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And I know the Jets are a tire fire. So are the Sabres, yet Eichel is still obviously in a class of player that Sam will never approach, relative to their peers. Independent of his bad OL, Darnold STILL has awful tape
 
BloFan4Life said:
What the heck is the guy even talking about?

That makes zero sense. They are the owners of the team. They can do whatever they want.
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I believe McBeane have negotiated clear delineation of decision rights between each of them and either / both of the two Pegulas.

BloFan4Life said:
Both teams have been given the same amount of resources. Both teams have zero spending limits. Both teams hired people recommended by professionals in the industry.

The major difference between the two, the Bills hit on Josh Allen, the Sabres missed on Jack Eichel. Sam Darnold has a lot of similarities to Eichel. Both their attitudes are not what you want from the leader of the team.
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I think Pegulas/Sabres gave Eichel the captaincy too soon.

Regardless, it's not clear to me that if (insert your choices of the best young leaders of various leadership styles the NHL has ever had) wore the Blue & Gold they would be able to overcome the coaching, systems, and/or roster construction of Bylsma, Housley, Krueger.

Would Connor McDavid have Buffalo in the playoffs?
Would 23-24yo Joe Sakic, Steve Yzerman, Henri Richard, Bobby Clarke, Jim Schoenfeld, Ron Francis, Mark Messier, Jonathan Toews, Ovechkin, Crosby have Buffalo in the playoffs?

I leave Dustin Brown off, as he's not of the talent tier as the others.

The star names above either:
1. were named captain young, but their team didn't flourish until later (Yzerman, Sakic both beginning careers during 16-team playoffs in a 21-team league, Ovechkin)
2. weren't named captain anywhere near as young as Eichel (Messier, Richard)
3. were named captain young and had better surrounding talent and coaching (Clarke, Schoenfeld, Toews, Crosby)

Francis could go a few different ways.

My point is any deficiencies in Eichel's leadership can be shored up by bringing in additional leaders. Eichel's leadership, nor that of the other "young captains" above isn't going to overcome Housley's man-chasing defensive zone and apathetic demeanor, Krueger's baffling deployments & system, or Bylsma's system giving up 30.5-34.5 shots against per game. Eichel's leadership isn't blameless, but I'll take his talent and try to shore up his leadership deficiencies before I move him out.

Besides, if you're going to make the trade-Eichel-because-of-poor-leadership/character argument, then any trade returns should logically be biased around improving character and leadership at the expense of counting stats. I think that's foolish.
 
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brian_griffin said:
I believe McBeane have negotiated clear delineation of decision rights between each of them and either / both of the two Pegulas.
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I read somewhere very recently that it's actually on paper what the Pegulas can do as far as roster building/influence. Might be in Beane's contract.

To my knowledge, there is no such delineation on the hockey side.
 
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22. It sounds like the Sabres are making some scouting changes. At the very least a shuffling, and then we see about external additions. Could be news on the assistant-GM front (Jason Karmanos very much a contender) this week.

We’ve already heard about Karmanos. The scouting changes is pretty vague. But that it’s happen is not surprising.
 
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At the very least I am encouraged that Adams can identify what the problems are with the organization. Scouting, drafting an development can be fixed. Having an identity for the team can be accomplished. These would go a long way to getting the ship righted.
 
joshjull said:


22. It sounds like the Sabres are making some scouting changes. At the very least a shuffling, and then we see about external additions. Could be news on the assistant-GM front (Jason Karmanos very much a contender) this week.

We’ve already heard about Karmanos. The scouting changes is pretty vague. But that it’s happen is not surprising.
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Hiring scouts is a change, I guess.
 
Zman5778 said:
I read somewhere very recently that it's actually on paper what the Pegulas can do as far as roster building/influence. Might be in Beane's contract.

To my knowledge, there is no such delineation on the hockey side.
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I've read the same. It makes sense ; McDermott and Beane have been around a bit, and had leverage to ask for such conditions. The Pegulas were probably very amenable to those conditions since the one place they admit they know nothing about is football players.
 
SackTastic said:
I've read the same. It makes sense ; McDermott and Beane have been around a bit, and had leverage to ask for such conditions. The Pegulas were probably very amenable to those conditions since the one place they admit they know nothing about is football players.
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It makes zero sense and is just made up myths.

No contract is going to be written up with such wording. They own the team, they can do whatever they want.
 
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Who's saying they turned around the Bills? Remember, ignorant fools are still at the wheel.
They might very well get eliminated the next 5 wildcard games. Just because they've made it to the conference finals this season is no guarantee for future success.

Incompetent owners have the tendency to f*** things up, i'm sure others can give examples.
 
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BloFan4Life said:
It makes zero sense and is just made up myths.

No contract is going to be written up with such wording. They own the team, they can do whatever they want.
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Of course it's not something that would be in a contract and nobody knows what is said behind those doors, but it's not illogical.
It's something that'd be mentioned when the candidate is interviewing. "In order to do this job properly, I need autonomy."
You don't need to hire someone who says that and you also, as owner, don't have to abide by that, but that person will no longer want to work in that environment.

If it is properly communicated in advance that the chain of command must include ownership on all decisions, that will limit the pool of candidates.
 
BloFan4Life said:
It makes zero sense and is just made up myths.

No contract is going to be written up with such wording. They own the team, they can do whatever they want.
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Tyler Dunne had an article about the Mahommes draft. Terry Pegula wanted him bad. We didn’t draft him because McDermott didn’t want him and had more say it what was going on. So they can’t do whatever they want.
 
WpgBuffan said:
Tyler Dunne had an article about the Mahommes draft. Terry Pegula wanted him bad. We didn’t draft him because McDermott didn’t want him and had more say it what was going on. So they can’t do whatever they want.
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McDermitt had autonomy because the owner gave it to him.

That article was talking about how Pegula loved Mahomes and told anyone who would listen about him. But he stuck to his promise not to meddle and let McDermitt make the decisions that day. The obvious follow up is he could have meddled if he wanted to.

Thats an owner choosing to stay out of things not a GM with more power. Even with Whaley being a bit of a weasel trying to get him to interfere and take Mahomes, Pegula stayed out of the decisions.

The idea some have have that an owner can be boxed out by employees or ever has less power is pure fantasy.
 
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joshjull said:
McDermitt had autonomy because the owner gave it to him.

That article was talking about how Pegula loved Mahomes and told anyone who would listen about him. But he stuck to his promise not to meddle and let McDermitt make the decisions that day. The obvious follow up is he could have meddled if he wanted to.

Thats an owner choosing to stay out of things not a GM with more power. Even with Whaley being a bit of a weasel trying to get him to interfere and take Mahomes, Pegula stayed out of the decisions.

The idea some have have that an owner can be boxed out by employees or ever has less power is pure fantasy.
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An owner meddling in personnel matters is like pregnancy. There's no such thing as a little bit. Once an owner gets involved the GM's mission changes from trying to improve the team to trying to do what he thinks the owner wants while trying to improve the team. That's been the problem with the Sabres since Terry got his foot in the door. Every stupid move the Sabres have made has Terry's fingerprints on it.
 
WpgBuffan said:
Tyler Dunne had an article about the Mahommes draft. Terry Pegula wanted him bad. We didn’t draft him because McDermott didn’t want him and had more say it what was going on. So they can’t do whatever they want.
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Ummm, at the end of the day Terry could have drafted Mahomes. HE PAYS THE PAYCHECK!!!!!

What don't people understand how hierarchy is any business works? The owner can whatever they want. Whether they choose to, is a different story. There is no contract, no verbal agreement, no nothing that says an owner will not have final say of the business they own.
 
Doug Prishpreed said:
Why didn't McD want Mahomes?? Is...Terry a better evaluator than him?
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I think it was reported that McDermott wanted to build the team from the defense out, starting with the CB position. Pegula might've wanted the Bills to draft Mahomes, but I think it's more of a sign of a broken clock being right twice than it was a sign that Pegula is a great talent evaluator--as evidenced by the ROR trade and Skinner signing and, you know, repeatedly promoting Russ Brandon until he forced them to fire him
 
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