Kings Rumor

[Mats26]

Jets fan here...jsut a quick comment. I see comments on the many Dubois threads that he gave up on the Jets. I dont think that is accurate. After the gong show at last year's draft and all the rumours etc, he played hard all season. He was on pace for almost 100 points until he was injured. Played thru the injury (maybe should not have).

He regularly quashed rumours of being unhappy etc and was consistent in saying he would not deal with his contract status until after the season. After the season he informed the team he was planning to go to free agency. A bit later it surfaced that he was no longer interested in signing in Winnipeg and would submit a list of teams he was interested in signing a long term deal with.

Sucks for us Jets fans but at least he expanded his wish list. It is not a Habs only discussion.

Small correction. He is not a UFA. His rights belong to the Jets (RFA). So at 24 he screwed 2 teams already that needed to trade him or sit him. It's like Mikey Anderson last year or Vilardi now telling Blake, sorry I want to sign elsewhere, trade me. Not doubting his skills, but seems like a selfish player to me and I rather he goes to MTL.

 

[kings11]

Why is this PLD discussion still ongoing??
You’d have to be a f***en idiot to trade for that cancer when the reality is the Kings need the depth provided by those you’d need to trade and you’d likely have money left to sign a big 4C like Bjugstad..
Salary cap is only an issue is one of Arvy or AI aren’t moved, plus next season Kopi is likely getting extended for much less we can hope and you’ll likely see some Dmen get get moved.. looking at Roy and Durzi..

 

[johnjm22]

I hate making trade proposals. You always end up looking like a fool. You don't intimately know the other team's needs so your offer looks dumb from their fans perspective. Also both sides tend over value their own assets. And there's always another poster ready to clown on you for your stupid proposal.

But here's my attempt anyways:

Winnipeg doesn't want just futures, they want a player that will help them right now. My understanding is they need RD. Meanwhile moving Vilardi doesn't make sense for LA and they need cap space. Byfield has too much upside.

Roy (extended at 5x4.5M), Arvidsson, Iafallo, Kupari, 2nd
for
PLD (extended 8x7.5M), Dillon


Byfield-Kopitar-Kempe
Fiala-Danault-Kaliyev/Fagemo
Moore-PLD-Vilardi
Grundstrom-Lizotte-Big Asshole (who can actually play)
JAD

Anderson-Doughty
Gavrikov-Clarke
Dillon-Spence
Durzi
Bjornfot

6ft 5in Rando
Copely


I don't necessarily endorse this trade, but that's the only type of scenario I can see making both teams better simultaneously. Giving up Roy and ANOTHER draft pick hurts, but you have to give to get.

 

[DoktorJeep]

I can’t see the Jets moving PLD to the Kings for anyone other than Vilardi. Neither Byfield or Clarke project to be a top player next year, so that doesn’t fit a retooling team like Winnipeg. His age is very close to PLD and he’s going to make way less, while still projecting a higher upside than the other player.

I’m sure everyone paid more than $250K per year by the team would love to have PLD for next year. We’d hear nothing but Kopitar, Dubois, Danault being the new Kopitar, Richards, Stoll. If the salary works then Vilardi and, say, Kaliyev could be spun like Simmonds and Schenn.

The big problem for management is lack of cap space. But PLD is a much more proven goal scorer than Gabe. He’s like Danault in his first year with the Kings, but mostly every year.

A sign and trade for both players makes sense here, if Winnipeg retains like 20% of PLD and the Kings send some long term money the other way. I think Vilardi and Durzi going out the door works best from a roster construction purpose for both teams.

 

[johnjm22]

I can’t see the Jets moving PLD to the Kings for anyone other than Vilardi. Neither Byfield or Clarke project to be a top player next year, so that doesn’t fit a retooling team like Winnipeg. His age is very close to PLD and he’s going to make way less, while still projecting a higher upside than the other player.

I’m sure everyone paid more than $250K per year by the team would love to have PLD for next year. We’d hear nothing but Kopitar, Dubois, Danault being the new Kopitar, Richards, Stoll. If the salary works then Vilardi and, say, Kaliyev could be spun like Simmonds and Schenn.

The big problem for management is lack of cap space. But PLD is a much more proven goal scorer than Gabe. He’s like Danault in his first year with the Kings, but mostly every year.

A sign and trade for both players makes sense here, if Winnipeg retains like 20% of PLD and the Kings send some long term money the other way. I think Vilardi and Durzi going out the door works best from a roster construction purpose for both teams.

I can't see the Jets retaining on an ∼8 year contract.

By almost every metric Vilardi was better 5v5 than PLD last year. And Vilardi's cap hit is likely going to be half of PLD's.

Only way you move Gabe for PLD is if you think last year was a fluke for Vilardi, or you think he still has injury issues, OR Hellebuyck is coming back as part of a larger deal also.

 

[GameNight]

I can’t see the Jets moving PLD to the Kings for anyone other than Vilardi. Neither Byfield or Clarke project to be a top player next year, so that doesn’t fit a retooling team like Winnipeg. His age is very close to PLD and he’s going to make way less, while still projecting a higher upside than the other player.

I’m sure everyone paid more than $250K per year by the team would love to have PLD for next year. We’d hear nothing but Kopitar, Dubois, Danault being the new Kopitar, Richards, Stoll. If the salary works then Vilardi and, say, Kaliyev could be spun like Simmonds and Schenn.

The big problem for management is lack of cap space. But PLD is a much more proven goal scorer than Gabe. He’s like Danault in his first year with the Kings, but mostly every year.

A sign and trade for both players makes sense here, if Winnipeg retains like 20% of PLD and the Kings send some long term money the other way. I think Vilardi and Durzi going out the door works best from a roster construction purpose for both teams.

This will end up being just like having no one to shoot left to play LD. Only this time, it will be no one to shoot right to play RW. There will be no cap left after signing PLD long term and Kopitar re-signing.

Whatever direction it goes, we can both laugh at BLuc.

These guys are close to being out of moves, just painting themselves into a corner with each signing and trade.

 

[Surf Nutz]

I hate making trade proposals. You always end up looking like a fool. You don't intimately know the other team's needs so your offer looks dumb from their fans perspective. Also both sides tend over value their own assets. And there's always another poster ready to clown on you for your stupid proposal.

But here's my attempt anyways:

Winnipeg doesn't want just futures, they want a player that will help them right now. My understanding is they need RD. Meanwhile moving Vilardi doesn't make sense for LA and they need cap space. Byfield has too much upside.

Roy (extended at 5x4.5M), Arvidsson, Iafallo, Kupari, 2nd
for
PLD (extended 8x7.5M), Dillon


Byfield-Kopitar-Kempe
Fiala-Danault-Kaliyev/Fagemo
Moore-PLD-Vilardi
Grundstrom-Lizotte-Big Asshole (who can actually play)
JAD

Anderson-Doughty
Gavrikov-Clarke
Dillon-Spence
Durzi
Bjornfot

6ft 5in Rando
Copely


I don't necessarily endorse this trade, but that's the only type of scenario I can see making both teams better simultaneously. Giving up Roy and ANOTHER draft pick hurts, but you have to give to get.

Gav was just signed to pair with Roy as combined they are potential 1st pair and mentors to young D.
Roy could be extended for 4.6 by the Kings next summer.

Iafallo sides into the 2nd line as it remains a shut down line that can chip in.
That is what Danault was acquired for.
Putting Fiala, Fagemo or Kaliyev on there and its no longer a shut down line.
Moore stays up on L2, where he has chemistry and knows how to shut down and chip in.

Clarke starts in the AHL he comes up only if he outperforms and is solid on D.
Kupari earned a role on PP, can center L4 and bump up further if injuries happen.
He looks ripe for a breakout.out,
Grundy and Lizo need to be traded for cap space, replaced by bigger/cheaper players.
Guys like Big A, Big Rando and Dillon can be acquired at the deadline if not, summer.

So this ends up just being a mess and I didn't even mention the evidence against PLDickwad.

I can’t see the Jets moving PLD to the Kings for anyone other than Vilardi. Neither Byfield or Clarke project to be a top player next year, so that doesn’t fit a retooling team like Winnipeg. His age is very close to PLD and he’s going to make way less, while still projecting a higher upside than the other player.

I’m sure everyone paid more than $250K per year by the team would love to have PLD for next year. We’d hear nothing but Kopitar, Dubois, Danault being the new Kopitar, Richards, Stoll. If the salary works then Vilardi and, say, Kaliyev could be spun like Simmonds and Schenn.

The big problem for management is lack of cap space. But PLD is a much more proven goal scorer than Gabe. He’s like Danault in his first year with the Kings, but mostly every year.

A sign and trade for both players makes sense here, if Winnipeg retains like 20% of PLD and the Kings send some long term money the other way. I think Vilardi and Durzi going out the door works best from a roster construction purpose for both teams.

a potential 3C is Vilardi as long as his wings are fast and told to help him on the back check.
Hate to see it on another team .

 

[Surf Nutz]

I can't see the Jets retaining on an ∼8 year contract.

By almost every metric Vilardi was better 5v5 than PLD last year. And Vilardi's cap hit is likely going to be half of PLD's.

Only way you move Gabe for PLD is if you think last year was a fluke for Vilardi, or you think he still has injury issues, OR Hellebuyck is coming back as part of a larger deal also.

Vialrdi is going to arbitration as Blake indicated we need to see more games per season from him as a point of contention.'
He will get less than half of PLD's salary.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

No way Jets trade PLD without getting 1 of QB, Vilardi or Clarke.
PLD does not seem like the best of character types and I would just sign Vilardi and
sign Korpisalo or one of the other goalies out there.

Even if Blake does a PLD trade, imagine it would come with a signed, long term deal.
Not many 24 year olds that are 6'4" 220 that have 4 20+ goal seasons, and 3, 60+ point seasons.
I like the idea of getting Dillon back, to play 3rd paring, LHD, but he has 1 more yr at 3.9.
I don't think the cap can work, even with salary going back.

I'm all for moving Durzi this Summer and 1 of: Iafallo, Arvidsson, Moore, in a hockey deal or 2.
Moving out cap and getting a legit 3C and size / toughness,..with enough cap to sign Gabe and a goalie.

There is no blueprint to win a cup. There just isn't. And it's hard to build a dynassty, in the cap world.
Who knows exaclty how much the cap really goes up.

Vegas has the worst system and only has Hague from their 6 drafts!
Only a few decent prospects: Brisson...Korczak.

look at their drafts. Dreadful.

Vegas Golden Knights Draft History at hockeydb.com

They have no problem, sending out Suzuki, Krebs, Bransstrom, and every #1 pick like candy.
And even hit bad luck with Pacioretty injury...and now Stones' back. Lehner was kind of a dumpster fire. And yet they won the cup and will compete next year.

I'm not advocating trading the #1 every year. Whoever the Kings would have picked with the #1 Fiala pick, would probably end up being no better than Kupari (with their first round draft success) and that player would be 2-3 years away and even the #23 OA this year would probably be 2 years away. And Gavrikov solidifies the back end and gives the Kings the best top 4 they've had in a decade. He makes Roy and the team better, every time he's on the ice. I know getting Gavrikov was more complex and involves losing a #2 and Grans, but that's more about payment for dumping Cal and Walker.

PLD doesn't make sense and I would rather bet long on Vilardi and QB and keep them...knowing they are both trending up. If he were more of a character guy and had 3, 30+ goal seasons, then yeah.

If they do a PLD deal, he should be signed and get back another asset or 2...like their 3rd rd, #82 slot. That would give the scouts another shot in the top 82. Or a prospect like Lambert or Kuzmin LHD, Zhilkin. C / W and played with Pinelli (and Kuzmin or Zhilkin gives someone Russian for Gavrikov to speak Russian with...lol) Don't think the Jets would deal Lambert or McGroarty, tho.

 

[johnjm22]

Jets are probably looking for a PLD equivalent player; a youngish established guy with potential term.

That's exactly what they did with Liane. They swapped him for an equivalent player who needed a change of scenery.

But if they can't find that, and they don't want futures as the primary return, I think they have to do a quantity-for-quality type deal like the one I proposed.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Jets are probably looking for a PLD equivalent player; a youngish established guy with potential term.

That's exactly what they did with Liane. They swapped him for an equivalent player who needed a change of scenery.

But if they can't find that, and they don't want futures as the primary return, I think they have to do a quantity-for-quality type deal like the one I proposed.

Well, to be fair, and obviously I'm not advocating for it at all, but that's why Byfield 'makes sense' (minus age/contract status now)--he fits into that "lottery pick big guy enigma" that's rare yet Laine, PLD, and Byfield all sort of currently fit into.

 

[johnjm22]

Well, to be fair, and obviously I'm not advocating for it at all, but that's why Byfield 'makes sense' (minus age/contract status now)--he fits into that "lottery pick big guy enigma" that's rare yet Laine, PLD, and Byfield all sort of currently fit into.

When Laine and PLD were traded they were already established players who had productive seasons.

QB doesn't fit into that category.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

Trading for PLD doesn’t make any sense unless you’re setting up the future PLD/Byfield combo for the next decade at Center. Even then, there’s a total logjam at Center now. Kopitar, Danault. Byfield, Turcotte.

I’m curious to see what goes the other way if they are indeed all in on PLD.

 

[bmr]

I can’t see the Jets moving PLD to the Kings for anyone other than Vilardi. Neither Byfield or Clarke project to be a top player next year, so that doesn’t fit a retooling team like Winnipeg. His age is very close to PLD and he’s going to make way less, while still projecting a higher upside than the other player.

I’m sure everyone paid more than $250K per year by the team would love to have PLD for next year. We’d hear nothing but Kopitar, Dubois, Danault being the new Kopitar, Richards, Stoll. If the salary works then Vilardi and, say, Kaliyev could be spun like Simmonds and Schenn.

The big problem for management is lack of cap space. But PLD is a much more proven goal scorer than Gabe. He’s like Danault in his first year with the Kings, but mostly every year.

A sign and trade for both players makes sense here, if Winnipeg retains like 20% of PLD and the Kings send some long term money the other way. I think Vilardi and Durzi going out the door works best from a roster construction purpose for both teams.

How is he a much more proven goal scorer than Gabe? Maybe over a few more seasons, but he has not surpassed 28 goals in a season and Gabe had 23 goals last year in only 63 games. If you extrapolate for the whole season, he could easily be 30+. He's also younger.

I would absolutely be against including Vilardi in a trade for PLD. It's a sideways move that will cost us additional flexibility in the cap. Only way I could potentially see it working is if the Kings include Arvidsson, Moore or Iafallo, and Durzi.

 

[Schrute farms]

Trading for PLD doesn’t make any sense unless you’re setting up the future PLD/Byfield combo for the next decade at Center. Even then, there’s a total logjam at Center now. Kopitar, Danault. Byfield, Turcotte.

I’m curious to see what goes the other way if they are indeed all in on PLD.

Yeah, you'd think that if Blake were to make a big trade and sending valuable items out, it would be for a goalie (e.g., Saros).

 

[Lt Dan]

How is he a much more proven goal scorer than Gabe? Maybe over a few more seasons, but he has not surpassed 28 goals in a season and Gabe had 23 goals last year in only 63 games. If you extrapolate for the whole season, he could easily be 30+. He's also younger.

Gabe also has a way better goal face and one can't put a price on that

 

[Stimpythecat]

I don't want the Kings to have anything to do with PLD.

 

[Kurrilino]

Jets are probably looking for a PLD equivalent player; a youngish established guy with potential term.

That's exactly what they did with Liane. They swapped him for an equivalent player who needed a change of scenery.

But if they can't find that, and they don't want futures as the primary return, I think they have to do a quantity-for-quality type deal like the one I proposed.

People telling me Kopitar is excellent.
This is a trade i would love to see

 

[AbsentMojo]

 

[AbsentMojo]

Kings need a 3C not 2C.. if you want to dance w WPG go for Lowry - he's the perfect 3C for the Kings - had 4 goals in 5 games in playoffs...the kind of body you need in the playoffs. Go from 5'5" to 6'5" at 3C.

 

[Mats26]

Kings need a 3C not 2C.. if you want to dance w WPG go for Lowry - he's the perfect 3C for the Kings - had 4 goals in 5 games in playoffs...the kind of body you need in the playoffs. Go from 5'5" to 6'5" at 3C.

Agreed, next player to be traded is Lizotte. Lowry would be the perfect fit and won't cost as much.

 

[AbsentMojo]

Agreed, next player to be traded is Lizotte. Lowry would be the perfect fit and won't cost as much.

Just checking capfriendly.. signed for 3 more seasons at 3.25m per. Has an m-ntc. This would instantly make the team better more so than the differential of losing Vilardi and gaining PLD..

 

[KingsHockey24]

I'd rather move out Byfield than Vilardi tbh.

Only problem is the $$$.

 

[AbsentMojo]

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If this damn deal goes down, the only thing that would make it logical is if the Kings have factored Vilardi's future health status - not that I think the medical staff is capable of that... but theoretically speaking. There's no Rhéaume or reason this deal should happen other than it will make a nice addition to the quebecois community Luc is building in LA.

 

[rajuabju]

Really not happy about potentially moving Vilardi for PLD.

Would MUCH rather it be Iaffalo+Turcotte + one of Bjornfoot/Kupari/Kaliyev/JAD

Only way Vilardi+Iaffalo makes sense is if PLD is coming back with a long-term, team-friendly caphit