Kevyn Adams GM thread

[Ace]

I actually don’t care that he gave up a second but that was an opinion based in a logical fallacy.

The man has refused to put any mark on the roster in five f***ing years. Just taking leftovers and plugging in children because they’re all cheap. I didn’t care what he moved for players being added to the NHL roster because I expected him to be judged on that roster. That he finally couldn’t escape accountability because he finally “did things”. No amount of Hutson’s will ever matter as long as this unqualified buffoon is at the helm. I’ll trade the next three f***ing drafts for a competent GM and come out ahead in the long run.

Doesn’t feel like that’s going to happen though does it?

We live in Hell

I did hate the Leinonen pick though. Immensely. I wanted Lane Hutson very badly. And he’s not the only guy who would have been vastly preferable to Leinonen.

 

[Fjordy]

I actually don’t care that he gave up a second but that was an opinion based in a logical fallacy.

The man has refused to put any mark on the roster in five f***ing years. Just taking leftovers and plugging in children because they’re all cheap. I didn’t care what he moved for players being added to the NHL roster because I expected him to be judged on that roster. That he finally couldn’t escape accountability because he finally “did things”. No amount of Hutson’s will ever matter as long as this unqualified buffoon is at the helm. I’ll trade the next three f***ing drafts for a competent GM and come out ahead in the long run.

Doesn’t feel like that’s going to happen though does it?

We live in Hell

I did hate the Leinonen pick though. Immensely. I wanted Lane Hutson very badly. And he’s not the only guy who would have been vastly preferable to Leinonen.

There were all these RDs on the board: Warren, Casey, Luneau and Salomosson.

 

[Jim Bob]

NHL report cards: Grading every team’s season as we near the midway point

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Buffalo Sabres: F​

The Sabres were supposed to be in win-now mode, ready to take the next step under new coach Lindy Ruff. Instead, they are in last place in the Eastern Conference after a 13-game winless streak derailed their season. It’s tough to justify anything other than a failing grade for a team that had 91 points two seasons ago and is on track to regress for the second straight season. — Matthew Fairburn

 

[toddkaz]

More and more talk coming out of Vancouver. For the love of god Adams pick up your phone its ringing.

 

[May Day 10]

Take the keys away from adams. Dont want him to make any more trades. He will make matters worse

 

[joshjull]

Savoie and whoever we would have taken at pick 43 would have been better used as part of a package to get a 1C. Build from the top down. Poor asset management in my opinion.

Maybe we could have traded them in a package for McDavid, our new 1C………..

 

[joshjull]

once he lost Greenway he's been a different player

They’ve also tried to use him outside his skill set. He’s a defense center.

But thats not McLeod’s fault. It’s the fault of the crappy play from the top 6, the 2nd line in particular. Or rather the non-existent 2nd line for much of the year.

 

[Fjordy]

They’ve also tried to use him outside his skill set. He’s a defense center.

But thats not McLeod’s fault. It’s the fault of the crappy play from the top 6, the 2nd line in particular. Or rather the non-existent 2nd line for much of the year.

Why the hell did McLeod fall out of favor? They put Cozens at 1C, 2C, he gets a lot of chances in the center but is still terrible, especially in defense, but McLeod doesn't get those chances now. Using McLeod as a 4C with players who can't produce just doesn't make sense for me.

 

[joshjull]

Why the hell did McLeod fall out of favor? They put Cozens at 1C, 2C, he gets a lot of chances in the center but is still terrible, especially in defense, but McLeod doesn't get those chances now. Using McLeod as a 4C with players who can't produce just doesn't make sense for me.

He didn’t fall out of favor. He’s being used as what he is, a defensive center. Add to that him being the only competent one on this team and his line (with Malenstyn/Lafferty) are being used heavily in that role (OZS% is around 30%). I don’t think McLeod has even had an offensive zone start in the last 4 games.


McLeod isn’t a top 6 center beyond being used in a short stint for either an injury fill in or to shake things up. He centered a good 3rd line to start the season. That line (Zucker/McLeod/Greenway) had to be broken and spread among the other lines due to the crappy play of the top 6. But McLeod in a top 6 center role is not a realistic long term solution.

What’s killing the center group is Cozen’s collapse as a player generally but more specifically his inability to be an effective defensive center. He hasn’t been remotely capable of handling that two way role Ruff was hoping for and he was drafted to be. He’s actually getting offensively skewed deployments. That forces the defensive work from our centers to come almost entirely from the bottom 6, since Tage can’t help with that either.

McLeod has been the only reliable bottom 6 center this season. Lafferty didn’t work out nor did Krebs. Now with Kulich’s emergence we have our 2nd bottom 6 center. What’s f***ed up is the Benson/Kulich/Krebs line is getting roughly 40% OZS% (and doing well for the most part). That we have to rely on kids in a usage like that really shows how poorly our roster is constructed.

 

[Fjordy]

He didn’t fall out of favor. He’s being used as what he is, a defensive center. Add to that him being the only competent one on this team and his line (with Malenstyn/Lafferty) are being used heavily in that role (OZS% is around 30%). I don’t think McLeod has even had an offensive zone start in the last 4 games.


McLeod isn’t a top 6 center beyond being used in a short stint for either an injury fill in or to shake things up. He centered a good 3rd line to start the season. That line (Zucker/McLeod/Greenway) had to be broken and spread among the other lines due to the crappy play of the top 6. But McLeod in a top 6 center role is not a realistic long term solution.

What’s killing the center group is Cozen’s collapse as a player generally but more specifically his inability to be an effective defensive center. He hasn’t been remotely capable of handling that two way role Ruff was hoping for and he was drafted to be. He’s actually getting offensively skewed deployments. That forces the defensive work from our centers to come almost entirely from the bottom 6, since Tage can’t help with that either.

McLeod has been the only reliable bottom 6 center this season. Lafferty didn’t work out nor did Krebs. Now with Kulich’s emergence we have our 2nd bottom 6 center. What’s f***ed up is the Benson/Kulich/Krebs line is getting roughly 40% OZS% (and doing well for the most part). That we have to rely on kids in a usage like that really shows how poorly our roster is constructed.

I hope to see McLeod as 3C again in the future, especially since I liked Kozak's performance as 4C. Ideally, get Pettersson and then I would like to see a central axis like this:

Pettersson (1C)

Thompson (2C)

McLeod (3C)

Kozak (4C)

The same Kulich could well be effective on the wing of the same Pettersson, for example.

 

[Dreakon13]

By fully committing to a team of kids, Adam’s backed himself into a corner where he’s probably gotta give up on a few potentially great players before they fully develop.

If it were year 2-3 of not making the playoffs, I could kinda understand not making any rash decisions… and their thought process IS probably that it’s only been a few years with this particular group… but it’s not really, and it’s a difficult situation (and a very unfortunate situation for the fans) of Adam’s own making. He’s gotta do something (or fire him, or both).

 

[SabresFan26]

He still has a job? Came over from the Bills thread to check. Dang. Guess we still not serious about winning.

 

[Ace]

He still has a job? Came over from the Bills thread to check. Dang. Guess we still not serious about winning.

Every day he remains here is a stamp of approval that he’s meeting ownership expectations.

Every day he doesn’t make a move is a stamp of approval that the players are performing to management’s expectations.

Those are the standards of the Pegula Sabres in year 14 of a drought and Kevyn Adams in year 5 of one.

And the standard is being met.

Every day Kevyn Adams is still here is the new lowest point in franchise history.

 

[Sabresbyswords104]

They need to grill Adams in his next press conference. The media should question why the team hasn't shown any significant improvements and why he hasn't succeeded in making progress after such a long time as GM. When analyzing his actions, the results clearly indicate suboptimal outcomes.

They should be all over the media with tough, hard-hitting questions until he quits. The pressure should be relentless, demanding answers for why the team is underperforming and why his decisions have led to subpar results.

 

[Ace]

They need to grill Adams in his next press conference. The media should question why the team hasn't shown any significant improvements and why he hasn't succeeded in making progress after such a long time as GM. When analyzing his actions, the results clearly indicate suboptimal outcomes.

They should be all over the media with tough, hard-hitting questions until he quits. The pressure should be relentless, demanding answers for why the team is underperforming and why his decisions have led to subpar results.

There is no scenario where he should get another press conference. The last one was a disaster and things have only gotten much, much worse.

He needs to be fired. Immediately

 

[HaNotsri]

There is no scenario where he should get another press conference. The last one was a disaster and things have only gotten much, much worse.

He needs to be fired. Immediately

He will be mad at every single question since everything can be taken as sarcastic criticism at this point.
"Based on you plans and moves this summer, how do you think they turned out?"

 

[SabresFan26]

Questions that should’ve been asked that haven’t.

What is your definition of success and have you been successful during your tenure?

Do you feel this franchise is better or worse during the 5 years you’ve been here?

Do you think you were qualified having zero experience in NHL front offices for a job where there’s only 32 in the world?

You are one year away from breaking the NHL record for longest tenure as a general manager of missing the playoffs, and that was an expansion team in the Columbus Blue Jackets, why should fans be confident in you to right the ship?

 

[toddkaz]

Elliote Friedman has been reporting that Buffalo and Vancouver have been talking for 3 weeks. I can't decide if thats good or bad.

On one hand they are talking which is good but on the other hand it shouldn't take 3 weeks to get a deal done(Ok sometimes takes longer) but when it comes to Kevyn Adams as a fan you want that deal done.

 

[Willgamesh]

Elliote Friedman has been reporting that Buffalo and Vancouver have been talking for 3 weeks. I can't decide if thats good or bad.

On one hand they are talking which is good but on the other hand it shouldn't take 3 weeks to get a deal done(Ok sometimes takes longer) but when it comes to Kevyn Adams as a fan you want that deal done.

I don't think any fans want KA to make any deals with how badly hes been fleeced, nobody cares about a few meh deals like Greenway ETC when you look at his massive failure in returns for 2 top 10 F in the league.

 

[Zman5778]

I don't think any fans want KA to make any deals with how badly hes been fleeced, nobody cares about a few meh deals like Greenway ETC when you look at his massive failure in returns for 2 top 10 F in the league.

Frankly, if we get EP40......I don't care if we give up a piece too much or get "fleeced" from the declaration of HFboards and/or media at large.

EP40 so clearly fits the player need we have.....a legitimate two-way, PPG center. He then shifts other pieces (Tage, Cozens, Kulich?) into roles better suited for them.

I'd rather us get "fleeced" than stand still.


And as far as the "returns for 2 top 10 F in the league" -- Eichel was damaged goods, Kevyn did well to get a legit top 6 winger, a legit prospect and a 1st. Reinhart was absolutely NOT a top 10 forward at the time and the deal was made at the time that a lot of wingers were being traded for depressed values (IE, Buch for a 2nd). I don't think he did badly in either deal.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

Elliote Friedman has been reporting that Buffalo and Vancouver have been talking for 3 weeks. I can't decide if thats good or bad.

On one hand they are talking which is good but on the other hand it shouldn't take 3 weeks to get a deal done(Ok sometimes takes longer) but when it comes to Kevyn Adams as a fan you want that deal done.

I remember last year that Buffalo and Colorado were very obviously scouting each other for months, and everyone knew that Byram/Mittelstadt was a logical trade for both sides, and then it actually happened. But there were literally months of "when is this going to actually go down?"

All that to say, I don't think it's crazy that it has taken this long. Especially since Allvin/Rutherford probably have to be 1000% sure trading a star 1C is what they want to do.

Frankly, if we get EP40......I don't care if we give up a piece too much or get "fleeced" from the declaration of HFboards and/or media at large.

EP40 so clearly fits the player need we have.....a legitimate two-way, PPG center. He then shifts other pieces (Tage, Cozens, Kulich?) into roles better suited for them.

I'd rather us get "fleeced" than stand still.


And as far as the "returns for 2 top 10 F in the league" -- Eichel was damaged goods, Kevyn did well to get a legit top 6 winger, a legit prospect and a 1st. Reinhart was absolutely NOT a top 10 forward at the time and the deal was made at the time that a lot of wingers were being traded for depressed values (IE, Buch for a 2nd). I don't think he did badly in either deal.

This is exactly where I am. Improve the roster at all costs. 14 years is long enough.

 

[Ace]

Questions that should’ve been asked that haven’t.

What is your definition of success and have you been successful during your tenure?

Do you feel this franchise is better or worse during the 5 years you’ve been here?

Do you think you were qualified having zero experience in NHL front offices for a job where there’s only 32 in the world?

You are one year away from breaking the NHL record for longest tenure as a general manager of missing the playoffs, and that was an expansion team in the Columbus Blue Jackets, why should fans be confident in you to right the ship?

My question is a variation on these themes.

Basically…do you think that taking a job with no qualifications…with the understanding that your first move would be to fire most of the experienced people working here because the last GM refused to was a good idea? Has it worked out better or worse than it sounded on paper.

Then I’d end it with “You little puppet assed bitch”.

As for EP. Yeah. Do that.

EP, Tage top 2C and Dahlin one of Power/Byram as the man on a top 2 pair is infinitely better than Tage/Cozens and Dahlin with both Power and Byram. Then go get f***ing defensemen that f***ing fit to play with them after five f***ing years

 

[Ehran]

My question is a variation on these themes.

Basically…do you think that taking a job with no qualifications…with the understanding that your first move would be to fire most of the experienced people working here because the last GM refused to was a good idea? Has it worked out better or worse than it sounded on paper.

Then I’d end it with “You little puppet assed bitch”.

As someone that was recently laid off (and hell, to be honest, even before that) If someone dangled a mid-6 figures salary in front of me but the caveat was I had to fire others... yes, I would quickly take it. And be happy for it.

And yes, I would continue to be a "yes person" to keep that job.

Say what you want, I don't have much of a perceived value for internet morality police. I would take the money and run.

You can be as much of a vengeful fan as you want, but I doubt many in the hockey world looking for a job would hesitate, either. NHL GM jobs don't exactly pop up all that frequently.

 

[Ace]

As someone that was recently laid off (and hell, to be honest, even before that) If someone dangled a mid-6 figures salary in front of me but the caveat was I had to fire others... yes, I would quickly take it. And be happy for it.

And yes, I would continue to be a "yes person" to keep that job.

Say what you want, I don't have much of a perceived value for internet morality police. I would take the money and run.

You can be as much of a vengeful fan as you want, but I doubt many in the hockey world looking for a job would hesitate, either. NHL GM jobs don't exactly pop up all that frequently.

He had a f***ing job.

This idea that Kevyn Adams, a long tenured NHL player working for Pegula for years was a pauper with no choice but to take a position he was unqualified for because someone had to put a lot of people out of work is some thing everyone would do is complete and utter bullshit.

He’s a piece of shit

 

[Jim Bob]

More and more talk coming out of Vancouver. For the love of god Adams pick up your phone its ringing.

With more and more smoke that Miller could be the odd man out, Adams's phone certainly isn't ringing on that front as there is no shot that Miller waives his full NTC to come to this tire fire.