Kingston Frontenacs 2024-25 Season Thread, Part II

beastintheeast

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Thibs actually brought a great package back. Lots of picks same with frasca- I was impressed.


The 2 mistakes were not trading ludwinski last year and not picking a 16 year old who would report such as Luca Blonda, Tyler Challenger, Alex McLean etc
Consider what they brought and then think about what they could have meant to a team at the deadline last year. I think they might ahve brought more.

BUT yes the 2 things you mention were big but really would not have moved the needle very much if you are considering the rookie as a trade piece.

This is a building team, not a competing team. I'm sorry, but there are just too many teams that are in better condition.
 
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In regards to this years trade deadline do you guys think that the fronts will do a mild sell or add a little bit or will they just run with what they got right now?
Wouldn’t rule out anything but I’m not sure using a OA spot on a goalie when your splitting starts is smart. They potentially could lose a decent amount of key guys next year so maybe they go for it
 
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Logosarejusttargets

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Light buyers gets you exactly what happened last year a first round exit pick one and do it
It isn’t going to be the same. They won’t be up against an overwhelming favourite (North Bay) they may still end up with home ice, and they’ve got an older experienced team. Only one team can win, so blow your brains out of not - you have to execute with whomever you are playing. Chemistry matters more at this age group than pro too- so trades can elevate or deflate your team.
 
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beastintheeast

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Light buyers gets you exactly what happened last year a first round exit pick one and do it
Last year, they were a light buyer. What they should have been is a light seller. Ludwinski should have been traded. Possibly Thib also, but that might have been too much.

This year you have a choice blow your brains out knowing that you have other teams that are going to be better no matter what you do.
OR
make a few small deals and see if you can get something to replace the players you will lose for next year.
The challenge that you have is that you are losing your top 2 defence and a winger. Add to that that you do not have a goaltender next year that can lead the team
 

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Last year, they were a light buyer. What they should have been is a light seller. Ludwinski should have been traded. Possibly Thib also, but that might have been too much.

This year you have a choice blow your brains out knowing that you have other teams that are going to be better no matter what you do.
OR
make a few small deals and see if you can get something to replace the players you will lose for next year.
The challenge that you have is that you are losing your top 2 defence and a winger. Add to that that you do not have a goaltender next year that can lead the team
I think Betts is the real deal, and will be a solid and reliable goalie for years to come.
 

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But do you see him as the starter next year. Vaccari is not
There's a real case to be made that Betts should be the starter right now, so yeah I fully expect him to be the starter next year. I'm guessing they'll pick up a cheap veteran back up because they have no other goalies signed at this point.
 

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I think Kingston will make their trades, if any, before Friday because they are doing their northern swing this weekend. They are in North Bay on Thursday and the Soo on Friday. They could do a trade on Friday and tell the player to meet them in Sudbury on Sunday. We will see.
 

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Last year, they were a light buyer. What they should have been is a light seller. Ludwinski should have been traded. Possibly Thib also, but that might have been too much.

This year you have a choice blow your brains out knowing that you have other teams that are going to be better no matter what you do.
OR
make a few small deals and see if you can get something to replace the players you will lose for next year.
The challenge that you have is that you are losing your top 2 defence and a winger. Add to that that you do not have a goaltender next year that can lead the team

I’m not convinced that the other teams are that much better. We all assumed Brampton would be elite and they have not. They have had injuries that have really held them back but regardless of that, they should be better with the lineup they are rolling out. They have a couple fundamental flaws in their roster construction that need to be addressed this week. We shall see if they can address those flaws.

Oshawa has had Oster not nearly as solid as he was last year. They are top heavy which is good for the playoffs but Barlow has been very average. They need to address their defence which looks like thy have done so but the overall depth on that roster is weak. They will have to hope they stay fully healthy.

Brantford may add but they should not be a factor. Niagara is more likely to stay status quo. Sudbury will try to add but n one likes to work with Papineau so they will likely end up short at the deadline. If Parker Vaughn will not waive his NTC, that really hampers the Colts from making another move for an elite player. They may be able to tinker a bit more but that is about it.

Kingston has the luxury of sitting back and watching the big domino’s fall. They have the depth up front to be good enough there. They need some depth defence. There may be an OA D-Man that falls in their lap. They could also find a quality 19 year old to add to the top 4 possibly. If there is another team like Flint or Sudbury that wasn’t able to make a buyer move decide to make a seller move, Kingston can take advantage.

It isn’t always about making a run for a Championship and being the front runner. It can be about giving it a run when the landscape is somewhat open. If Kingston positions themselves in the #3 slot, that is fine. They’d likely get a round 2 series vs Oshawa. Let Barrie and Brampton battle it out in round two (assuming Brampton fixes whatever is ailing them). See what happens.

IMO, they need to keep Hopkins for this year. Go get some good middle roster players, improve the back end and see what happens. If they can trade for a kid like Bowen then do it. Open the OA slot and get a kid like Mayich. Even if that is all they do, they are much better and that is done jsut with draft picks. It should get them out of round one and competitive for round 2. If the goalie can get hot, who knows?
 

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I think Kingston will make their trades, if any, before Friday because they are doing their northern swing this weekend. They are in North Bay on Thursday and the Soo on Friday. They could do a trade on Friday and tell the player to meet them in Sudbury on Sunday. We will see.
It just so happens that those teams are two of the only sellers, so it could be an easy trip for any would-be trade acquisitions. I still maintain that Schenkel would be a very impactful add at a reasonable price.
 

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I'm going to totally beat a dead horse here but at this point it almost has to be done - that Malhotra pick is killing them. There is absolutely no reason Kingston wouldn't have been able to outbid Barrie's offer for OVS/Romani. Malhotra, Heyes/Lalonde and 2 3rds. They didn't even get a conditional second in the trade!!!! If they don't win 2 rounds I think they need to look at a GM change.

I know there's still a week for trades but Oshawa and Barrie are looking real scary
 

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I'm going to totally beat a dead horse here but at this point it almost has to be done - that Malhotra pick is killing them. There is absolutely no reason Kingston wouldn't have been able to outbid Barrie's offer for OVS/Romani. Malhotra, Heyes/Lalonde and 2 3rds. They didn't even get a conditional second in the trade!!!! If they don't win 2 rounds I think they need to look at a GM change.

I know there's still a week for trades but Oshawa and Barrie are looking real scary
Day after day looking more and more like Kingston doesn’t have much of a chance this year

They need to sell.
Not sure how they would go about this but that would be the smartest decision cooper could possibly make imo. If you sell Burns and Miedema to a team like Erie or Brantford and get Challenger/o’donnell plus picks then that could be the only move they need to make. No 08 FRP is going to KILL them. Betts is going to be great though by the looks of it. a weak 07 group minus Hopkins. Could be a decent 08 group if we added a young player and then 2 first round picks and probably a second we would get in a trade for that to add next year. Still have guys like battaglia(until deadline next year) Hopkins, Dervin, Williamson all of next year with some great OA’s in Soto, Mcnamara and McGowan

Again. Well aware this isn’t what is going to happen. Just something I’d like to happen.

Sudbury they add and keep musty they have potential to be better than us too. Brampton will get it together at some point here and rumours of adding Konnor smith, Brantford rumours of adding Pinelli after they’ve already had our number- Niagara’s been great this year too. We may end up as low as 7th in the conference.. AGAIN.

Literally carbon copy of what happened last year. Teams loading up around us and we sit and watch and do absolutely nothing.

Convinced even if they added a guy like Jett Luchanko that still wouldn’t do much for us. Still wouldn’t like them over Oshawa, Barrie for example not even factoring in potentially Sudbury and Brampton buying

Just a lost cause this year- cooper needs to sell. Plain and simple.
 

Logosarejusttargets

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I'm going to totally beat a dead horse here but at this point it almost has to be done - that Malhotra pick is killing them. There is absolutely no reason Kingston wouldn't have been able to outbid Barrie's offer for OVS/Romani. Malhotra, Heyes/Lalonde and 2 3rds. They didn't even get a conditional second in the trade!!!! If they don't win 2 rounds I think they need to look at a GM change.

I know there's still a week for trades but Oshawa and Barrie are looking real scary
They were looking scary before the trade-so what’s the difference now? Only one team can win- and every year there are 3-4 teams that do this crazy wheeling and dealing and ultimately fail in the end.

How do you know Cooper didn’t try? Just because you threw the names out there doesn’t mean they wanted them.
 

frontsfan67

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They were looking scary before the trade-so what’s the difference now? Only one team can win- and every year there are 3-4 teams that do this crazy wheeling and dealing and ultimately fail in the end.

How do you know Cooper didn’t try? Just because you threw the names out there doesn’t mean they wanted them.
Obviously he tried.

Point is we are still hopeless this season and maybe next. (But if he cuts his losses and focuses on rebuilding it’s not 2 years lost- just the 1) (technically 2 with last year but you get the point)
 

leafs4life94

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They were looking scary before the trade-so what’s the difference now? Only one team can win- and every year there are 3-4 teams that do this crazy wheeling and dealing and ultimately fail in the end.

How do you know Cooper didn’t try? Just because you threw the names out there doesn’t mean they wanted them.
I'm not saying he didn't try, I have no doubts that he checked in on most of the big names out there. My issue is taking a very risky 1st rounder in a year that you've been building towards for 2-3 years. That's a key asset essentially thrown away.

If Kingston is looking like they're around the same level as the teams around them, and all the other teams get better, that just means Kingston is relatively worse.

There's still a ton of time and names to move to have an opinion on deadline moves - my issue is that if the draft decision is the difference between getting one of those players and missing out? That's a major whiff.
 

OMG67

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Too much doom and gloom in here. You don’t need top of league elite players to add. It is better but it doesn’t mean the Fronts cannot make a few solid deals using primarily draft picks.

Add Bowen for a 2nd and 3rd. Add Mayich for a 2nd, 3rd, and 5th. Release Lalonde. That is a start and you would still have three 2nds and five 3rds. That is enough to add a significant player or two.

Kingston can score goals. They are not elite for scoring but they score enough. If they can reduce goals by .5 per game, that would make a huge difference.

There may be a decent number of quality scoring guys that are in that point per game range. Sarnia has two decent 19 year olds (Wainright and Young). If you can pick up Young, that would be great too. Imagine the defence adding Bowen, Mayich, and Young.

I am not saying those deals are all out there but there are a lot of deals like that available and it will only take draft picks for those types of guys.
 
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Not looking too good right now, hopefully we can pull something out if cooper is not asleep at the wheel
Could you please remind me on what we are waiting for?

To me this reeks of a GM and organization who can’t pull the trigger or attract the players.

-Apparently, we had the best offer for Wakely and he said no thanks
-I heard that we were looking to acquire Romani for when he’s healthy , but that’s a done deal with Barrie.

Is the GMs phone on?
Sell the top dogs and recoup last years absurd buy at the deadline.
 

Logosarejusttargets

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Could you please remind me on what we are waiting for?

To me this reeks of a GM and organization who can’t pull the trigger or attract the players.

-Apparently, we had the best offer for Wakely and he said no thanks
-I heard that we were looking to acquire Romani for when he’s healthy , but that’s a done deal with Barrie.

Is the GMs phone on?
Sell the top dogs and recoup last years absurd buy at the deadline.
How tf does anyone actually know this crap? Just because Twitter or hfboard hack says it?
 
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