will be there. The 2 couple of guys I was hoping for #9 Murata and Laus both went 7 and 8 oddly enough and we just barely missed them lol.
I don't know how successful they'd be, but I wonder if Kingston looks at an older player that can step in right away with the amount of turnover that'll happen over the summer. There's been a couple '08s and even an '07 picked - but Kingston isn't exactly a dream destination so who knows.
Not exactly London or Kitchener but the way I see it- we will be a bottom team in all likelyhood next year and they’ll want the playing time. Everyone knows the CHL is the best development league in the world and playing for Troy Mann could be HUGE for a players development.
 
4th round - Fronts pick another Huron-Perth D, Dante D'Andrea. Seems on the smaller size but again seems as a smooth skater, was an HM in Brock Ottens mock
- D’Andrea is a good transitional defender who’s mobile, smart and a decent playmaker. He’s better defensively than offensively, but scouts say that he showed more confidence as a puck carrier as the season wore on. Look for D’Andrea to become a top-four defender.

5th round - Toronto Marlboros goalie Royden Smith - not much info but decent size at 6'2"

6th round - Toronto Titans C Ty Robar, a few places had him a fair bit higher, seems like an offensive guy
 

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