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Zip15 said:
LA isn't giving up both Turcotte and Byfield. That's where that LA deal dies on the vine.
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While it would be wonderful for the Sabres to land both of them, there is no way it happens.

I wouldn't expect LA to want anything to do with trading Byfield. Full stop.

Turcotte is only available because they have Byfield.

And at the end of the day, LA might not have that much interest in Eichel for one big reason: Doughty's NMC.

I could see LA being concerned with having $31M in cap space tied up between Kopitar, Eichel, and Doughty through the end of the 23-24 season.

The Sabres taking back Quick and/or Carter only alleviates the issue so much as Carter's deal expires after the 21-22 season and Quick's deal expires after the 22-23 season.

Thinking about kickstarting a rebuild with prospects like Byfield, Turcotte, Bjornfot, Kaliyev, Kupari, and Thomas is great in theory. But, I also wonder if LA really has any interest in going that route or not.

This is where it would be so much fun to be a fly on the wall...
 
slip said:
Again, the crux of my argument is that whereas Tim Murray had complete autonomy to build the team as he saw fit, Botterill and now Adams operate under the thumb of the Pegulas which will feed into the ongoing mediocrity we see on the ice. I disagree that Adams sold the Pegulas on a "new" structure, but I think the Pegulas realized a bit too late they were hoodwinked by Kreuger and are now scrambling to offload these mistakes on their errand boy Adams.

In regards to (1):

According to the survey, Buffett lives up to his “delegation just short of abdication” style. The CEOs provide monthly financial statements to headquarters, but they have infrequent contact with Buffett. Most report having phone calls with him on a monthly or quarterly basis. None have a pre-established schedule, and all said they initiate the communication themselves.
Buffett is also unlikely to get involved in the affairs of their companies, the CEOs noted. They would handle independently issues like labor disruptions, supply-chain issues, legal action against the company, or modest declines in sales. What would bring Buffett to the phone: anything that impacts Berkshire’s reputation or a severe restatement of previously reported financial results, respondents said. One CEO noted, “No one gives a company this kind of freedom.”

What Is It Like to Be Owned by Warren Buffett?

The Pegulas need to follow the lead of the most successful investor on the planet and get out of the way of day to day hockey operations.

(2)I think a GM spending his time on the phone daily talking to ownership is completely wasting his time and energy. Every couple of weeks might make sense. Every couple of months makes more sense. The Pegulas need to be removed from the chains of communications that any business must establish to be successful. If the the past decade of futility has taught us anything, it's that.
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I disagree with the 1st bolded, but others are carrying the water for that rebuttal.

Re: the 2nd bolded, we're either talking past each other, or perhaps you're not seeing my point. Buffet's low-communication is a result of successful subordinate operations and CEOs, not a cause for those successes. To flip it with a hypothetical, if Buffett or Bob Kraft or Jeremy Jacobs or Steve Jobs (when he was alive) were heading organizations which were floundering, underachieving, and embarrassing relative to their competitors, do you think their overarching philosophy would be overt disengagement and suspending communication with the people charged with fixing it?

Moreover, unless one negotiates rules for engagement, one doesn't determine how frequently one talks with one's boss. The boss determines that.

To the 3rd bolded, advocating every couple months for communication between Pegula and Adams is (IMO, senseless and) impractical given both the structure and schedule of the NHL board of governors, and the NHL season itself. My opinion - if you truly wish such a minimal frequency of communication between Pegula(s) / Adams, as a means to turn the franchise around, then you should likely advocate for their sale to someone else.

The issue to me is decision rights, not communication per se.
 
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Jim Bob said:
Colorado would need to dump salary in a deal, too. Colorado has some nice pieces to offer. But, Newhook isn’t good enough for a deal to make sense to me.
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I don't think we'd be the market for Eichel anyways. He's amazing but we'll have enough problems paying our guys down the road, can't afford him.
 
Jim Bob said:
That wouldn't surprise me. But, I also doubt that the Rangers "reasonable offer" is the best that the Sabres could potentially get.

Another wildcard is Seattle. I think there could be some really interesting options if the Sabres talk to Seattle about whether they want to make a deal that makes Eichel the face of the new franchise.
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lmfao what?

Let me guess, the Sabres give away Eichel and Skinner to Seattle for magic beans that'll magically turn the franchise around with Dylan Cozens (who's on pace to score 21 points over a full 82 game season as a 20-year-old) "replacing" Eichel's production, much like Casey Mittelstadt "replaced" ROR's production
 
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BloFan4Life said:
What the heck is the guy even talking about?

That makes zero sense. They are the owners of the team. They can do whatever they want.
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They can. I think Friedman is grasping trying to figure out why the Bills are working and the Sabres aren’t with same owners.


I don’t think it’s any great mystery. The Pegulas found someone competent to run the football team. They’ve yet to find that person for the hockey team.
 
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Zman5778 said:
That strikes me as a piece too much from LA.
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It may be, but that's the price I'd ask for. If LA came back and said yes but without Bjornfot, for example (since they need LHD), I'd make the deal.
joshjull said:
They can. I think Friedman is grasping trying to figure out why the Bills are working and the Sabres aren’t with same owners.
I don’t think it’s any great mystery. The Pegulas found someone competent to run the football team. They’ve yet to find that person for the hockey team.
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Agreed. Occam's Razor.
 
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Old Navy Goat said:
Yep it would be either or, select 1 from each group

A.
Byfield or Turcotte

B.
Bjornfot or Clague

C.
Madden, Kaliyev, Fagemo

D.
2021 1st

If they want to include salary it'd be either Kempe or Iafallo
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That looks about right. Maybe Madden or Kupari...

So with the taxi squad biz I dont know how a 4roster player for 1roster player would work. Maybe they can ask for a waiver for taxi rules?

Iafallo...they want to resign him. He is UFA after this year.

I kinda think they would want to dump the goalie with the big contract who is struggling to be at .900 SV%
 
joshjull said:
They can. I think Friedman is grasping trying to figure out why the Bills are working and the Sabres aren’t with same owners.


I don’t think it’s any great mystery. The Pegulas found someone competent to run the football team. They’ve yet to find that person for the hockey team.
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Both teams have been given the same amount of resources. Both teams have zero spending limits. Both teams hired people recommended by professionals in the industry.

The major difference between the two, the Bills hit on Josh Allen, the Sabres missed on Jack Eichel. Sam Darnold has a lot of similarities to Eichel. Both their attitudes are not what you want from the leader of the team.
 
explore said:
lmfao what?

Let me guess, the Sabres give away Eichel and Skinner to Seattle for magic beans that'll magically turn the franchise around with Dylan Cozens (who's on pace to score 21 points over a full 82 game season as a 20-year-old) "replacing" Eichel's production, much like Casey Mittelstadt "replaced" ROR's production
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The Sabres could work with Seattle through the expansion draft process to craft out a multi-NHL player package plus draft pick package.

We don't know who will be unprotected. But, if it is anything like the Vegas expansion draft, there will be some really good players available.
 
joshjull said:
They can. I think Friedman is grasping trying to figure out why the Bills are working and the Sabres aren’t with same owners.

I don’t think it’s any great mystery. The Pegulas found someone competent to run the football team. They’ve yet to find that person for the hockey team.
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And it would seem that the Pegulas meddle in the football decisions of the Bills way less than they do with the hockey decisions of the Sabres.
 
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BloFan4Life said:
Both teams have been given the same amount of resources. Both teams have zero spending limits. Both teams hired people recommended by professionals in the industry.

The major difference between the two, the Bills hit on Josh Allen, the Sabres missed on Jack Eichel. Sam Darnold has a lot of similarities to Eichel. Both their attitudes are not what you want from the leader of the team.
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Darnold isn't a very good comparable for Eichel. Darnold sucks at his job, and Eichel is a very good 1C when healthy.

Eichel is more like Matt Stafford - a little worse than the more optimistic prognostications, but a damn good player, mired in the garbage created by his horrendous organization.
 
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GellMann said:
Darnold isn't a very good comparable for Eichel. Darnold sucks at his job, and Eichel is a very good 1C when healthy.

Eichel is more like Matt Stafford - a little worse than the more optimistic prognostications, but a damn good player, mired in the garbage created by his horrendous organization.
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Darnold did not suck at his job. He was drafted 3rd overall. The common narrative around Darnold is that he just doesn't have the "IT" attitude that guys like Allen possess. Eichel and Darnold both have injury concerns and both have shown flashes. Looking at Eichel's career in totality, it doesn't scream anything besides good. Nothing elite or top notch. A good center in the league.

Stafford isn't a bad comparison because I don't think he possess "IT" either, but Stafford is a lot better QB than Eichel is center.
 
BloFan4Life said:
Darnold did not suck at his job. He was drafted 3rd overall. The common narrative around Darnold is that he just doesn't have the "IT" attitude that guys like Allen possess. Eichel and Darnold both have injury concerns and both have shown flashes. Looking at Eichel's career in totality, it doesn't scream anything besides good. Nothing elite or top notch. A good center in the league.

Stafford isn't a bad comparison because I don't think he possess "IT" either, but Stafford is a lot better QB than Eichel is center.
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Eichel is a top ~10 center in the NHL, in a pool of roughly 124 centers. The NFL equivalent would be a top ~3 QB. Darnold has never been a top 25 QB.

Eichel is in the top ~8th percentile at his trade within his league, Darnold has never ascended above the bottom ~30th percentile.

It's a crappy comparison, because Darnold has never not sucked at his job of being an NFL QB. I don't care where he was drafted
 
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GellMann said:
Eichel is a top ~10 center in the NHL, in a pool of roughly 124 centers. The NFL equivalent would be a top ~3 QB. Darnold has never been a top 25 QB.

Eichel is in the top ~8th percentile at his trade within his league, Darnold has never ascended above the bottom ~30th percentile.

It's a crappy comparison, because Darnold has never not sucked at his job of being an NFL QB. I don't care where he was drafted
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Your math makes no sense. Why are you taking every center position in the league and not saying every team in the NFL has 3 QBs?

Darnold has had good stretches, just like Eichel has. Eichel has a lot more opportunity with playing more.

You're missing the point though. Darnold's attitude is just not at the level it needs to be, like his comparable in Allen is. Attitude means a lot in a leader.
 
BloFan4Life said:
Your math makes no sense. Why are you taking every center position in the league and not saying every team in the NFL has 3 QBs?

Darnold has had good stretches, just like Eichel has. Eichel has a lot more opportunity with playing more.

You're missing the point though. Darnold's attitude is just not at the level it needs to be, like his comparable in Allen is. Attitude means a lot in a leader.
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Because there are 32 QBs that play meaningful minutes for their teams in the entire NFL, but there are 124 centers that do the same in the NHL. You can't map over "top 10" as a category and mean the same thing in either league, so I attempted to do percentiles. If a 4th line center (William Karlsson) gets really good, he can move from being ranked very low (say, 100th) to very high (maybe he peaked as a top 20 center). Similarly, maybe Darnold can move up from being a bottom 5-10 QB (or top 22-27 QB, see how much nicer that sounds) into being a top 5-10 QB. But Jack Eichel is *good* at his job relative to the league average player at his position. Sam Darnold is dreadful when held to the same metric, and has NEVER been even average. So it's a bad comparison
 
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