Kevyn Adams GM thread

[Jim Bob]

Jeremy White. The Sabres are a trainwreck. The organization/owner needs to move Adams, and either promote Karmanos or bring in someone like Ryan Miller or Michael Peca to run the team.

He got one part of that equation correct.

But miss me with the next GM being yet another rookie NHL GM. Especially guys like Miller or Peca just because they are former Sabres like Grier, Drury, and Briere.

At least Karmanos has a decent AGM resume. I would not like that move. But, that would be miles better than Miller or Peca especially since Pegula would not hire a POHO or senior advisor to the GM that is a respected former GM like Ken Holland or Brian Burke that could help mentor the rookie GM with next to no resume that says they are ready to be an NHL GM.

 

[TehDoak]

Any firing that involves them bringing in someone with no front office experience is just extending the streak a few more years

 

[May Day 10]

No to karmanos, or anyone else in that building. They desperately need outside perspective and someone with no ties to nightingale, Crowe, appert, and the rest of the clown car of grifters there.

and holy smokes no to Ryan Miller. If they like peca, and the new poho sees fit, make him an AGM if he wants and get experience for awhile

 

[ValJamesDuex]

No to karmanos, or anyone else in that building. They desperately need outside perspective and someone with no ties to nightingale, Crowe, appert, and the rest of the clown car of grifters there.

and holy smokes no to Ryan Miller. If they like peca, and the new poho sees fit, make him an AGM if he wants and get experience for awhile

Miller is not leaving California in my opinion where is wife's career (actress) is.

We will see how Grier evolves in San Jose but that might be the one former player who looks like he has a clear plan, feel for the job, and is not afraid to make moves.

 

[jc17]

Which experienced GMs do people want?

Everyone available has been fired and has warts, so you either need someone who you feel was unjustly fired,or smart enough to learn from their previous stops.

There's obviously the hard no's like Benning and chiarelli. Who are some guys we'd want to entertain?

 

[Fjordsen]

Which experienced GMs do people want?

Everyone available has been fired and has warts, so you either need someone who you feel was unjustly fired,or smart enough to learn from their previous stops.

There's obviously the hard no's like Benning and chiarelli. Who are some guys we'd want to entertain?

I want Jarmo.

He's experienced, a good negotiator, mostly a good draft pick, including Russian guys, and he's not afraid to make deals. He's certainly not perfect, but out of the experienced GMs, I think he's the most normal option. I just think guys like Holland, Lombardi, Wilson aren't going to become GM in Buffalo, They would probably look at the role of POHO.

 

[Beerz]

For now I would want Jarmo but who knows if someone else shakes free this offseason

 

[Fjordsen]

For now I would want Jarmo but who knows if someone else shakes free this offseason

Can we predict that and potentially who would you like, there are definitely GMs out there that are probably not right for us,

 

[TehDoak]

Which experienced GMs do people want?

Everyone available has been fired and has warts, so you either need someone who you feel was unjustly fired,or smart enough to learn from their previous stops.

There's obviously the hard no's like Benning and chiarelli. Who are some guys we'd want to entertain?

Off the top of my head:

As a President/Advisor to help with building a new front office:

Ken Holland as a president/advisor role
Dean Lombardi, former LAK GM being a senior advisor for the Flyers (would be fine with him being GM and a succession plan to a younger GM in a few years)

Actual GM Job:

Ray Shero, Built the penguins 2010 Cup team from the ground up/Devils GM for several years

Jarmo Kekäläinen - longtime blue Jackets GM ​

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[sabremike]

I want Jarmo.

He's experienced, a good negotiator, mostly a good draft pick, including Russian guys, and he's not afraid to make deals. He's certainly not perfect, but out of the experienced GMs, I think he's the most normal option. I just think guys like Holland, Lombardi, Wilson aren't going to become GM in Buffalo, They would probably look at the role of POHO.

If you want a guy willing to take insane and suicidal risks he's definitely the guy.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

If you want a guy willing to take insane and suicidal risks he's definitely the guy.

I just went through Jarmo's trade list and nothing stands out as something that turned out that awful in retrospect.

 

[Fjordsen]

If you want a guy willing to take insane and suicidal risks he's definitely the guy.

I didn't quite understand what you were talking about.

I just went through Jarmo's trade list and nothing stands out as something that turned out that awful in retrospect.

I think he is a good option, he puts many flags for me and he could also draw certain conclusions from his latest work and how not to do it.

 

[Jim Bob]

I think he is a good option, he puts many flags for me and he could also draw certain conclusions from his latest work and how not to do it.

Every experienced GM that is available has been fired and has some bad moves on his resume.

I mean, there were people that flamed Vegas for hiring GMGM as their first GM. And that worked out OK.

I am all for hiring Jarmo and him hiring a bunch of Clarkson grads.

 

[Fjordsen]

Every experienced GM that is available has been fired and has some bad moves on his resume.

I mean, there were people that flamed Vegas for hiring GMGM as their first GM. And that worked out OK.

I am all for hiring Jarmo and him hiring a bunch of Clarkson grads.

Well, obviously, every GM has his mistakes, even Zito.

I didn't understand about Clarkson.

 

[sabremike]

I just went through Jarmo's trade list and nothing stands out as something that turned out that awful in retrospect.

I'm talking about trades he DIDN'T make.

He saw the Isles get Pajama Boy'd and the very next season went "Hold my beer..."

 

[Jim Bob]

I didn't understand about Clarkson.

Both Jarmo and myself are graduates of Clarkson University in Potsdam, NY.

He hired fellow Clarkson grad Chris Clark in Columbus. Chris is still the Jackets Director of Player Personnel and the GM of their AHL team after Jarmo was let go.

He also had Clarkson grad Todd White as a pro scout.

My time at Clarkson overlapped with Clark & White and I worked for the hockey team while they were there.

And there are other Clarkson grads working around the league such as Craig Conroy (Flames GM) and Buffalo native Todd Marchant (Sharks Director of Player Development).

 

[TehDoak]

On the bright side, every embarrassing home loss is one loss closer to Adams being gone.

There is a breaking point where it will be impossible to bring him back. If we haven't gone over the line yet, it's got to be close.

 

[Tatanka]

On the bright side, every embarrassing home loss is one loss closer to Adams being gone.

There is a breaking point where it will be impossible to bring him back. If we haven't gone over the line yet, it's got to be close.

Keep dreaming…it is all we have left.

 

[TageGod]

Hire a president, use crowd source GM. President gets a veto option in case trolls try and do dumb things. If majority says yes, we trade Joker for futures as an example, or we sign Zucker 5.5x3, etc.

 

[sabremike]

On the bright side, every embarrassing home loss is one loss closer to Adams being gone.

There is a breaking point where it will be impossible to bring him back. If we haven't gone over the line yet, it's got to be close.

There is no breaking point, the owner is a slumlord who no longer cares about the toy he destroyed. Kevyn is a loyal crony who has the job for as long as he wants it.

 

[jc17]

On the Jeremy White thing, not that I'd root for it but if we did go with another nostalgia hire (yikes!) my vote would be for vanek.

He would go on with peters and rivet, and actually spoke very intelligently, and was pretty in touch with players and teams league-wide. I would not be surprised if he eventually holds that kind of role somewhere

 

[Fezzy126]

Which experienced GMs do people want?

Everyone available has been fired and has warts, so you either need someone who you feel was unjustly fired,or smart enough to learn from their previous stops.

There's obviously the hard no's like Benning and chiarelli. Who are some guys we'd want to entertain?

Not gonna be a popular take, but I don't get the cries for experience. It's been pointed out ad nauseum that the most successful GMs are often rookie GMs. I really don't give a shit about experience, I didn't when I preferred Zito and people were clamoring for guys like Burke or Benning. Guys like Tulsky and Fitzgerald also seem to be doing just fine. Just find someone smart.

Almost every team have robust training, scouting, and analytics departments that are responsible for 95% of the actual work when it comes to drafting, development, and trades opportunities. So IMO it's not as easy to be "smarter" than everyone else anymore, in the way that the Red Wings used to be by unearthing hidden gems via their European scouts.

GMs don't do player evals or make trades, they create the overall vision and manage a team of personnel dedicated to these tasks. Our personnel department has been gutted and rebuilt, with some people surviving the past 4 GMs, so not sure how many more times a franchise can do that. Bottom line, if you have a problem with GMKA, it should focus on his vision for the team and the pathway for improvement, not past experience.

 

[May Day 10]

Not gonna be a popular take, but I don't get the cries for experience. It's been pointed out ad nauseum that the most successful GMs are often rookie GMs. I really don't give a shit about experience, I didn't when I preferred Zito and people were clamoring for guys like Burke or Benning. Guys like Tulsky and Fitzgerald also seem to be doing just fine. Just find someone smart.

Almost every team have robust training, scouting, and analytics departments that are responsible for 95% of the actual work when it comes to drafting, development, and trades opportunities. So IMO it's not as easy to be "smarter" than everyone else anymore, in the way that the Red Wings used to be by unearthing hidden gems via their European scouts.

GMs don't do player evals or make trades, they create the overall vision and manage a team of personnel dedicated to these tasks. Our personnel department has been gutted and rebuilt, with some people surviving the past 4 GMs, so not sure how many more times a franchise can do that. Bottom line, if you have a problem with GMKA, it should focus on his vision for the team and the pathway for improvement, not past experience.

In my opinion, heavy experience and credibility is desperately needed for the poho role. No other move is going to save this franchise. Underneath the poho, I'm fine with a rookie gm.

The experience and credibility is important because the Sabres have no credibility on all fronts, media, fans, nhlpa, probably potential employees, front office staff, etc.

Also, the repairs needed are pretty much... total. The whole thing needs to be reset, rebranded, restructured, and re-staffed. I want experience and the most extensive rolodex for that.

Experience with a poho will also give him better ability to navigate dealing with the simpleton of an owner they have, keep him at bay and feeling heard or happy or however else he wants to feel

 

[Fjordsen]

Not gonna be a popular take, but I don't get the cries for experience. It's been pointed out ad nauseum that the most successful GMs are often rookie GMs. I really don't give a shit about experience, I didn't when I preferred Zito and people were clamoring for guys like Burke or Benning. Guys like Tulsky and Fitzgerald also seem to be doing just fine. Just find someone smart.

Almost every team have robust training, scouting, and analytics departments that are responsible for 95% of the actual work when it comes to drafting, development, and trades opportunities. So IMO it's not as easy to be "smarter" than everyone else anymore, in the way that the Red Wings used to be by unearthing hidden gems via their European scouts.

GMs don't do player evals or make trades, they create the overall vision and manage a team of personnel dedicated to these tasks. Our personnel department has been gutted and rebuilt, with some people surviving the past 4 GMs, so not sure how many more times a franchise can do that. Bottom line, if you have a problem with GMKA, it should focus on his vision for the team and the pathway for improvement, not past experience.

Tulsky and Zito have been learning from experienced guys for many years, and Zito has also received many advisers over himself.

I'm not fixated on experience, but who's going to look for a GM? If it's Terry, I have a problem with that. I agree that you can find a good GM who's not very experienced, but the question is who's going to look for him.

 

[Chainshot]

In my opinion, heavy experience and credibility is desperately needed for the poho role. No other move is going to save this franchise. Underneath the poho, I'm fine with a rookie gm.

This. Very much this. Please.