KHL Expansion part II

[Medo]

I think one team is more than enough theres only 3 more spots open if we assume no teams will be thrown out. So KHL will have to pick carefully now.

I have a feeling that one of those spots will be Red Bull Salzburg/Munich. They are already in MHL from this season.

 

[vorky]

I agree with you about Kärpät, they had their chance back in 2008 and I'm personally glad they didn't take it.

However, I highly doubt that the KHL would want or need two teams from Helsinki if and when they keep expanding more and more towards Western Europe.

Maybe one more Finnish team in the future, Tappara maybe? They've got a rich owner and Tampere has relatively big population + new arena is being planned?

who is he? I wrote it earlier and repeat it, I see 2 conditions for new clubs:
1) big city/population
2) big arena/planning

Money is not a problem as we can see in Jokerit´s case.

 

[SCBdude]

I have a feeling that one of those spots will be Red Bull Salzburg/Munich. They are already in MHL from this season.

I agree. One of them will probably join KHL. Depending on which red bull team joins the other new KHL teams will be different. I think there are 2 scenarios:

Red Bull SALZBURG would be joined by:
Swedish team
German team


Red Bull MUNICH would be joined by:
Swedish team
Swiss team

because I don't think KHL needs more than one german team.
From looking at the different scenarios I think you can tell that I really hope it's going to be Salzburg.

 

[BalticWarrior]

I agree. One of them will probably join KHL. Depending on which red bull tesm joins the other newcKHL teams will be different. I think there are 2 scenarios:

Red Bull SALZBURG would be joined by:
Swedish team
German team


Red Bull MUNICH would be joined by:
Swedish team
Swiss team

because I don't think KHL could needs more than one german team.
From looking at the different scenarios I think you can tell that I really hope it's going to be Salzburg.

I hope teams like novokouznetsk,neftekhimik,avtomobilist,vitjaz get thrown out,they are the ones that give KHL a bad name.

 

[Eidyia]

who is he? I wrote it earlier and repeat it, I see 2 conditions for new clubs:
1) big city/population
2) big arena/planning

Money is not a problem as we can see in Jokerit´s case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poju_Zabludowicz

Seems like he owns 1/5 of the club. Though I think he hasn't been a big spender even in FEL-standards, so I'd think he hasn't got any aspirations towards the KHL.

And in any case, I agree with BalticWarrior. Unless KHL is planning to have ridicoulus amount of teams in the future, there wont another Finnish club joining.

 

[Finnpin]

KHL is also going to learn from Jokerit:

http://en.khl.ru/news/2013/6/28/25174.html

"We can also get an insider’s grasp of the Jokerit business model and spread these practices to Russian clubs, who are still lagging behind in terms of sport club management".

http://en.khl.ru/news/2013/6/28/25173.html

"The experience we will gain of running the arena can be of benefit to KHL clubs who can adopt Jokerit’s modern management structure.â€

 

[BalticWarrior]

KHL is also going to learn from Jokerit:

http://en.khl.ru/news/2013/6/28/25174.html

"We can also get an insider’s grasp of the Jokerit business model and spread these practices to Russian clubs, who are still lagging behind in terms of sport club management".

http://en.khl.ru/news/2013/6/28/25173.html

"The experience we will gain of running the arena can be of benefit to KHL clubs who can adopt Jokerit’s modern management structure.â€

Cool very positive news.

 

[Peter25]

I hope teams like novokouznetsk,neftekhimik,avtomobilist,vitjaz get thrown out,they are the ones that give KHL a bad name.

I certainly do not!

Avtomobilist has produced such players as Sergei Shepelev, Ilya Byakin, Vladimir Malakhov, Alexei Yashin and Pavel Datsyuk. It must be kept in the league. Yekaterinburg is a city of more than million people and should be capable of hosting a KHL team.

Nizhnekamsk and Novokuznetsk both have good junior programs and should also stay.

 

[BalticWarrior]

I certainly do not!

Avtomobilist has produced such players as Sergei Shepelev, Ilya Byakin, Vladimir Malakhov, Alexei Yashin and Pavel Datsyuk. It must be kept in the league. Yekaterinburg is a city of more than million people and should be capable of hosting a KHL team.

Nizhnekamsk and Novokuznetsk both have good junior programs and should also stay.

Nope drop the to VHL and they will be producing the same amount of players.Hell this argument works against you if the only redeeming quality about those teams is producing players THEY must play in VHL which is a devlopmental league.

 

[Peter25]

Nope drop the to VHL and they will be producing the same amount of players.Hell this argument works against you if the only redeeming quality about those teams is producing players THEY must play in VHL which is a devlopmental league.

Well, I am more of a fan of Russian hockey than a fan of the KHL.

If the KHL starts dropping traditional Russian teams just to make the league "less Russian" it will lose my interest and support.

Teams such as Avtomobilist and even Novokuznetsk are not some basket case teams that cannot function financially. They do not have big budgets but they still have bigger budgets than most of the best teams in other European leagues.

Dropping these teams to the VHL would kill the interest in hockey in these cities which would be a loss to Russian hockey.

Since the money to run the KHL comes from Russia the league's primary interest (in my opinion) should be to make Russian hockey better and stronger. Kicking out functioning Russian teams out of the KHL and replacing them with Italian or German teams do nothing but harm for Russian hockey.

 

[BalticWarrior]

Well, I am more of a fan of Russian hockey than a fan of the KHL.

If the KHL starts dropping traditional Russian teams just to make the league "less Russian" it will lose my interest and support.

Teams such as Avtomobilist and even Novokuznetsk are not some basket case teams that cannot function financially. They do not have big budgets but they still have bigger budgets than most of the best teams in other European leagues.

Dropping these teams to the VHL would kill the interest in hockey in these cities which would be a loss to Russian hockey.

Since the money to run the KHL comes from Russia the league's primary interest (in my opinion) should be to make Russian hockey better and stronger. Kicking out functioning Russian teams out of the KHL and replacing them with Italian or German teams do nothing but harm for Russian hockey.

Look,cities like Niznekamsk and Novokuznetsk are not the ideal destinations for ANY hockey player,also i dont agree the interest would be lost.

Yeah,right did you forget how Novokuznetsk almost went bancrupt last season as did Avtomobilist?

League needs to become more and more european and the fact that it does,is positive no matter what you think.

 

[Hockeyfrilla]

8 KHL teams is planned to play in ET

 

[BalticWarrior]

8 KHL teams is planned to play in ET

Bwah,what an unnecessery tourney.

 

[Peter25]

Look,cities like Niznekamsk and Novokuznetsk are not the ideal destinations for ANY hockey player,also i dont agree the interest would be lost.

Who says that?

Kurtis McLean and Marko Anttila choose to play in Novokuznetsk next season picking it over Sweden and Finland. How come?

Novokuznetsk is not a paradise on earth but it can still ice a good hockey team and it has solid junior program which is a big plus in my books.

Yeah,right did you forget how Novokuznetsk almost went bancrupt last season as did Avtomobilist?

Well, they survived.

League needs to become more and more european and the fact that it does,is positive no matter what you think.

Hopefully this won't happen with Russian money then.

 

[BalticWarrior]

Look Peter,i`ll be honest i dont give 2 ***** about Russian hockey development,but i do care for KHL. I want good entertaining hockey,quality marketing,big arenas,nice cities etc.
KHL is trying to be a commercial league and theres nothin` wrong with that.

 

[vorky]

I agree. One of them will probably join KHL. Depending on which red bull team joins the other new KHL teams will be different. I think there are 2 scenarios:

Red Bull SALZBURG would be joined by:
Swedish team
German team


Red Bull MUNICH would be joined by:
Swedish team
Swiss team

because I don't think KHL needs more than one german team.
From looking at the different scenarios I think you can tell that I really hope it's going to be Salzburg.

Helvetics project? Any news? I heard about referendum on arena?

I hope teams like novokouznetsk,neftekhimik,avtomobilist,vitjaz get thrown out,they are the ones that give KHL a bad name.

Avto not - the city will be developed within a few yrs because of FIFA World Cup...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poju_Zabludowicz

Seems like he owns 1/5 of the club. Though I think he hasn't been a big spender even in FEL-standards, so I'd think he hasn't got any aspirations towards the KHL.

And in any case, I agree with BalticWarrior. Unless KHL is planning to have ridicoulus amount of teams in the future, there wont another Finnish club joining.

thx. KHL can reduce number of russian clubs,now 21, who knows? KHL will have maximum of 32 teams, I am sure.

KHL is also going to learn from Jokerit:

http://en.khl.ru/news/2013/6/28/25174.html

"We can also get an insider’s grasp of the Jokerit business model and spread these practices to Russian clubs, who are still lagging behind in terms of sport club management".

http://en.khl.ru/news/2013/6/28/25173.html

"The experience we will gain of running the arena can be of benefit to KHL clubs who can adopt Jokerit’s modern management structure.”

I dont know how in Finland, but SKA is far best club in marketing in KHL. That is good if they want to share experiance within RUS-FIN borders, good for Finns/Russians. Try to google what Rotenberg did with SKA´s marketing within last 2 yrs. SKA´s marketing is on NHL/euro soccer leagues level. Hartwall arena will have a rival in future (Garden arena??) if I understand, so the russian owner need to promote Hartwall, to be better than new arena. Dont know who is owner of Garden, but Rotenber/Timchenko tandem is strong (money).... believe me. Maybe it was said, they want to aquire more arenas across Europe...

 

[BalticWarrior]

Who says that?

Kurtis McLean and Marko Anttila choose to play in Novokuznetsk next season picking it over Sweden and Switzerland. How come?

Novokuznetsk is not a paradise on earth but it can still ice a good hockey team and it has solid junior program which is a big plus in my books.



Well, they survived.


Hopefully this won't happen with Russian money then.

They barely survived,but it wont be like that forever,you can hope and pray or whatever i dont care,its obvious what KHL is doing and its not what you want it to do.

 

[Peter25]

They barely survived,but it wont be like that forever,you can hope and pray or whatever i dont care,its obvious what KHL is doing and its not what you want it to do.

Things can improve and these teams should play in the KHL as long as they are financially capable. Kicking them out just to make the league "less Russian" would make me upset.

By the way there were news lately that Lada Togliatti could return to the league in 2014-2015 season. They have a new arena and supposedly they have the needed funding to play in the KHL. If true welcome back!

 

[BalticWarrior]

Gotta agree with vorky on SKA,no matter how i hate them,they do a very impressive job in marketing on par with NHL clubs,i`d say.

 

[Peter25]

Look Peter,i`ll be honest i dont give 2 ***** about Russian hockey development,but i do care for KHL. I want good entertaining hockey,quality marketing,big arenas,nice cities etc.
KHL is trying to be a commercial league and theres nothin` wrong with that.

Russian hockey development and the KHL are "married" with each other because the money to run the league comes from Russia.

Russia will ALWAYS be the "core" of the league. A situation where 50% of the teams are non-Russian is a pipe dream. It will not happen. In order to have a strong KHL we need strong Russian hockey.

 

[BalticWarrior]

Russian hockey development and the KHL are "married" with each other because the money to run the league comes from Russia.

Russia will ALWAYS be the "core" of the league. A situation where 50% of the teams are non-Russian is a pipe dream. It will not happen. In order to have a strong KHL we need strong Russian hockey.

Well see

 

[ficohok*]

8 KHL teams is planned to play in ET

Next season ? Can you give us source of this information?

 

[vorky]

Next season ? Can you give us source of this information?

Kummola said it, not official. 4 russian KHL teams and 4 non-russian KHL teams should join this weird ET project. We will see.

 

[Finnpin]

I dont know how in Finland, but SKA is far best club in marketing in KHL. ...

Sport club management is more than marketing but marketing is one of it and very important one. Jokerit is the best sports club here in Facebook/Twitter world and has been good in general marketing also but I'm sure they can get some ideas from SKA. But I guess there (KHL) is other teams (not the top ones) that might need some advice in sport club management department.

 

[vorky]

Sport club management is more than marketing but marketing is one of it and very important one. Jokerit is the best sports club here in Facebook/Twitter world and has been good in general marketing also but I'm sure they can get some ideas from SKA. But I guess there (KHL) is other teams (not the top ones) that might need some advice in sport club management department.

Thx and that is great. I admit that KHL, especially some clubs, need to make better PR/marketing or sport club management as you call it. If we want good euro league (NHL/soccer level), we need this management/marketing stuff. Russians dont know it historically, but they can learn from abroad. Thefore KHL needs german club (you know how Germans are in planning things etc) and other Euros.