Kingston Frontenacs 2024-25 Season Thread, Part I

[Petes1987]

I think Musty is a no-go for a lot of teams. the price and the attitude will make it hard to sell, and Sudbury is showing they really do not care what he does. To me, that is a good thing. Sudbury is winning the battle because Grier is putting the screws to the agent to get something done. My personal preference is Peterborough.

As to Mews he might be an interesting partner for either Pie or Burns. It would definitely give you a strong back end on the PP.

What would a Vaccari and Weir, plus a couple of picks, look like as a trade? I know @OMG67 is going to scream, but it might help Ottawa in the short term, as well as giving them a young RW to slot in.

I think the deal the Petes made for Ryan Merkley is a comparable deal for Henry Mewswhich. The deal was Pavel Gogolov plus a 2nd, a 3rd, a cond. 2nd, a cond. 3rd and a cond. 4th. For Merkley I am sure what the conditions were. That trade was a disaster for the Petes.

 

[frontsfan67]

It's crazy that Zack Sandhu died from that hit and then was able to fight 2 minutes later

Was happening all night lol definitely got in the fronts heads. Regardless was always going to lose that game though. Knew it would be a rough one

 

[beastintheeast]

Personal preference of Peterborough for what?

I hate when players whine about being traded and are rewarded for the whine by trading to a contending team. Sending him to a last-place team sends a message not only to him and his agent but also to others thinking about it.

 

[frontsfan67]

I hate when players whine about being traded and are rewarded for the whine by trading to a contending team. Sending him to a last-place team sends a message not only to him and his agent but also to others thinking about it.

I get what you’re saying beast and I’d think it’s hilarious banishing him to Peterborough for the year however that’s not very professional from the front office and it’s their job to get the best return possible while also working with Mustys agent on whatever teams musty would be willing to go to.

Tonight was a real measuring stick game. Gens at full strength and fronts too. No excuses- the fronts are a long ways away from being able to compete with Oshawa. Brantford will be way better too with their 2 import d and whatever else they add. Brampton and Barrie are both going to be better than us and they’re both likely not done adding.

I’d like to be an optimist but I try to tell it like it is and the truth is fronts should do a light sell because they’re not competing this year

 

[OMG67]

Musty is a 1st overall OHL pick. He’s a 1st round NHL pick. He scored over 40 goals and 100 points last year. Sudbury, although playing well right now, may not be the right spot for Musty. Players request trades all the time. I dont’ see any issue with what Musty is doing. I’m not a fan of sitting out to wait for a trade but that is a small issue overall. Musty is a top player and will command a huge return. He is more impactful as a current OHL player than Barlow IMO. The trade return Sudbury will receive will reflect that.

Sudbury management needs to take their time and wait for the right deal.

 

[beastintheeast]

Musty is a 1st overall OHL pick. He’s a 1st round NHL pick. He scored over 40 goals and 100 points last year. Sudbury, although playing well right now, may not be the right spot for Musty. Players request trades all the time. I dont’ see any issue with what Musty is doing. I’m not a fan of sitting out to wait for a trade but that is a small issue overall. Musty is a top player and will command a huge return. He is more impactful as a current OHL player than Barlow IMO. The trade return Sudbury will receive will reflect that.

Sudbury management needs to take their time and wait for the right deal.

The catch for Musty and where he has hurt himself is that he didnot report to Sudbury and play. This is not only hurting his development but it is also hurting the perception tht SJS and Grier have of him and his agent. It is going to be interesting to see what happens; I have a feeling he is not going to get the team he wants but the team that Sudbury gets the best offer from. His agent is getting heat from Grier to get him back on the ice.

I get what you’re saying beast and I’d think it’s hilarious banishing him to Peterborough for the year however that’s not very professional from the front office and it’s their job to get the best return possible while also working with Mustys agent on whatever teams musty would be willing to go to.

Tonight was a real measuring stick game. Gens at full strength and fronts too. No excuses- the fronts are a long ways away from being able to compete with Oshawa. Brantford will be way better too with their 2 import d and whatever else they add. Brampton and Barrie are both going to be better than us and they’re both likely not done adding.

I’d like to be an optimist but I try to tell it like it is and the truth is fronts should do a light sell because they’re not competing this year

Yeah, I know what you are saying and agree, but it is still nice to dream that a GM would have the testicular fortitude to pull the trade. You can be guaranteed that the Petes are not on his wish list. He would have been a great deadline acquisition had he come back and let them know he wanted out and played his assets off. Now he sists at home without the phone ringing and possibly missses the WJC

 

[leafs4life94]

Well that sucked. The only positive thing you can say about that game is that the 4th line looked solid when playing on the 3rd.

I've said enough about the Burns/Sandhu hit so I'm not gonna regurgitate but Jesus Christ that was awful.

Lalonde should've been pulled earlier strictly to spare him from the brutal defense all game long.

Obviously it's only one game but it didn't look like there was enough they could add that would put them on Oshawa level.

I want to keep spewing but there's not much else to be said. They sucked, plain and simple.

 

[OMG67]

The catch for Musty and where he has hurt himself is that he didnot report to Sudbury and play. This is not only hurting his development but it is also hurting the perception tht SJS and Grier have of him and his agent. It is going to be interesting to see what happens; I have a feeling he is not going to get the team he wants but the team that Sudbury gets the best offer from. His agent is getting heat from Grier to get him back on the ice.


Yeah, I know what you are saying and agree, but it is still nice to dream that a GM would have the testicular fortitude to pull the trade. You can be guaranteed that the Petes are not on his wish list. He would have been a great deadline acquisition had he come back and let them know he wanted out and played his assets off. Now he sists at home without the phone ringing and possibly missses the WJC

Musty has a full no trade clause as a first round pick. He will dictate where he goes without question.

 

[beastintheeast]

Musty has a full no trade clause as a first round pick. He will dictate where he goes without question.

He may have the clause but his agent and he are caught between two big immovable objects
Sudbury not interested in trading unless they get the deal they want
SJS and Grier are telling his agent to get off the pot and get playing.

This is going to be an interesting play. Remember, Wright did not get his choice either. I think Sudbury knows where they are and that they are sitting with the angels right now, so they are not going to do anything to help him unless it benefits the team. No trade clauses are good if you can back it up right now he is sitting at home playing hockey with his 3 friends Me Myself and I.

 

[frontsfan67]

He may have the clause but his agent and he are caught between two big immovable objects
Sudbury not interested in trading unless they get the deal they want
SJS and Grier are telling his agent to get off the pot and get playing.

This is going to be an interesting play. Remember, Wright did not get his choice either. I think Sudbury knows where they are and that they are sitting with the angels right now, so they are not going to do anything to help him unless it benefits the team. No trade clauses are good if you can back it up right now he is sitting at home playing hockey with his 3 friends Me Myself and I.

Beast they don’t ask for just 1 team. The players give 3-5 teams that player would be willing to go to (usually contenders) and the gm tries to get the best deal possible with those 3-5 teams.

From what I heard. Windsor, London, Ottawa were for sure 3. Not sure about if there was others but I’d imagine there was more for wright

Musty is probably the same- has 3-5

If I were to guess I’d say kingston, Barrie, Oshawa, London and Erie would make the most sense

 

[OMG67]

Beast they don’t ask for just 1 team. The players give 3-5 teams that player would be willing to go to (usually contenders) and the gm tries to get the best deal possible with those 3-5 teams.

From what I heard. Windsor, London, Ottawa were for sure 3. Not sure about if there was others but I’d imagine there was more for wright

Musty is probably the same- has 3-5

If I were to guess I’d say kingston, Barrie, Oshawa, London and Erie would make the most sense

Ottawa wouldn’t move Mews in the Wright deal. I wasn’t keen on it either to be honest but I was keen on Boyd adding one more piece that year for depth. As it turned out, going over the top like the Petes did was the right move and if Ottawa had moved Mews, we wouldn’t have been in the toilet like the Petes are now either.

 

[beastintheeast]

Beast they don’t ask for just 1 team. The players give 3-5 teams that player would be willing to go to (usually contenders) and the gm tries to get the best deal possible with those 3-5 teams.

From what I heard. Windsor, London, Ottawa were for sure 3. Not sure about if there was others but I’d imagine there was more for wright

Musty is probably the same- has 3-5

If I were to guess I’d say kingston, Barrie, Oshawa, London and Erie would make the most sense

No offence, but I can not see Kingston as a landing spot. I think that he is looking at contenders, and for the Fronts to even consider it, they would have to give up major pieces that would set them back.

I think Erie is the most likely spot, but the question remains: What will these teams offer? I think Sudbury may be slowly dealing until they know for sure what they are doing this year. Right now they can make the argument they are contenders, but by Christmas, once Brampton and Barrie figure out their games, they could quickly become a mid-card in a slow retool. If that is the case, then the plans they would want and picks might be different. I consider him an early deadline rental as I do not see him back next year.

 

[Generalsupdates]

Can Burns score the hat trick of Fighting - Instigated Upon in the 3rd period?

His face couldn't handle another one after Torrance (2nd career fight?) beat him pretty good in the 1st. Burns can be a good player but man he gets pissy and plays out of control when his team is getting their teeth kicked in

 

[beastintheeast]

If you were doing a mild sell this year who would you be offering?

 

[frontsfan67]

If you were doing a mild sell this year who would you be offering?

Burns, Miedema for sure maybe McNamara as well.

No point in trading Guindon imo as they just picked him up and he loves it here and has been a big part of our team. Don’t think we would get as much as we paid back for him so no point in doing that trade

 

[ScoutLife4]

His face couldn't handle another one after Torrance (2nd career fight?) beat him pretty good in the 1st. Burns can be a good player but man he gets pissy and plays out of control when his team is getting their teeth kicked in

I don't know what you were watching but that fight was shit.
Looked like 2 12 year olds hugging.
Each player landed 1 shot and Burns got cut by his visor lol.

 

[FrontalLobe]

Burns, Miedema for sure maybe McNamara as well.

No point in trading Guindon imo as they just picked him up and he loves it here and has been a big part of our team. Don’t think we would get as much as we paid back for him so no point in doing that trade

Had really hoped they would be a contender this year but pointless wasted trades last year and failure to pull the trigger this year seems to have put us in a bad spot. There is no way this team contends next year either, even with a sell. We have ten19-year-olds including both Euros. This was supposed to be the year.

As for a sale, I couldn't agree more with you on those three to start and we don't often agree on here. Lol. Move Burns while he still has this mythological hype about him. i don't get it at all at this point. I love his passion but he is very overrated in my opinion. He's not offensive, he's not defensive as portrayed/advertised and takes meaningless penalties at terrible times. The other two just move them already. I could type three pages right now. So frustrating for STH's.

 

[frontsfan67]

Had really hoped they would be a contender this year but pointless wasted trades last year and failure to pull the trigger this year seems to have put us in a bad spot. There is no way this team contends next year either, even with a sell. We have ten19-year-olds including both Euros. This was supposed to be the year.

As for a sale, I couldn't agree more with you on those three to start and we don't often agree on here. Lol. Move Burns while he still has this mythological hype about him. i don't get it at all at this point. I love his passion but he is very overrated in my opinion. He's not offensive, he's not defensive as portrayed/advertised and takes meaningless penalties at terrible times. The other two just move them already. I could type three pages right now. So frustrating for STH's.

completely agree. I think burns can be a good top 4 d on a championship level team for defence but for instance in overtime can’t put him on he is horrible offensively. I’d rather have on Pieniniemi, McGowan 100x over him- arguably Williamson too for that as he has mote offensive prowess.

It’s surprising for me that burns has 9 assists. I haven’t counted how many are secondary but I’ve hardly noticed him in the offensive end.

Miedema it’s a contract year he has to do well otherwise he’s not getting that contract- where was this the last 2 years? He would have a great week and then suck for a month.

If they’re doing a light sell I’d rather Buttar play in the top 9 consistently so he can develop for the inevitable shit show next year when we lose half the team and he won’t play those minutes consistently with Guindon, Hopkins and McNamara all ahead of him. Plus he probably plays again in the O next year and they could get more for a 2 year player rather than a 1- just makes sense to trade him now. Could be a top 6 player on a decent team. Potentially a top line player on Peterborough.

 

[beastintheeast]

Burns, Miedema for sure maybe McNamara as well.

No point in trading Guindon imo as they just picked him up and he loves it here and has been a big part of our team. Don’t think we would get as much as we paid back for him so no point in doing that trade

If the return was good would Pie be on the market do you think

 

[frontsfan67]

If the return was good would Pie be on the market do you think

I doubt it.

Dubas sent him here for the year to develop because he trusts Mann.

Part of the agreement with him getting sent to the OHL likely involves him staying here for the year

 

[PuckLucker]

Had really hoped they would be a contender this year but pointless wasted trades last year and failure to pull the trigger this year seems to have put us in a bad spot. There is no way this team contends next year either, even with a sell. We have ten19-year-olds including both Euros. This was supposed to be the year.

As for a sale, I couldn't agree more with you on those three to start and we don't often agree on here. Lol. Move Burns while he still has this mythological hype about him. i don't get it at all at this point. I love his passion but he is very overrated in my opinion. He's not offensive, he's not defensive as portrayed/advertised and takes meaningless penalties at terrible times. The other two just move them already. I could type three pages right now. So frustrating for STH's.

Somehow the season ticket holders and Fronts experts on this board all point the fingers at the players on this team as to what they do wrong or why we aren't a contending team.

On paper the Fronts are a very good team, so why is it that we are currently a .500 team ???

When Luca Caputi was let go on October 24 of last year, a Saviour of a coach was hired who was going to turn this team around and use his wealth of AHL experience to propel this team and organization into a contender.

Well it's been 1 year and I still stand by the points I've listed on here countless times.
Troy Mann is not getting the job done.
Kory Kooper is not getting the job done.
The scouting staff is not getting the job done.

I've heard that Uncle Troy will not trade the 3rd player suggested even though he's not well liked and Saginaw needed to unload him to hoist the Memorial Cup.
This ownership group and head coach is an extension of minor hockey where favours still exist.

 

[frontsfan67]

Somehow the season ticket holders and Fronts experts on this board all point the fingers at the players on this team as to what they do wrong or why we aren't a contending team.

On paper the Fronts are a very good team, so why is it that we are currently a .500 team ???

When Luca Caputi was let go on October 24 of last year, a Saviour of a coach was hired who was going to turn this team around and use his wealth of AHL experience to propel this team and organization into a contender.

Well it's been 1 year and I still stand by the points I've listed on here countless times.
Troy Mann is not getting the job done.
Kory Kooper is not getting the job done.
The scouting staff is not getting the job done.

I've heard that Uncle Troy will not trade the 3rd player suggested even though he's not well liked and Saginaw needed to unload him to hoist the Memorial Cup.
This ownership group and head coach is an extension of minor hockey where favours still exist.

IMO it’s not a case of them being bad or us pointing fingers- If they had this team last year with this pick situation last year they may have made the finals had they utilized those picks. And any long time kingston fan would be pleased with that outcome championship or not- believe them and sarnia are the only 2 teams left in the OHL to not make it that far.

Unfortunately the east was wide open 1-6 last year no real big threats to London or Saginaw and obviously that wasn’t the case. This year is the strongest year in the east in a long time and with Kingston there isn’t much of a point in going all in this year just to lose the first round.

Think about it- 2 of Brantford, Brampton, Barrie, Oshawa, Kingston and Sudbury will lose in the first round. Kingston and Sudbury have picks sure but is it probably a smart choice to offload all those picks and screw the future just to go out in the first round? The way things are shaping up I can’t see them beating any of 3 B’s or Oshawa, Sudbury they could absolutely beat but they’re not gonna be a top 4 team. So Kingston and Sudbury will joust it out for 5th/6th place and the honours to face one of those 4 teams and go out in the first round.

I don’t know if it’s Troy’s fault as he just gets the players given to him- if anything I’d blame cooper. Let’s go through some of what’s happened since he became GM.

2021-2022 Wrights draft year- great offence not very great defence, wisdom came back and we had some assets to burn- didn’t burn any and we lost round 1.

2022-2023 Rebuilding year traded arcuri for a good package, traded wright for Miedema(hasn’t progressed much if any since acquiring him), McCarthy (didn’t report) only 1 2nd, 3rd- 2 4ths, a 5th and a 6th I believe was the package. REALLY messed that one up. Only 1 2nd and a 3rd for arguably the best or one of the best players in the league? Horrible move. Also failed Mem cup bid (but imo they never were going to get that with Saginaw having misa and Parekh and the best team by far out of the 4 bidders, American or not)

2023-2024 horrible trade with Sudbury, wasted lots of picks on Chromiak and that experiment didn’t work out at all. Traded lots for Roman Schmidt, he was great but didn’t work out for fronts as we lost round 1. Traded for Jax Dubois which (inadvertently) pushed Gabe Frasca out of the organization. Also didn’t trade Ludwinski at the deadline which would’ve brought in potentially a 16 year old or atleast a decent 17 year old and picks giving us a brighter future

2024-2025 drafted malholtra who didn’t report, got rid of talent (that didn’t want to be here but still) that could’ve been here for the next 2 years, and now we are caught like a deer in headlights- not good enough to go all in but if we don’t fans will be pissed off so this may force their hand to lose in round 1 even when the obvious thing to do right now is trade guys like burns, Miedema, McNamara and get the most value and push the run year to 2026-2027 when the OHL has the mem cup again because next year we are losing 10 players including our 2 star imports

 

[three dog night]

Good road test today

 

[frontsfan67]

Good road test today

Never easy in North Bay