Kingston Frontenacs 2024-25 Season Thread, Part I

[OMG67]

Did you watch this game live or see a replay on Twitter?
Link?

Of the top 25 point getters currently in the OHL, only 2 players have a negative +/- rating
I know this stat isn't always relevant but why is a 20 point player on the Fronts a -1 ???

I understand where you are going with this and I cannot answer it directly but some players compile points on the powerplay. They are very valuable in that situation and are relied on greatly. They may have a deficiency in their game at 5 on 5 but they more than make up for it on the PP. So, if a player is your leader in points but is a relative EVEN on +/-, it means that in 5 on 5 situations, he is average. But if 40% of his points are on the PP, then the player still has great value.

+/- in general is a team stat. You need to compare them against their own teammates. Even when doing that, you should also consider time on ice. A 4th line player that is a +1 and getting 6 minutes of ice per game vs a 1st line player getting 20 minutes per gam and is a -2, doesn’t really tell you much.

I use plus/minus as a measuring stick between lines. If the first line is generally -5 and the 2nd line is generally +5, it would suggest the 2nd line is more responsible and productive 5 on 5. Is it meaningful? Maybe not but it could be a good way of identifying if a line has a gap where the coach can maybe move a few pieces around to see if they have better success.

I also find it is a stronger measuring stick for defence. When you have a D-Man that is -10 and another that is +10, it usually stands out quite a bit.

 

[leafs4life94]

I understand where you are going with this and I cannot answer it directly but some players compile points on the powerplay. They are very valuable in that situation and are relied on greatly. They may have a deficiency in their game at 5 on 5 but they more than make up for it on the PP. So, if a player is your leader in points but is a relative EVEN on +/-, it means that in 5 on 5 situations, he is average. But if 40% of his points are on the PP, then the player still has great value.

+/- in general is a team stat. You need to compare them against their own teammates. Even when doing that, you should also consider time on ice. A 4th line player that is a +1 and getting 6 minutes of ice per game vs a 1st line player getting 20 minutes per gam and is a -2, doesn’t really tell you much.

I use plus/minus as a measuring stick between lines. If the first line is generally -5 and the 2nd line is generally +5, it would suggest the 2nd line is more responsible and productive 5 on 5. Is it meaningful? Maybe not but it could be a good way of identifying if a line has a gap where the coach can maybe move a few pieces around to see if they have better success.

I also find it is a stronger measuring stick for defence. When you have a D-Man that is -10 and another that is +10, it usually stands out quite a bit.

15 of Battaglia's 20 points are at even strength, compared to 10 of Hopkins' 12 (+3) and 11 of Soto's 13 (+3). The only other top 9 forward that's a minus is Heyes at a -4 (0 PPP).

The fact he's been on the ice for 16 ES goals against when his normal linemates have only been on for 7/8 respectively tells me either he's gotten extra shifts with weaker lineups or, purely speculating - he takes long shifts and stays out too long and gets beat/hemmed in.

He's also the only player to have been on for all three ES OT goals against. Obviously you have to have him out there because of his offensive abilities but his defensive game clearly isn't anywhere near as good as his offensive game.

 

[OMG67]

15 of Battaglia's 20 points are at even strength, compared to 10 of Hopkins' 12 (+3) and 11 of Soto's 13 (+3). The only other top 9 forward that's a minus is Heyes at a -4 (0 PPP).

The fact he's been on the ice for 16 ES goals against when his normal linemates have only been on for 7/8 respectively tells me either he's gotten extra shifts with weaker lineups or, purely speculating - he takes long shifts and stays out too long and gets beat/hemmed in.

He's also the only player to have been on for all three ES OT goals against. Obviously you have to have him out there because of his offensive abilities but his defensive game clearly isn't anywhere near as good as his offensive game.

That taht is a coaching issue where he needs added support to offset his defensive deficiencies, if that is in fact what the situation is. It is also a small sample size so it can be tough when we are talking about 12ish games.

 

[dirty12]

Did you watch this game live or see a replay on Twitter?
Link?

Of the top 25 point getters currently in the OHL, only 2 players have a negative +/- rating
I know this stat isn't always relevant but why is a 20 point player on the Fronts a -1 ???

In part because an OA that would pass through league waivers is on that line. I do not watch a whole lot of Kingston, but he stuck out like a sore thumb at NB.

 

[PuckLucker]

I understand where you are going with this and I cannot answer it directly but some players compile points on the powerplay. They are very valuable in that situation and are relied on greatly. They may have a deficiency in their game at 5 on 5 but they more than make up for it on the PP. So, if a player is your leader in points but is a relative EVEN on +/-, it means that in 5 on 5 situations, he is average. But if 40% of his points are on the PP, then the player still has great value.

+/- in general is a team stat. You need to compare them against their own teammates. Even when doing that, you should also consider time on ice. A 4th line player that is a +1 and getting 6 minutes of ice per game vs a 1st line player getting 20 minutes per gam and is a -2, doesn’t really tell you much.

I use plus/minus as a measuring stick between lines. If the first line is generally -5 and the 2nd line is generally +5, it would suggest the 2nd line is more responsible and productive 5 on 5. Is it meaningful? Maybe not but it could be a good way of identifying if a line has a gap where the coach can maybe move a few pieces around to see if they have better success.

I also find it is a stronger measuring stick for defence. When you have a D-Man that is -10 and another that is +10, it usually stands out quite a bit.

In part because an OA that would pass through league waivers is on that line. I do not watch a whole lot of Kingston, but he stuck out like a sore thumb at NB.

I'm not sure which player you're speaking about but I can speculate.
These are typically the Fwd Lines and new-ish Def pairings:

 

[FrontalLobe]

I wonder if if they give one their three high PIM guys a break at some point here as a message to be disciplined - Burns/McNamara/Miedema alone account for over half of the entire team PIM, and if they sat one of them A) hopefully it'd get the point across of discipline and B) it'd give someone else an opportunity to move up the lineup.

I know on the listed lines they had the D Pairs mixed up on Sunday - did they stick with that the whole game or was it a paper shuffle and they just protected Moore? I wasn't able to watch.

It looked as though they used a 5 man rotation and just spot shifted Moore a few shifts each period.