KHL attendance thread

[Rigafan]

By Teams?

Best I can find! Team names are in Russian but its a recent list

 

[Acallabeth]

Just checked and saw that the previous season had a KHL average attendance record with 6.492 (+1.4%).

Some details here.

It fell to the 3rd place in Europe though, due to Switzerland and Germany's more rapid growth at that time:

Regular-Season average league attendance Europe & Asia
1	Switzerland - National League	7,074
2	Germany - Deutsche Eishockey Liga	6,523
3	Russia - Kontinental Hockey League	6,486
4	Sweden - Swedish Hockey League	6,056
5	Czech Republic - Extraliga	5,724
6	Finland - Liiga	4,236
7	Austria - EBEL	3,163
8	Great Britain - Elite Ice Hockey League	3,043
9	Slovakia - Extraliga	2,379
10	France - Ligue Magnus	1,940

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Earlier season's threads for reference or possible merging:

KHL attendance thread 2016-17
KHL attendance 2015-2016
KHL attendance 2014/2015

 

[vorky]

Regarding the KHL & attendance. Some clubs with smaller venues are taking the league´s average down (DEL having the same problem). Too much disparity with arenas´ capacity. But it will be fixed soon when the new venues are finished, see the table below. The "new normal" will be 10-12,000 seats instead of around 6000 seats. No other European hockey league has made such huge progress since the 2010s. The biggest progress is with 10,000+ venues, around 12% in 2008 to 62% in the upcoming future. And, what is very positive, small venues with around 5,000 seats are disappearing. If these clubs stay in the league, there will be just four such venues (5k) comparing to almost 50% in the early days of the league. And if new teams join, especially outside Russia, they will definitely come to the league with big, over 10,000 seats, venues.

Guessing it is just a matter of time when the KHL will be the most attended (on average) league in Europe. Btw, the KHL is now the most attended league in total numbers - around 4,8 million (regular-season 19-20) to around 2,3 million in the second-best league (DEL). And SKA will be the best without any doubt, it is a matter of time.

Edit:
Looks like we can add the city of Ufa to the category of proposed 10,000+ venue. If all goes well, of course.

 

[Rigafan]

Regarding the KHL & attendance. Some clubs with smaller venues are taking the league´s average down (DEL having the same problem). Too much disparity with arenas´ capacity. But it will be fixed soon when the new venues are finished, see the table below. The "new normal" will be 10-12,000 seats instead of around 6000 seats. No other European hockey league has made such huge progress since the 2010s. The biggest progress is with 10,000+ venues, around 12% in 2008 to 62% in the upcoming future. And, what is very positive, small venues with around 5,000 seats are disappearing. If these clubs stay in the league, there will be just four such venues (5k) comparing to almost 50% in the early days of the league. And if new teams join, especially outside Russia, they will definitely come to the league with big, over 10,000 seats, venues.

Guessing it is just a matter of time when the KHL will be the most attended (on average) league in Europe. Btw, the KHL is now the most attended league in total numbers - around 4,8 million (regular-season 19-20) to around 2,3 million in the second-best league (DEL). And SKA will be the best without any doubt, it is a matter of time.

Edit:
Looks like we can add the city of Ufa to the category of proposed 10,000+ venue. If all goes well, of course.

Lada need to build a new arena and get back in the league.

Also thanks for the chart its very interesting to see the growth that is happening and hopefully it is only going to be to the benefit of the league going forward.

A point - KRS 'Beijing' will never play in their big fancy Beijing arena, lets be honest!

 

[vorky]

I am 100% sure Lada will not build a new arena in the next two decades if ever. Why? Their new arena for 6,600 seats was built in 2013 to replace the old arena (3,000 seats as in the table in 2008). All the problem with their new 6,6k arena is very simple, so its capacity was projected as too small from day one. Unfortunately, it was "trendy" in Russia to build venues for 6-7,000 seats back in time. Admiral is another victim of this trend. Today we see a very similar trend but with bigger venues (12,000), lucky for us, the venues are bigger. But I would prefer even 15,000+ venues for cities with over one million inhabitants (Novosibirsk for example).

I would like to see the same, if not better, growth in other European hockey leagues. If I am correct, I just see two venues in Switzerland & Finland, one in DEL.

As I heard, KRS is going to the venue (National Indoor Stadium) where the 2022 Olympics will be held. But, yeah, COVID is an issue.

 

[filip85]

I would like to see the same, if not better, growth in other European hockey leagues. If I am correct, I just see two venues in Switzerland & Finland, one in DEL.

Third one with 12.000 is one the way, in Zurich.

 

[vorky]

Third one with 12.000 is one the way, in Zurich.

I should be clear about what I mean. I discussed the development for the last decade. So, construction of 10,000+ venues. In Switzerland, I know about U/C venue in Zurich & Vaudoise Aréna in Lausanne. But, yeah, I admit, I made a mistake, Lausanne´s arena is smaller than 10,000 seats.

Two venues in Finland, I mean one in Tampere & HIFK Helsinki. And DEL´s one is in Munich.

 

[Acallabeth]

So, after 3 straight tough years attendance-wise, KHL has recovered extremely strongly in 2023-4 with record average attendance (despite the regular season becoming much longer). No doubt that multiple new large arenas played a role in that change. Having learnt my lesson of plagiarizing Runet pictures with attendance info, I thereby present you with plagiarized Runet tables with attendance info and AI-added Epic Facts!

KHL Attendance with Total Attendance and Epic Facts​

Season	Total Teams	Average Attendance	Avg. YoY Change (%)	Total Attendance	Total YoY Change (%)	Epic Facts
2008/2009	24	5,117	N/A	3,438,742	N/A	The inaugural season of the KHL, establishing professional hockey across Russia.
2009/2010	24	5,536	+8.19%	3,720,247	+8.19%	Growth in fanbase with strong performances by top teams.
2010/2011	23	5,793	+4.64%	3,597,102	-3.31%	Introduction of more competitive teams, leading to increased interest.
2011/2012	23	5,914	+2.09%	3,672,902	+2.11%	KHL expanded internationally, attracting more global attention.
2012/2013	26	6,105	+3.23%	4,126,725	+12.36%	The league saw its first major attendance spike, reflecting its growing popularity.
2013/2014	28	6,080	-0.41%	4,596,836	+11.38%	Despite a slight dip, fan engagement remained strong across the league.
2014/2015	28	6,422	+5.63%	5,395,035	+17.37%	The KHL All-Star Game boosted fan interest and attendance.
2015/2016	28	6,300	-1.90%	5,292,728	-1.90%	The KHL continued to expand its reach with more international games.
2016/2017	29	6,124	-2.79%	5,328,314	+0.67%	An intense season with numerous close games kept fans coming back.
2017/2018	27	6,232	+1.76%	4,711,996	-11.57%	The KHL celebrated its 10th anniversary with various fan events and promotions.
2018/2019	25	6,389	+2.52%	4,952,107	+5.10%	One of the most competitive playoff series in KHL history.
2019/2020	24	6,492	+1.61%	4,830,293	-2.46%	The season was cut short due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
2020/2021	23	6,073	-6.45%	1,383,515	-71.36%	A challenging year with limited attendance due to the pandemic.
2021/2022	24	2,348	-61.33%	1,343,478	-2.89%	Strict COVID-19 protocols led to historically low attendance.
2022/2023	22	5,431	+131.31%	4,062,632	+202.36%	Significant recovery in fan attendance as restrictions eased.
2023/2024	23	6,622	+21.93%	5,178,246	+27.47%	Record-breaking attendance numbers, highlighting the KHL's growing appeal.

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KHL Attendance Summary (2023-2024)​

Club	Avg. Attendance 2023-2024	Occupancy Rate (%)	Sellouts	Change from 2022-2023	Epic Facts
SKA St. Petersburg	13,570	97.8%	26	+7%	Set record with new arena, consistently hitting 20k+ attendance.
Dinamo Minsk	12,057	79.9%	10	+10%	Strong local support with rising fanbase engagement.
Avangard Omsk	11,702	97.4%	27	+9.5%	Filled new arena consistently, with high ticket demand.
Sibir Novosibirsk	10,224	96.1%	26	+10%	New arena brought a surge in attendance, highlighting hockey's popularity in Siberia.
Salavat Yulaev Ufa	7,620	89.4%	16	+9.3%	Maintains a strong and passionate local following.
Traktor Chelyabinsk	7,347	97.8%	30	+9.9%	Consistently high occupancy, reflecting deep community ties.
Ak Bars Kazan	7,028	84.0%	4	-5%	Decline due to venue changes, but remains a fan favorite.
Dynamo Moscow	6,968	66.2%	0	+7.4%	Loyal fanbase, though no sellouts reported this season.
Lokomotiv Yaroslavl	6,623	85.0%	1	+8.8%	Gradual increase in attendance due to team success.
Metallurg Magnitogorsk	6,615	85.9%	6	+9.9%	Stable attendance growth with high occupancy rates.
Amur Khabarovsk	6,575	92.6%	19	+9.5%	Remote location, but extremely dedicated fanbase.
CSKA Moscow	6,531	54.0%	0	+8%	Strong team performance but lower occupancy due to venue size.
Spartak Moscow	6,498	53.3%	0	+6.9%	Historical team with steady fan support, though large arena limits occupancy rate.
Barys Nur-Sultan	5,877	50.6%	0	+9.6%	Steady growth in Kazakhstan’s hockey interest.
Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod	5,500	100%	34	+7.8%	Perfect occupancy rate, indicating a need for a larger venue.
Lada Togliatti	5,315	88.0%	11	+10.2%	High local enthusiasm after team’s return to KHL.
Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg	5,167	93.2%	24	+10.2%	High growth, reflecting increasing competitiveness.
HC Sochi	4,659	42.9%	0	+8.8%	Location in a tourist city contributes to varied attendance.
Severstal Cherepovets	4,495	81.2%	9	+7.3%	Consistent local support in a smaller market.
Admiral Vladivostok	4,411	74.6%	3	+9.4%	Strong community ties in a remote region.
Neftekhimik Nizhnekamsk	3,217	58.5%	0	+6.7%	Modest but steady growth in attendance.
Vityaz Podolsk	2,872	50.6%	2	+7.9%	Small but dedicated fanbase, with some sellouts.
Kunlun Red Star	1,057	14.9%	0	+8.3%	Struggles with attendance due to geographic challenges

Other details highlighted by the K itself in May:

751,703 people in total attended playoff games, again, a KHL record

9,396 – average gameday attendance for the full 2023/24 season and another all-time record

5,929,949 people attended games in regular season and playoffs combined, the third highest in history

In addition, the KHL’s websites enjoyed a 43% increase in views and a 41% rise in unique visitors. The mobile app saw a 4% boost in unique visitors and a 24% increase in views.

 

[Albatros]

SKA's record-setting "97.8 % occupancy rate" and "consistent 20k+ attendance" with the upper ring as good as empty even in the playoffs:

KHL's official fabricated numbers have little to do with reality, if real numbers exist they certainly aren't published.

 

[vorky]

So, after 3 straight tough years attendance-wise, KHL has recovered extremely strongly in 2023-4 with record average attendance (despite the regular season becoming much longer). No doubt that multiple new large arenas played a role in that change. Having learnt my lesson of plagiarizing Runet pictures with attendance info, I thereby present you with plagiarized Runet tables with attendance info and AI-added Epic Facts!

KHL Attendance with Total Attendance and Epic Facts​

Season	Total Teams	Average Attendance	Avg. YoY Change (%)	Total Attendance	Total YoY Change (%)	Epic Facts
2008/2009	24	5,117	N/A	3,438,742	N/A	The inaugural season of the KHL, establishing professional hockey across Russia.
2009/2010	24	5,536	+8.19%	3,720,247	+8.19%	Growth in fanbase with strong performances by top teams.
2010/2011	23	5,793	+4.64%	3,597,102	-3.31%	Introduction of more competitive teams, leading to increased interest.
2011/2012	23	5,914	+2.09%	3,672,902	+2.11%	KHL expanded internationally, attracting more global attention.
2012/2013	26	6,105	+3.23%	4,126,725	+12.36%	The league saw its first major attendance spike, reflecting its growing popularity.
2013/2014	28	6,080	-0.41%	4,596,836	+11.38%	Despite a slight dip, fan engagement remained strong across the league.
2014/2015	28	6,422	+5.63%	5,395,035	+17.37%	The KHL All-Star Game boosted fan interest and attendance.
2015/2016	28	6,300	-1.90%	5,292,728	-1.90%	The KHL continued to expand its reach with more international games.
2016/2017	29	6,124	-2.79%	5,328,314	+0.67%	An intense season with numerous close games kept fans coming back.
2017/2018	27	6,232	+1.76%	4,711,996	-11.57%	The KHL celebrated its 10th anniversary with various fan events and promotions.
2018/2019	25	6,389	+2.52%	4,952,107	+5.10%	One of the most competitive playoff series in KHL history.
2019/2020	24	6,492	+1.61%	4,830,293	-2.46%	The season was cut short due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
2020/2021	23	6,073	-6.45%	1,383,515	-71.36%	A challenging year with limited attendance due to the pandemic.
2021/2022	24	2,348	-61.33%	1,343,478	-2.89%	Strict COVID-19 protocols led to historically low attendance.
2022/2023	22	5,431	+131.31%	4,062,632	+202.36%	Significant recovery in fan attendance as restrictions eased.
2023/2024	23	6,622	+21.93%	5,178,246	+27.47%	Record-breaking attendance numbers, highlighting the KHL's growing appeal.

​

KHL Attendance Summary (2023-2024)​

Club	Avg. Attendance 2023-2024	Occupancy Rate (%)	Sellouts	Change from 2022-2023	Epic Facts
SKA St. Petersburg	13,570	97.8%	26	+7%	Set record with new arena, consistently hitting 20k+ attendance.
Dinamo Minsk	12,057	79.9%	10	+10%	Strong local support with rising fanbase engagement.
Avangard Omsk	11,702	97.4%	27	+9.5%	Filled new arena consistently, with high ticket demand.
Sibir Novosibirsk	10,224	96.1%	26	+10%	New arena brought a surge in attendance, highlighting hockey's popularity in Siberia.
Salavat Yulaev Ufa	7,620	89.4%	16	+9.3%	Maintains a strong and passionate local following.
Traktor Chelyabinsk	7,347	97.8%	30	+9.9%	Consistently high occupancy, reflecting deep community ties.
Ak Bars Kazan	7,028	84.0%	4	-5%	Decline due to venue changes, but remains a fan favorite.
Dynamo Moscow	6,968	66.2%	0	+7.4%	Loyal fanbase, though no sellouts reported this season.
Lokomotiv Yaroslavl	6,623	85.0%	1	+8.8%	Gradual increase in attendance due to team success.
Metallurg Magnitogorsk	6,615	85.9%	6	+9.9%	Stable attendance growth with high occupancy rates.
Amur Khabarovsk	6,575	92.6%	19	+9.5%	Remote location, but extremely dedicated fanbase.
CSKA Moscow	6,531	54.0%	0	+8%	Strong team performance but lower occupancy due to venue size.
Spartak Moscow	6,498	53.3%	0	+6.9%	Historical team with steady fan support, though large arena limits occupancy rate.
Barys Nur-Sultan	5,877	50.6%	0	+9.6%	Steady growth in Kazakhstan’s hockey interest.
Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod	5,500	100%	34	+7.8%	Perfect occupancy rate, indicating a need for a larger venue.
Lada Togliatti	5,315	88.0%	11	+10.2%	High local enthusiasm after team’s return to KHL.
Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg	5,167	93.2%	24	+10.2%	High growth, reflecting increasing competitiveness.
HC Sochi	4,659	42.9%	0	+8.8%	Location in a tourist city contributes to varied attendance.
Severstal Cherepovets	4,495	81.2%	9	+7.3%	Consistent local support in a smaller market.
Admiral Vladivostok	4,411	74.6%	3	+9.4%	Strong community ties in a remote region.
Neftekhimik Nizhnekamsk	3,217	58.5%	0	+6.7%	Modest but steady growth in attendance.
Vityaz Podolsk	2,872	50.6%	2	+7.9%	Small but dedicated fanbase, with some sellouts.
Kunlun Red Star	1,057	14.9%	0	+8.3%	Struggles with attendance due to geographic challenges

Other details highlighted by the K itself in May:

751,703 people in total attended playoff games, again, a KHL record

9,396 – average gameday attendance for the full 2023/24 season and another all-time record

5,929,949 people attended games in regular season and playoffs combined, the third highest in history

In addition, the KHL’s websites enjoyed a 43% increase in views and a 41% rise in unique visitors. The mobile app saw a 4% boost in unique visitors and a 24% increase in views.

Thank you for data. It is undisputable that the KHL is the most attended league in Europe in total numbers. Others are not even close. Even if some people might not like it.

 

[Hanji]

These boards are sometimes so full of political hate; the ridicule gets tiresome.
It's good to see the game thrive no matter where it occurs.

 

[Caser]

SKA's record-setting "97.8 % occupancy rate" and "consistent 20k+ attendance" with the upper ring as good as empty even in the playoffs:

First picture definitely isn't from the playoffs, as SKA didn't play vs. Sochi there. As for the second picture, the score 5:2 was in the last 10 seconds of the game, so the pic was likely taken after the game was over.

 

[Caser]

SKA's record-setting "97.8 % occupancy rate" and "consistent 20k+ attendance" with the upper ring as good as empty even in the playoffs:

KHL's official fabricated numbers have little to do with reality, if real numbers exist they certainly aren't published.

Some other pics from the same games (vs. Sochi and Torpedo respectively) you have selected:

 

[Albatros]

First game looks like 80 %, second 60 %.

 

[Caser]

First game looks like 80 %, second 60 %

I guess your Math isn't that much better than the pics selection skill. Seriously, 60% is like close to a half-empty arena, where are those large empty sections in the second pic? Maybe behind the cam, then I really admire your telepathy skill.

 

[Albatros]

It's easy to see adjacent empty seats with perfectly aligned white lights. If you want to count them all please do, but there are many.

 

[Caser]

It's easy to see adjacent empty seats with perfectly aligned white lights. If you want to count them all please do, but there are many.

To start, it is absurd to even suggest that a meaningless game vs. Sochi would be more attended than the first playoff game vs. Torpedo. As for the picture itself, unfortunately it isn't HD, but still I can see some empty seats in the top tier, but other tiers are clearly full or very close to it. So more like 90% at worst to me, unless there's something drastically different on the other side of the cam. Not to mention that I have watched that game on TV live and it could really be felt that the arena is not even close to being half-empty.

 

[Albatros]

You can freely have your own estimate, the point anyhow is that they claimed to have only full capacity crowds and that evidently wasn't the case. Not that they need to worry about that anymore after torching their arena.

 

[Hanji]

I guess your Math isn't that much better than the pics selection skill. Seriously, 60% is like close to a half-empty arena, where are those large empty sections in the second pic? Maybe behind the cam, then I really admire your telepathy skill.

1st photo is close to a sellout.
Second is perhaps around 80-85%.

 

[Caser]

You can freely have your own estimate, the point anyhow is that they claimed to have only full capacity crowds and that evidently wasn't the case. Not that they need to worry about that anymore after torching their arena.

There is an issue that, if I understand correctly, season ticket holders will count as attending every game - i.e. they don't count the actual attendance, but the number of tickets sold, however it is obvious that the ones with the season tickets won't be there every game.

 

[vorky]

There is an issue that, if I understand correctly, season ticket holders will count as attending every game - i.e. they don't count the actual attendance, but the number of tickets sold, however it is obvious that the ones with the season tickets won't be there every game.

Plus they count all VIP guests.

 

[Acallabeth]

MHL season also had some notable attendance milestones:

Sibirskiye Snaipery set MHL regular season attendance record two days in a row (after moving to Sibir Arena of course), with 7414 and 8028 fans in RS finale against Irbis
Their play-in home game against Kuznetskiye Medvedi (who had been the RS attendance holder with 7200 for over a decade) was 6th most attended MHL game ever with the greatest crowd in a decade - over 9000 fans!

Here's a table for you, adapted from MHL's own web site (that somehow missed that both SKA-1946 final games had 8k+ attendance in their own rights ), as uneven as MHL attendance, with AI-added epic facts!

Rank	Match	Attendance	Date	Epic Fact

1

Omskie Yastreby vs. MHK Spartak

10,318

April 30, 2013

In the heart of Siberia, where winters are fierce and the people fiercer, Omskie Yastreby, fueled by the unyielding spirit of Omsk, conquered the Kharlamov Cup in front of a legendary crowd that turned the arena into a fortress of victory.

2

Omskie Yastreby vs. MHK Spartak

9,970

April 19, 2013

Beneath the cold Siberian skies, nearly 10,000 fans gathered, their passion as unrelenting as the vast Russian steppe, driving Omskie Yastreby to the edge of glory.

3

Omskie Yastreby vs. HK MVD

9,680

April 7, 2013

In the land where the mighty Irtysh River flows, Omskie Yastreby soared above the rest, their triumph echoing across the vast plains of Siberia.

4

Omskie Yastreby vs. MHK Spartak

9,450

April 20, 2013

Within the steely embrace of Omsk, Omskie Yastreby, driven by the unbreakable will of their fans, clinched a crucial victory, their legacy growing with every roaring cheer.

5

Omskie Yastreby vs. MHK Spartak

9,310

April 29, 2013

The frozen lands of Omsk bore witness to a comeback for the ages, as Omskie Yastreby, backed by an unyielding legion, turned the tides in their favor.

6

Sibirskie Snaipery vs. Kuznetskie Medvedi

9,109

March 2, 2024

In the heart of Novosibirsk, where the biting cold meets fiery passion, Sibirskie Snaipery's fans set the arena ablaze with their record-breaking fervor.

7

Loko vs. Chaika

9,070

April 21, 2016

In the historic city of Yaroslavl, where legends are born, Loko's triumph before a packed arena became the stuff of folklore, forever etched in the annals of Russian hockey.

8

Omskie Yastreby vs. HK MVD

8,870

April 15, 2013

Once again, the indomitable spirit of Omsk carried Omskie Yastreby to victory, as their fans filled the arena with the echoes of Siberian resilience.

9

Omskie Yastreby vs. Stalnye Lisy

8,500

April 7, 2012

In a city forged by industry and ice, Omskie Yastreby’s fans unleashed a torrent of support that powered their team to playoff immortality.

10

Tolpar vs. Omskie Yastreby

8,250

March 27, 2010

Under the shadow of the Ural Mountains, Tolpar stood tall, nearly filling their arena in a defiant display of strength against the might of Omskie Yastreby.

11

Loko vs. Chaika

8,170

April 15, 2016

In Yaroslavl, a city that has known both triumph and tragedy, Loko’s victory before a sea of fans became a beacon of hope and glory.

12

Sibirskie Snaipery vs. Irbis

8,028

February 24, 2024

Amidst the vast expanse of Novosibirsk, Sibirskie Snaipery shattered attendance records, their fans’ passion as boundless as the Siberian wilderness.

 

[Hobnobs]

Regarding the KHL & attendance. Some clubs with smaller venues are taking the league´s average down (DEL having the same problem). Too much disparity with arenas´ capacity. But it will be fixed soon when the new venues are finished, see the table below. The "new normal" will be 10-12,000 seats instead of around 6000 seats. No other European hockey league has made such huge progress since the 2010s. The biggest progress is with 10,000+ venues, around 12% in 2008 to 62% in the upcoming future. And, what is very positive, small venues with around 5,000 seats are disappearing. If these clubs stay in the league, there will be just four such venues (5k) comparing to almost 50% in the early days of the league. And if new teams join, especially outside Russia, they will definitely come to the league with big, over 10,000 seats, venues.

Guessing it is just a matter of time when the KHL will be the most attended (on average) league in Europe. Btw, the KHL is now the most attended league in total numbers - around 4,8 million (regular-season 19-20) to around 2,3 million in the second-best league (DEL). And SKA will be the best without any doubt, it is a matter of time.

Edit:
Looks like we can add the city of Ufa to the category of proposed 10,000+ venue. If all goes well, of course.

This the equal in pretty much every league in europe. The top-3 or so teams have large arenas and ~50% of the leage drags the average numbers down. The two teams playing the finals last season in the SHL has 6k and 5k arenas respectively.

 

[vorky]

This the equal in pretty much every league in europe. The top-3 or so teams have large arenas and ~50% of the leage drags the average numbers down. The two teams playing the finals last season in the SHL has 6k and 5k arenas respectively.

Agree, similar problem can be seen in other leagues, but not in that degree as in KHL & DEL. Agree, leagues should fix that problem as soon as possible. Meaning, construction of new venues with bigger capacity.

 

[Albatros]

Capacity crowds most nights create a better product than entire sections of empty seats just for a few occasions. Full capacity doesn't really become a problem until you're struggling to get any tickets to any game, at that point you can start thinking about a larger building instead of pricing adjustments.