Injury Report: Kevin Klein - Post #1 For All Updates: Klein says he's good to go!

[nevesis]

“@AGrossRecord: Rangers say they are hoping to have an update on Kevin Klein this afternoon. That's not a definite.”

 

[Vitto79]

At least hes got a month to recover.

yea playoffs matter so just hope its 2-3 weeks at worst and hes back for a week before playoffs

 

[Hire Sather]

At least I back it up.

Where's your proof McIlrath will "disgrace the roster"? Go ahead, I'll wait.

Back it up with what? Some numbers that don't tell the whole story?

Just because you have a stat for something doesn't mean you "backed it up"

My "proof" is that every game I've watched McIlrath play on the pro squad he has been slow, made bad decisions and quite frankly looked like he was playing at a level that was too high for him.

I don't have any numbers for you, though. I know that you think your numbers are better than actually just watching and evaluating, and you actually believe Girardi is a bad player

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing, but by both sides, those who want him up and who don't want him recalled. Both are exaggerating the truth.

Hopefully Klein isn't out long, but Hunwick is fine for now.

I'm not a McIlrath fan and I'm still skeptical about his ability to take a regular shift at the NHL level, even as a 6 but you have to be the biggest hater to say that he hasn't taken a pretty big step forward this season. Its not the quantum leap that I've seen written about by a few regular pack viewers, but hes gotten a lot better.

If Klein is down for a while hes worthy of a call up. Id much rather see what he can do now when the games have some meaning rather than trying to make a decision on him next fall based off of a handful of pre season games where he'll be out on the ice against mostly other AHL players and non roster invitees.

 

[nevesis]

Back it up with what? Some numbers that don't tell the whole story?

Just because you have a stat for something doesn't mean you "backed it up"

My "proof" is that every game I've watched McIlrath play on the pro squad he has been slow, made bad decisions and quite frankly looked like he was playing at a level that was too high for him.

I don't have any numbers for you, though. I know that you think your numbers are better than actually just watching and evaluating, and you actually believe Girardi is a bad player

A bunch of idiots on twitter literally posted data that showed Kostka having a better corsi % than Klein, thus making the point that he would be a suitable, if not better replacement for him.

Un****ingreal.

 

[Raspewtin]

Back it up with what? Some numbers that don't tell the whole story?

Numbers in multiple instances, with plenty of context, actually. It's not half of the lazy argument you paint it to be.

Just because you have a stat for something doesn't mean you "backed it up"

Providing proof is actually backing up a point, JSYK.

My "proof" is that every game I've watched McIlrath play on the pro squad he has been slow, made bad decisions and quite frankly looked like he was playing at a level that was too high for him.

Wow, one game, in November, with 2 NHL defensemen, against one of the best teams in the league? You must be an expert.

I don't have any numbers for you, though. I know that you think your numbers are better than actually just watching and evaluating, and you actually believe Girardi is a bad player

I'm amazed at the countless studies and literature that's out there that explains just how ****ing awful humans are at making concrete judgments with their very flawed and biased eyes and brains, yet sports fans still think all you need to do is "watch the games bruh".

 

[silverfish]

Back it up with what? Some numbers that don't tell the whole story?

Just because you have a stat for something doesn't mean you "backed it up"

My "proof" is that every game I've watched McIlrath play on the pro squad he has been slow, made bad decisions and quite frankly looked like he was playing at a level that was too high for him.

I don't have any numbers for you, though. I know that you think your numbers are better than actually just watching and evaluating, and you actually believe Girardi is a bad player

Three games, and one this season?

This is sufficient, for sure.

Watch or read up on the Wolf Pack.

This argument is almost more ridiculous than the Cam vs. Hank argument.

And it's interesting you're using the game this season as bait. He was on the ice for 9 minutes. Had a good scrap. And was +6 in scoring chance differential.

The goal against he was on the ice for wasn't even his fault. It was an over commit by the whole team (if I remember correctly) and he got hung out to dry flat-footed against Tarasenko coming full speed down the ice who still needed to make a highlight reel move on Lundqvist to tap it in.

 

[Raspewtin]

A bunch of idiots on twitter literally posted data that showed Kostka having a better corsi % than Klein, thus making the point that he would be a suitable, if not better replacement for him.

Un****ingreal.

There was exactly one tweet that said "he might" be better.

 

[Hire Sather]

Three games, and one this season?

This is sufficient, for sure.

Watch or read up on the Wolf Pack.

This argument is almost more ridiculous than the Cam vs. Hank argument.

Yes the three games and one this season. He was bad enough that I find it hard to believe he will be that much better a couple months later.

Before he played that game I heard the same from the Wolfpack watchers about how much he has improved, then I saw the same thing. It also says a little about what NYR think of him when he is sent down the moment one of the other D got healthy.

I don't watch the Pack at all, so yeah. But I've literally heard the same song for the last 2 seasons about him and hes been bad in every game I've seen him play.

 

[nevesis]

There was exactly one tweet that said "he might" be better.

Take a look at this thread, and if you use the search function on twitter you will find many other discussions about it.

https://twitter.com/mburnshockey/status/575858443711610881/photo/1

 

[a tribe cq]

I don't watch the Pack at all, so yeah

That'll be enough.

 

[Raspewtin]

Take a look at this thread, and if you use the search function on twitter you will find many other discussions about it.

https://twitter.com/mburnshockey/status/575858443711610881/photo/1

He didn't even say "Kostka is better"....

 

[silverfish]

Yes the three games and one this season. He was bad enough that I find it hard to believe he will be that much better a couple months later.

Before he played that game I heard the same from the Wolfpack watchers about how much he has improved, then I saw the same thing. It also says a little about what NYR think of him when he is sent down the moment one of the other D got healthy.

I don't watch the Pack at all, so yeah. But I've literally heard the same song for the last 2 seasons about him and hes been bad in every game I've seen him play.

This is absurdly preposterous. How do you not see how ridiculous these statements are?

Really? You find it hard to believe that a young player in the peak of his development curve has steadily improved while staying healthy playing top-pair minutes in the AHL over a couple of months? Why?

It's not the same. At all. He's getting top-pair minutes and excelling. You'd know this if you read about the Wolf Pack or watched the games. You are making blind assumptions. He got taken out because AV wanted to keep L-R pairs in tact. He didn't want McIlrath playing on the left-side. How unbelievable that McIlrath was taken out of the lineup when Dan Boyle got healthy. Terrible. Bust.

You don't watch the Pack at all, so don't make assumptions based off three NHL games.

This board is a nightmare with some people.

Cam > Hank because sv%, and sample size doesn't matter.

I don't believe McIlrath is going to be good because he's been "poor" in three career NHL games and I find it hard to believe that young players can develop over the course of a few months.

Never change, some posters on HFNYR. Never change.

 

[Miamipuck]

Yes the three games and one this season. He was bad enough that I find it hard to believe he will be that much better a couple months later.

Before he played that game I heard the same from the Wolfpack watchers about how much he has improved, then I saw the same thing. It also says a little about what NYR think of him when he is sent down the moment one of the other D got healthy.

I don't watch the Pack at all, so yeah. But I've literally heard the same song for the last 2 seasons about him and hes been bad in every game I've seen him play.

Actually no you didn't and that's making stuff up. IN the beginning of the season the reports from people that actually watch McIrath were disappointing. He started the season slow, so there's that.

 

[JohnC]

My "proof" is that every game I've watched McIlrath play on the pro squad he has been slow, made bad decisions and quite frankly looked like he was playing at a level that was too high for him.

It's been 129 days since McIlrath played for the pro squad on 11/03/2014

323 days between then and the game before on 12/15/2013

3 days since he played his first NHL game on 12/12/2013

It's been 455 days since his first game, 452 since his second game, and 129 days since his third (and last) game

 

[Raspewtin]

Yes the three games and one this season. He was bad enough that I find it hard to believe he will be that much better a couple months later.

Before he played that game I heard the same from the Wolfpack watchers about how much he has improved, then I saw the same thing. It also says a little about what NYR think of him when he is sent down the moment one of the other D got healthy.

I don't watch the Pack at all, so yeah. But I've literally heard the same song for the last 2 seasons about him and hes been bad in every game I've seen him play.

I like how you admit to being totally ignorant about McIlrath and then proceed to make concrete judgements about his NHL potential right now.

 

[nevesis]

He didn't even say "Kostka is better"....

Stop being so literal and look at the tweet. The data charts are saying it. You're impossible to have discussions with when you act like this.

 

[Hire Sather]

Numbers in multiple instances, with plenty of context, actually. It's not half of the lazy argument you paint it to be.

Providing proof is actually backing up a point, JSYK.

Wow, one game, in November, with 2 NHL defensemen, against one of the best teams in the league? You must be an expert.

I'm amazed at the countless studies and literature that's out there that explains just how ****ing awful humans are at making concrete judgments with their very flawed and biased eyes and brains, yet sports fans still think all you need to do is "watch the games bruh".

I used to be totally against the advanced stats, and even though I haven't taken the time to fully understand all of their meanings, I have started to at least accept them a little more.

But to take it to the extreme that you do, routinely calling Girardi awful, saying his contract is terrible etc is just taking it too far.

His poor possession stats don't show the smart stick play or the smart positioning that G often makes when the other team is possessing the puck.

And yeah. All I can go on with McIlrath is the games I've seen him play. Its only one game this season, but I truly believe he was really, really bad.

Someone mentioned a scrap. I don't care about fights at all. That is neither a positive or negative to me, its a non factor. If the strongest part of his game is his fighting and toughness, he is playing about 15 years too late.

 

[nevesis]

Update per Zipay

He left the arena with his arm wrapped, but it was not in a sling.

Only silver lining I can take from the info we have at this time...

 

[Raspewtin]

Stop being so literal and look at the tweet. The data charts are saying it. You're impossible to have discussions with when you act like this.

You said "idiots said Kostka is better"

And he didn't actually say that.

What are you missing here?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I used to be totally against the advanced stats, and even though I haven't taken the time to fully understand all of their meanings, I have started to at least accept them a little more.

But to take it to the extreme that you do, routinely calling Girardi awful, saying his contract is terrible etc is just taking it too far.

His poor possession stats don't show the smart stick play or the smart positioning that G often makes when the other team is possessing the puck.

And yeah. All I can go on with McIlrath is the games I've seen him play. Its only one game this season, but I truly believe he was really, really bad.

Someone mentioned a scrap. I don't care about fights at all. That is neither a positive or negative to me, its a non factor. If the strongest part of his game is his fighting and toughness, he is playing about 15 years too late.

Based on what?

Seriously what did he do in that game that makes you think he was really, really bad? Because if you point to the Tarasenko goal, you're better off just bowing out of this one.

 

[Raspewtin]

I used to be totally against the advanced stats, and even though I haven't taken the time to fully understand all of their meanings, I have started to at least accept them a little more.

But to take it to the extreme that you do, routinely calling Girardi awful, saying his contract is terrible etc is just taking it too far.

What is taking it so far? I don't understand, it's a ****ing opinion. People on this website act like I have a life or death crusade against Girardi. I just hate his contract relative to his actual playing ability. You can ****ing ignore me, I don't care. It's a discussion website, people will have differing opinions.

His poor possession stats don't show the smart stick play or the smart positioning that G often makes when the other team is possessing the puck.

His neutral zone positioning being utter garbage is a large part of why his stats are so bad but alright.

And yeah. All I can go on with McIlrath is the games I've seen him play. Its only one game this season, but I truly believe he was really, really bad.

Someone mentioned a scrap. I don't care about fights at all. That is neither a positive or negative to me, its a non factor. If the strongest part of his game is his fighting and toughness, he is playing about 15 years too late.

If all you can go by are the three games you've seen him, why do you feel they're sufficient enough to make a strong judgment?

 

[Mac n Gs]

Kostka's HERO chart also shows him being better than Shea Weber. Ever think that Kostka is just an example of good fancy stats, but actual bad play on the ice?

This is the perfect timee to bring up McIlrath and let him get some games under his belt.

 

[Mac n Gs]

What is taking it so far? I don't understand, it's a ****ing opinion. People on this website act like I have a life or death crusade against Girardi. I just hate his contract relative to his actual playing ability. You can ****ing ignore me, I don't care. It's a discussion website, people will have differing opinions.



His neutral zone positioning being utter garbage is a large part of why his stats are so bad but alright.



If all you can go by are the three games you've seen him, why do you feel they're sufficient enough to make a strong judgment?

Do people realize that you do think he's a good defenseman, but you just think he's poorly suited for the role he's asked to play? I don't understand how many more times you'll have to make this opinion clear before people understand.

 

[nevesis]

Ever think that Kostka is just an example of good fancy stats, but actual bad play on the ice?

More that those types of fancy statistics tell only one side of a very large, dense and complex story.