KHL Rosters this season. 3 nations went down and 2 nations went up.

[Czechboy]

This hasn't been mentioned much. And this is NOT an opportunity to discuss past wars and show us all your degrees in European and World history.

Here is last season:

Key numbers: Czechs had 20, Finn's had 47 and Swedes had 38 players

Here is this season:

Key numbers: Czechs went from 20 to 4 (and those 4 are temporarily banned from NT), Finn's went from 47 to 1 (that player is also banned) and Swedes went from 38 to 6 (and those guys are banned too).

Collectively... Czechs, Finn's and Swedes went from 105 players to 11 and banned those 11.



At the same time: Slovaks went from 9 to 8 and did not ban any players.

Canada went UP - 42 to 47
US went UP - 11 to 13

Collectively, US and Canada went from 53 players to 60.

None of those players are banned from any national teams this season.

Latvians went from 27 to 2.
No Danes, Estonians or Lithuanians (maybe they aged out?)


Michal Handzus resigned from his position in Slovakia in protest to them not banning their NT guys. Their sponsor and ministry were also quite upset about the decision.

I think it shows a big difference in menality between the North American and Euro nations regarding Ukraine. A lot of Finns, Czechs and Swedes took a paycut to play in different leagues this season. I'm disappointed that North American participation increased in the KHL while Euro participation declined significantly.

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[Czechboy]

Also an interesting anamoly...

Nikita Scerbak (Russia) is playing in the Extraliga (Czech)... and averaging a .ppg.

Curious how that happened since Czechs aren't giving Visa's to Russians since February.

 

[Caser]

Are the previous season's number from the season's start too or closer/after the trade and signing deadline?

 

[Belloco]

The war factor accelerated a process that was already underway.

The level of the European championships is equalized. There is not much interest for the Swedes, Finns, Czechs, Germans, Swiss to play in KHL.

There is another Russian factor but it is the one that is never mentioned : the vastness of the country. It's much nicer to go and play in Switzerland for the same salary.

For North Americans, KHL is the league closest in level to the NHL system. So the best way to show that a 2nd chance is deserved.

Some statistics are skewed. For example the Latvian number has collapsed since the Latvian team withdrew.

 

[Czechboy]

Are the previous season's number from the season's start too or closer/after the trade and signing deadline?

Not sure to be honest. If you have more accurate numbers then I'm happy to change it! My focus was on the Swedes/Finns/Czechs vs North Americans and I feel those numbers are close to reality.

 

[Czechboy]

The war factor accelerated a process that was already underway.

The level of the European championships is equalized. There is not much interest for the Swedes, Finns, Czechs, Germans, Swiss to play in KHL.

There is another Russian factor but it is the one that is never mentioned : the vastness of the country. It's much nicer to go and play in Switzerland for the same salary.

For North Americans, KHL is the league closest in level to the NHL system. So the best way to show that a 2nd chance is deserved.

Some statistics are skewed. For example the Latvian number has collapsed since the Latvian team withdrew.

Why did the Latvian team withdraw? Or the Finnish one?

 

[Zine]

But this should be expected, no?

Unlike FIN, SWE, CZE, SVK, etc., the typical American/Canadian player isn't directly affected by this conflict. They have no personal stake in the situation, nor are their federations applying pressure on them.

For the same reasons I suspect very few Finns, Swedes, Czechs would boycott the KHL if Russia was committing atrocities in, say, Nigeria. It wouldn't affect them.

The #1 human motivating factor is self-interest.

 

[Czechboy]

For North Americans, KHL is the league closest in level to the NHL system. So the best way to show that a 2nd chance is deserved.

It's the same for Finn's, Swedes and Czechs who are on the cusp of NHL and looking for a chance too.... also, most likely the second best salary outside of NHL.

 

[Czechboy]

But this should be expected, no?

Unlike FIN, SWE, CZE, SVK, etc., the typical American/Canadian isn't directly affected by this conflict. As such, their federations aren't applying pressure on them.

Likewise, I suspect very few Finns, Swedes, Czechs would boycott the KHL if Russia was committing atrocities in, say, Nigeria. Doesn't affect them.

The #1 human motivating factor is self-interest.

Which is my point. I agree. And leave Nigeria alone

 

[Caser]

Not sure to be honest. If you have more accurate numbers then I'm happy to change it! My focus was on the Swedes/Finns/Czechs vs North Americans and I feel those numbers are close to reality.

I just mean that a notable amount of foreign players were (and might still be) signing during the season and not at the season's start (most notable example are guys who fail the NHL try-outs), so it is not so easy to make conclusions when comparing numbers from different points of the season - for example if looking purely by these stats, the number of NA guys is more or less the same, which likely isn't exactly correct, as for obvious reasons it has increased (or at least it feels like that).

Btw, how are the dual nationality guys counted here? Just by the primary one or both?

 

[Czechboy]

I just mean that a notable amount of foreign players were (and might still be) signing during the season and not at the season's start (most notable example are guys who fail the NHL try-outs), so it is not so easy to make conclusions when comparing numbers from different points of the season - for example if looking purely by these stats, the number of NA guys is more or less the same, which likely isn't exactly correct, as for obvious reasons it has increased (or at least it feels like that).

Btw, how are the dual nationality guys counted here? Just by the primary one or both?

So north americans stayed the same or went up (despite 2 less teams)

Finns, Swedes and Czechs went down by about 80%

It's telling. Again, if you don't like these numbers, tell me the numbers. Are their numbers that suggest the Finns/Swedes/Czechs are about the same or have increased?

What numbers would you like me to use? How do you feel they will change those 2 facts?

 

[Caser]

So north americans stayed the same or went up (despite 2 less teams)

Finns, Swedes and Czechs went down by about 80%

It's telling. Again, if you don't like these numbers, tell me the numbers. Are their numbers that suggest the Finns/Swedes/Czechs are about the same or have increased?

What numbers would you like me to use? How do you feel they will change those 2 facts?

Yes, that type of conclusions is something that we can make, just those could be made without much stats at all just by looking at the news. Unfortunately I don't have numbers for the start of the previous season, but I will try to search, maybe there's still some article on the internets.

 

[Czechboy]

Yes, that type of conclusions is something that we can make, just those could be made without much stats at all just by looking at the news. Unfortunately I don't have numbers for the start of the previous season, but I will try to search, maybe there's still some article on the internets.

Happy to update the numbers after NHL training camps are over

However, I will eat my hat if the number of Czechs, Finn's and Swedes in the KHL increase significantly.

Wouldn't be surprised to see a few more North American and, obviously, cut Russian players making the journey. I actually think the numbers will look worse after training camp.

 

[Eye of Ra]

I like your threads czechboy!

I gotta say, none of the 6 swedes in KHL is needed anyways for our NT. We have many others. As we all know, Team Sweden wont accept KHLers.

 

[Czechboy]

I like your threads czechboy!

I gotta say, none of the 6 swedes in KHL is needed anyways for our NT. We have many others. As we all know, Team Sweden wont accept KHLers.

I like our 4 Czechs in the KHL.lol

Jordan is now a journeyman type leader and was on the Bronze team
Sulak is probably done with NT but he's entertaining (in both ends.haha) and one of our better skaters
Cerveny is a riser who may have helped bottom 6
Jaskin is a great player for us and one of the only Euro guys (short list) that I don't complain about when he makes the World's... him and the Zohorna's was a great line a few seasons ago

 

[Caser]

Happy to update the numbers after NHL training camps are over

However, I will eat my hat if the number of Czechs, Finn's and Swedes in the KHL increase significantly.

Wouldn't be surprised to see a few more North American and, obviously, cut Russian players making the journey. I actually think the numbers will look worse after training camp.

I tried to get some numbers and in the end I had to just go through eliteprospects one by one. So here's what I managed to count in terms of foreigners a year ago in the KHL (excluding Jokerit and Dinamo Riga):

Canada: 28
Czechia: 15
Denmark: 1
Estonia: 1
Finland: 18
France: 1
Germany: 2
Latvia: 3
Slovakia: 7
Sweden: 33
USA: 11

Just in case, only primary nationalities are counted here (so the players from USA, Canada or Sweden, but who are representing Belarus, Kazakhstan or China are excluded).

 

[Czechboy]

excluding Jokerit and Dinamo Riga

Why exclude 60 players that were in the league?

 

[Czechboy]

I tried to get some numbers and in the end I had to just go through eliteprospects one by one. So here's what I managed to count in terms of foreigners a year ago in the KHL (excluding Jokerit and Dinamo Riga):

Canada: 28
Czechia: 15
Denmark: 1
Estonia: 1
Finland: 18
France: 1
Germany: 2
Latvia: 3
Slovakia: 7
Sweden: 33
USA: 11

Just in case, only primary nationalities are counted here (so the players from USA, Canada or Sweden, but who are representing Belarus, Kazakhstan or China are excluded).

Eg. Using Czechs

Here are 20 of them

Now there are 4.

I'm not sure what you are arguing? Please help me understand

Here are the Finn's

Today there is 1 Finn (Pulkinen)

 

[Caser]

Why exclude 60 players that were in the league?

Eg. Using Czechs

Here are 20 of them

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Now there are 4.

I'm not sure what you are arguing? Please help me understand

Here are the Finn's

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Today there is 1 Finn (Pulkinen)

I'm arguing that to correctly and more or less precisely evaluate the change of foreigner landscape it would be correct to compare today's situation to September, 2021 and to compare with the same 22 teams that there are now, particularly because Finnish and Latvian players on the Jokerit and Riga teams respectively weren't actually considered as foreigners.

 

[Albatros]

Also an interesting anamoly...

Nikita Scerbak (Russia) is playing in the Extraliga (Czech)... and averaging a .ppg.

Curious how that happened since Czechs aren't giving Visa's to Russians since February.

He moved in January so the new policy didn't affect him.

 

[Czechboy]

He moved in January so the new policy didn't affect him.

When does the poor guys Visa expire?lol Is he going back in January if Czechs don't change policy? What an anamoly.

 

[Albatros]

When does the poor guys Visa expire?lol Is he going back in January if Czechs don't change policy? What an anamoly.

Extensions of existing residence permits haven't been affected so he should be able to remain.

 

[Jukurit]

I'm just happy that Teemu Pulkkinen isn't even good enough to play for Finland's NT anyway, so I don't have worry about NT banning him or anything.

 

[MichaelFarrell]

North Americans seems to not care about boycotting Russia. I made a post about it that got locked a few weeks ago. Not many posters were convinced that it was unethical.


Here’s the thread if you are interested:

Do you believe that Canadian and American players should’ve refrained from signing in the KHL this year?

With the Russian government now having killed tens of thousands of Ukrainians, is it immoral for players to have signed in the KHL? As of now, there is only one Finnish player in the KHL (42 last year) and Jokerit is no longer part of the league. Last year there were 39 Swedes in the league but...

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[Dala]

North Americans seems to not care about boycotting Russia. I made a post about it that got locked a few weeks ago. Not many posters were convinced that it was unethical.


Here’s the thread if you are interested:

Do you believe that Canadian and American players should’ve refrained from signing in the KHL this year?

With the Russian government now having killed tens of thousands of Ukrainians, is it immoral for players to have signed in the KHL? As of now, there is only one Finnish player in the KHL (42 last year) and Jokerit is no longer part of the league. Last year there were 39 Swedes in the league but...

forums.hfboards.com

North Americans won't care until Russia invades Alaska. Russian army will come swimming due to lack of material, will be spotted by an old lady from her front porch already when they are putting their swim clothes on at the Russian beaches.