KHL Attendance

[marquinhos]

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[BalticWarrior]

Attendence would be so much higher if alot of teams didnt have small crappy arenas.

 

[Den]

Big houses are going to be built in NN, Novosib and Astana.

 

[Den]

Attendence would be so much higher if alot of teams didnt have small crappy arenas.

It's also an issue of where they are. There might be no point of building big arenas in places like Cherepovets, Podolsk or Nizhnekamsk

 

[Alessandro Seren Rosso]

The whole discussion:
http://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/teilnahme/548346.html

Numbers are good, IMHO, especially the average % who is superior to any other Euro league. The Top-12 table looks good too, so the KHL is doing well. Yes, we need bigger arenas. Unfortunately also some of the new ones are really too small (Ufa, Chelyabinsk, Vladivostok, Nizhny)

 

[BalticWarrior]

Big houses are going to be built in NN and Novosib.

And Astana and Moscow and Donetksk too,i know im just saying situation right now is pretty bad.

 

[BalticWarrior]

It's also an issue of where they are. There might be no point of building big arenas in places like Cherepovets, Podolsk or Nizhnekamsk

Well yeah,they are going to be evicted out of the league sooner or later,but i was not talking about those teams.

 

[Den]

And Astana and Moscow and Donetksk too,i know im just saying situation right now is pretty bad.

1) Astana -12 000 under const.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1425994&page=3

2) Moscow: VTB 12500

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1110571

Legends Arena 12000, and a large CSKA comlex (15000-22000) to be built

3) Donetsk - Kalmius Arena 13000

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1590473&page=2


Although all of them they could have built 15000

 

[Hockeyfan31*]

Whats the deal with Admiral arena? It says 5500 capacity, but I read some sources that say it can be increased to 7500. So can it? Will they? What?

And what a surprise that most meaningless franchises have the worst attendances. Except of course Donbass, their Arena is limiting them, and they are building new one too.

Medvescak are doing great for a hockey team from Croatia

Pretty good overall, disappointed with Lev, Minsk(understandable) and of course Kazan(pathetic) though

 

[Den]

Whats the deal with Admiral arena? It says 5500 capacity, but I read some sources that say it can be increased to 7500. So can it? Will they? What?

And what a surprise that most meaningless franchises have the worst attendances. Except of course Donbass, their Arena is limiting them, and they are building new one too.

They can add the 4th stand which is missing now.

IMHO, building 5000-7500 arena in a million city these days is a travesty...

 

[Alessandro Seren Rosso]

IMHO, building 5000-7500 arena in a million city these days is a travesty...

Absolutely, they should have built straight up a 10-15K one...

 

[Hockeyfan31*]

Big houses are going to be built in NN, Novosib and Astana.

Never heard of new arena in Novosibirsk, any pics, links?

 

[vorky]

Never heard of new arena in Novosibirsk, any pics, links?

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=74643777&postcount=435

 

[Kennel]

For comparison:

Jokerit	19	8731		65%
HIFK		17	6833		83%
Kärpät	18	6090		92%
Tappara	18	5820		77%
Ilves		17	5338		70%
TPS		17	5187		44%
Blues		17	4688		67%
Pelicans	18	4173		75%
SaiPa		18	4141		86%
Ässät	17	4360		67%
JYP		18	3748		83%
Lukko	17	3754		70%
KalPa		18	3325		66%
HPK		17	3520		66%
			4979		70%

 

[Den]

For comparison:

Jokerit	19	8731		65%
HIFK		17	6833		83%
Kärpät	18	6090		92%
Tappara	18	5820		77%
Ilves		17	5338		70%
TPS		17	5187		44%
Blues		17	4688		67%
Pelicans	18	4173		75%
SaiPa		18	4141		86%
Ässät	17	4360		67%
JYP		18	3748		83%
Lukko	17	3754		70%
KalPa		18	3325		66%
HPK		17	3520		66%
			4979		70%

What's the average? Looks like in the nbhd of 70%

 

[Hockeyfan31*]

For comparison:

Jokerit	19	8731		65%
HIFK		17	6833		83%
Kärpät	18	6090		92%
Tappara	18	5820		77%
Ilves		17	5338		70%
TPS		17	5187		44%
Blues		17	4688		67%
Pelicans	18	4173		75%
SaiPa		18	4141		86%
Ässät	17	4360		67%
JYP		18	3748		83%
Lukko	17	3754		70%
KalPa		18	3325		66%
HPK		17	3520		66%
			4979		70%

Decent attendance for Jokerit. Next year when they join khl even if they get half that, it won't be THAT bad.

 

[marquinhos]

For comparison:

Jokerit	19	8731		65%
HIFK		17	6833		83%
Kärpät	18	6090		92%
Tappara	18	5820		77%
Ilves		17	5338		70%
TPS		17	5187		44%
Blues		17	4688		67%
Pelicans	18	4173		75%
SaiPa		18	4141		86%
Ässät	17	4360		67%
JYP		18	3748		83%
Lukko	17	3754		70%
KalPa		18	3325		66%
HPK		17	3520		66%
			4979		70%

On russian

 

[loppa*]

Correct me if I am wrong, but this is a huge decrease for Minsk compared to last season, isn't it?

edit: uh oh

 

[Hockeyfan31*]

With all the problems in Minsk and around, not really surprised

 

[Kennel]

What's the average? Looks like in the nbhd of 70%

Average is the last row (4979, 70%).

It's worth notice that Finnish Liiga has a very stable market so the pricing has risen quite high for maximum profits (so only top team has 90%+ attendance). In KHL you can see a huge difference because most of the teams are still unsure of the proper pricing and some of the teams have outdated arenas.

Decent attendance for Jokerit. Next year when they join khl even if they get half that, it won't be THAT bad.

50% of that would be a disaster, a disgrase and the lowest in 25 years.

Here's Jokerit attendances during the 2000's (the team has had the top attendance since 1992 and the new arena made them even bigger in 1998):

2001: 10421
2002: 9662
2003: 9581
2004: 9093
2005: 9637
2006: 8850
2007: 8982
2008: 8591
2009: 8456
2010: 8295
2011: 8487
2012: 9173
2013: 9828
2014: 8731

This year's dip is partially because the lack of superstars (NHL lockout), partially because the weak(ish) team effort and partially because the fans are upset of the KHL move and signing of Jere Karalahti.

 

[Jussi]

50% of that would be a disaster, a disgrase and the lowest in 25 years.

Here's Jokerit attendances during the 2000's (the team has had the top attendance since 1992 and the new arena made them even bigger in 1998):

2001: 10421
2002: 9662
2003: 9581
2004: 9093
2005: 9637
2006: 8850
2007: 8982
2008: 8591
2009: 8456
2010: 8295
2011: 8487
2012: 9173
2013: 9828
2014: 8731

This year's dip is partially because the lack of superstars (NHL lockout), partially because the weak(ish) team effort and partially because the fans are upset of the KHL move and signing of Jere Karalahti.

Considering the announced attendance doesn't match the actual attendance (season ticket holders/sponsor free tickets stayed home) even currently, at times there's been around 5-6000 and the atmosphere has been like in a funeral. It really would be a disasterous number at Hartwall Areena, occasionally referred to as The Church. It would turn into an actual one in noise level.

 

[Namejs]

So the KHL is tied 3rd/4th in Europe in average attendance.

That's really, really bad, considering everything.

They should get rid of the bottom-tier Russian-based teams ASAP, if they're willing to grow as a league anytime soon.

Add 4-5 European teams (Jokerit + Sweden + Germany + Switzerland + maybe Denmark/Norway) and we'll have a decent league on our hands. 13-14 countries, 32 teams and an average attendance closer to 10k than 5k.

Get rid of the limit on foreigners and we'll have some actual competition going with North America.

Right now the KHL is just one of the European leagues, not THE European league.

Too bad everything written above is just a daydream, as the KHL management still considers KHL to be a Russian league first and foremost.

 

[vorky]

@Namejs

Avg attendance
(k 22.12.2013)

NLA, 6 696
KHL, 5 972
DEL, 5 888
SHL, 5 877
Liiga, 4 947
ELH, 4 675

KHL´s attendance is without Medvescak´s Arena Zagreb game.

 

[ult]

Top 12 teams attendance.

KHL
Russian KHL teams
NLA
DEL
SHL
Liiga
Czech

 

[ult]

KHL's infrastructure future.

2014:

Sochi - new team - 12000

Jokerit - new team - 13500

Astana 4100 -> 12000

2015:

Donetsk 4100 -> 12800

Moscow - new arena - 18000

2016:

Dynamo Moscow 8500 -> 12000

Torpedo 5500 -> 15000

Novosibirsk 7100 -> 20000

CSKA 5600 -> 20000

Possible arenas:

Lev - 17360

Medvescak - 15200

Tyumen - 12500