Kevyn Adams GM thread

[Djp]

That is absolutely brutal. If Pegula forced the trade, I’m not sure you can blame that on Murray but who cares at this point.

Afraid to ask what those two 2nd rounders became.

stop thinking they overpaid with 2 2nds.

It was a deal between GMd that goes like this....call in the afternoon on deadline day asking about pkayer X for a secondary prosprct
Other gm doesnt know much about their prospects.
Instead they say trade vet for future unnamed prospect cant be donr in hockey like it can in baseball they instead use futyr ef picks as a placeholders for this. None in current upcoming draft and then by next deadline they pick a prospect of theirs and return the picks

They used the picks to protect historical trade value of similar vet D which is usually a 2nd+ 2nd-5th

I get what you are saying, but the NHL is so much different than football. In football, the coaches are the CEO. In the NHL, coaches are at the bottom rung of importance or influence and are the first to get fired.

The big difference us in draft. For nhl you likely dont srr the players you pick till 4+ yrs from now.

In the NFL you expect something from rookies in yr 1.

Personality-wise, we struck gold with the Bills with McDermott. I feel like he is respectful enough where he listens to Pegula, but is bullheaded enough where he does it his own-way (and probably outlines why). He sounds like an extremely convincing and thorough guy. I also think he is in the top 1/4 of NFL coaches, and even without Josh Allen, his floor is pretty high.

I think Pegula has a more deeper understanding of hockey than he does of football so he might be more involved in hockey.

In football he might want to know more high profile things just from a PR standpoint

Hockey is so much more intricate than the NFL though. Salary cap decisions cannot be reversed in a year or 2. You are scouting teens across the planet in apples-to-oranges leagues and trying to project how they will play in the NHL as adults. The critical mix for an NHL team is much more complicated than a football team.

Prospect end you have years before you ser impact while football I'd next yr.

because its do now post draft. I think that is why contracts changed to heavy bonus and cut ties and it's so much system driven in who you sign it would be harder to change teams without a cut and run on vet contracts

So let's just put Lindy as POHO.... maybe? He has extensive experience as a player, captain, and coach, and has seen multiple organizations at this point. He carries credibility and seems like he should be well-respected. Bringing in his own GM would be a good move, obviously because that is a big workload. I would rather Lindy bring in a GM as POHO though and not a HC. I think many+ GM candidates would balk at being selected by a HC. Firing a coach is a lever any GM should be free to pull at any time.

How old is Ruff? Hes 70+. I dont see him in such a role long term

 

[joshjull]

McNabb had a fling with one of the daughters and it went south.

What’s the basis for this claim? I don’t think you realize you’re framing McNabb is an enormous creep.

The two youngest daughters would have been teenagers when McNabb played for this organization as a 20-22yr old. The youngest daughter would have been in the statutory rape age range. Those two daughters didn’t live here either, they grew up outside Pittsburgh. The older of the two had left to start her pro tennis career around the time he joined the organization.

I don’t think your assertion happened. But if it did, as a father of 3 girls, I can understand why he wouldn’t want him near his daughters.

 

[joshjull]

Its the kind of nonsense that managers here have had to deal with. Is it any wonder LaFontaine and Craig Patrick stormed out a few days before that deal was made?

McNabb was a physical freak and a good prospect at the time (and we could have used him the past 10 seasons or whatever it has been)

Or we could go with what was actually reported on at the time, unlike the rumor you’re spreading.

That LaFontaine and Murray disagreed on the direction of the rebuild and were butting heads. Murray wanted to go hard into tanking and Patty did not. A very visible fight on that front was over what to do with Ryan Miller. Patty wanted to extend him, Murray did not. It got to the point that Pegula had to get involved and decide which vision to move forward with. He sided with Murray and not long after Patty quit.

Pegula’s f*** up was hiring Patty in the first place. It’s dumb enough to impulsively hire a POHO after a nice dinner with him. No need to make up more drama on top of that.

It’s always been weird to me that posters look for conspiracies with Pegula at the time and miss the obvious f*** up by Patty. He was given a free hand to hire his own GM. He handled the search. So how did he f*** up so bad he never realized the guy he hired wanted to completely gut the organization? I mean they were butting heads about 2-3months after Murray got hired. You would think this would have been discussed during the interview.

Plus Murray made a lot of trades where he overpaid, making the McNabb deal one of many. Not some one off anomaly to get rid of a guy.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

Things will get interesting if the Sabres manage to make the playoffs. That probably buys Adams another two years of tenure while missing the playoffs.

Love him (Bueller, anybody?) or hate him, I have to think he's gone if they miss this year.

 

[Zman5778]

Things will get interesting if the Sabres manage to make the playoffs. That probably buys Adams another two years of tenure while missing the playoffs.

Love him (Bueller, anybody?) or hate him, I have to think he's gone if they miss this year.

Hate to say it, but I think the manner of the miss matters. We're currently 1 point out of the playoffs with at least 1 game in hand over the teams directly in front of us....and we're currently 2 points out of 3rd seed in the terribly mid Atlantic.

If we end with a point total somewhere in the 90s and just barely miss -- I think we'll hear a lot of "We're on the right track" and talk of "stability" as a reason to bring back Ruff and Adams.

I think it'd take a full-on "collapse" and being like 10+ points back of a playoff spot in order for Adams to be in any real danger.

Not saying I like it......just saying I think that's the way it's going to go.

 

[Fjordy]

Hate to say it, but I think the manner of the miss matters. We're currently 1 point out of the playoffs with at least 1 game in hand over the teams directly in front of us....and we're currently 2 points out of 3rd seed in the terribly mid Atlantic.

If we end with a point total somewhere in the 90s and just barely miss -- I think we'll hear a lot of "We're on the right track" and talk of "stability" as a reason to bring back Ruff and Adams.

I think it'd take a full-on "collapse" and being like 10+ points back of a playoff spot in order for Adams to be in any real danger.

Not saying I like it......just saying I think that's the way it's going to go.

I think he will be fired if they don't make the playoffs, even before the season there were hints that heads would roll. But here we still need to see how many points the team will score, how Adams will work at the TDL. In fact, Adams did not provide a good roster to a coach who is trying to squeeze everything out of the youngest team in the league. That's my opinion.

We're in a tough spot. Boston is starting to win and they have this damn experience. Detroit is one point behind, even though it seemed like they were far away. Philly and the Torts are always fighting. Even Ottawa and the Islanders are one win away from us, so it's going to be tough.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

Hate to say it, but I think the manner of the miss matters. We're currently 1 point out of the playoffs with at least 1 game in hand over the teams directly in front of us....and we're currently 2 points out of 3rd seed in the terribly mid Atlantic.

If we end with a point total somewhere in the 90s and just barely miss -- I think we'll hear a lot of "We're on the right track" and talk of "stability" as a reason to bring back Ruff and Adams.

I think it'd take a full-on "collapse" and being like 10+ points back of a playoff spot in order for Adams to be in any real danger.

Not saying I like it......just saying I think that's the way it's going to go.

Is there an emoji or 30-letter German word that encapsulates "you might well be right, and that disgusts me"?

 

[Chainshot]

Is there an emoji or 30-letter German word that encapsulates "you might well be right, and that disgusts me"?

There are a lot of comments about what they should and shouldn't do that probably would be answered by "Ich verstehe nur Bahnhof" if we're going for German.

 

[toddkaz]

I think he will be fired if they don't make the playoffs, even before the season there were hints that heads would roll. But here we still need to see how many points the team will score, how Adams will work at the TDL. In fact, Adams did not provide a good roster to a coach who is trying to squeeze everything out of the youngest team in the league. That's my opinion.

We're in a tough spot. Boston is starting to win and they have this damn experience. Detroit is one point behind, even though it seemed like they were far away. Philly and the Torts are always fighting. Even Ottawa and the Islanders are one win away from us, so it's going to be tough.

Hey thats why I asked that question about Adams, if he knows the deficiencies in the roster. It does feels like his job is on the line and maybe we make the playoffs and maybe we don't but we have a much better chance if we get a top 4 right handed defenseman and maybe top 6.

It leaves you wondering
1) Is his job secure no matter what?
2) Is he capable of making the trades needed?
3) Does he even see it?
4) Will Pegula fire him if we miss the playoffs?
5) Does Adams know the heat is on him?

I see no urgency in Adams process so it makes one wonder if he is aware of the situation.

 

[Fjordy]

Hey thats why I asked that question about Adams, if he knows the deficiencies in the roster. It does feels like his job is on the line and maybe we make the playoffs and maybe we don't but we have a much better chance if we get a top 4 right handed defenseman and maybe top 6.

It leaves you wondering
1) Is his job secure no matter what?
2) Is he capable of making the trades needed?
3) Does he even see it?
4) Will Pegula fire him if we miss the playoffs?
5) Does Adams know the heat is on him?

I see no urgency in Adams process so it makes one wonder if he is aware of the situation.

Well, he can't not know, he probably watches games, some stats, talks to Lindy. It's hard for me to get into Terry's head, but before the season, insiders said it like this: playoff or bust, so I think Adams is in the hot seat, after all, five years is a long time. And our roster is obviously far from ideal, which means it's up to the GM.

 

[toddkaz]

Well, he can't not know, he probably watches games, some stats, talks to Lindy. It's hard for me to get into Terry's head, but before the season, insiders said it like this: playoff or bust, so I think Adams is in the hot seat, after all, five years is a long time. And our roster is obviously far from ideal, which means it's up to the GM.

I am just sick of losing and sometimes it feels like Pegula would rather have his ass kissed than win.

 

[Ace]

Adams:

"I'm trying to improve the roster, I'm open to any deals."

"One GM called me a bastard, another GM tried to sell me a used vacuum cleaner instead of a top 6 forward."

"Pizza time guys"

1. Given how long he’s been saying this…At this point he’s either lying or completely incompetent

2. I bet 30 GMs have called him worse for wasting their time. The GM he’s mocking is better at his job than Adams is. He thinks so little of you he assumes you’ll circle back out of desperation. He’s probably right.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Is the clock ticking ? Do In season GM changes change anything ?

What leaks to insiders or Harrington this week to save his job ?

 

[slip]

"It's hard being an NHL GM."

-- Kevyn Adams sometime in the near future.

 

[toddkaz]

"It's hard being an NHL GM."

-- Kevyn Adams sometime in the near future.

You left out...

"No one hates losing more than me. I am really trying here guys. I am working the phones every day."

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

Again the time to do something was in the off-season (definitely at the draft) but awh shucks Kevyn f***ing Adams didn't do anything per f***ing usual!

Terry, f***ing hire someone who has some actual GM experience! Just write the check and stay the f*** out of hockey operations!

 

[Ace]

This remains a fireable offense and only gets more relevant as the season goes on.

It’s a begging to be fired when it doesn’t work out….again…quote.

 

[MagnumForce2]

Eichel for Tuch, Krebs, and Johnson ain’t no Mogilny for Peca, McKee, Warrener (via Wilson).

Agreed. Not waiting for the AHL cavalry to ride in and save us. Those are encouraging prospects to help round out the roster, nothing more. The real work has already begun, and this roster is it, for better or worse.

For all his flaws, I still think Adams had his best offseason. But to quote Dee Snyder, “if that’s your best, your best won’t do.” He simply lacks the chops to pull off the money trade or trades. Some Murray overpayment is probably necessary to make the final couple of vet moves needed to bring consistency and game preparedness to the lineup. But scared money don’t make money, and Adams is clearly a GM who’s more afraid to fail than do what’s necessary to succeed.

I like the Twisted Sister reference

 

[MagnumForce2]

Or we could go with what was actually reported on at the time, unlike the rumor you’re spreading.

That LaFontaine and Murray disagreed on the direction of the rebuild and were butting heads. Murray wanted to go hard into tanking and Patty did not. A very visible fight on that front was over what to do with Ryan Miller. Patty wanted to extend him, Murray did not. It got to the point that Pegula had to get involved and decide which vision to move forward with. He sided with Murray and not long after Patty quit.

Pegula’s f*** up was hiring Patty in the first place. It’s dumb enough to impulsively hire a POHO after a nice dinner with him. No need to make up more drama on top of that.

It’s always been weird to me that posters look for conspiracies with Pegula at the time and miss the obvious f*** up by Patty. He was given a free hand to hire his own GM. He handled the search. So how did he f*** up so bad he never realized the guy he hired wanted to completely gut the organization? I mean they were butting heads about 2-3months after Murray got hired. You would think this would have been discussed during the interview.

Plus Murray made a lot of trades where he overpaid, making the McNabb deal one of many. Not some one off anomaly to get rid of a guy.

Murray was terrible! He tried to rush the rebuild. We needed to tank and be a bottom feeder 1 more year and hopefully draft Matthews to join Eichel and Reinhart.

 

[zenthusiast]

Workshopping this:


Kevyn bAdams

 

[Ehran]

I'm expecting a contract extension for KA in 5.... 4.... 3... 2..... 1.....

 

[Fjordy]

Well this guy can't handle it.

 

[Panthaz89]

Well this guy can't handle it.

hopefully this season is the ticking time bomb for his job.

 

[Fjordy]

hopefully this season is the ticking time bomb for his job.

He should be in the hot seat by now. I knew going into the season that this roster was far from perfect, he had five years and still put the youngest team on the ice with some serious holes in the lineup.