Confirmed with Link: Kevin Hayes to Pens

[Ugene Magic]

Cant complain about a free pick along with a potentially productive player

Nothing is free... 3.5 for 2 more years.

 

[vodeni]

everyone says free...what does future consideration mean?

 

[OnMyOwn]

if this is the direction why bother giving Sid, geno, letang contracts and why not trade them, thats how you collect assests (Jake trade for that matter was OK in theory) not by getting one second and still tease us with Sid and others...I don't understand, just blow everything up for some real assets and prospects, all you do with these medicre assts picking is making misery long long term.

Nah I think it’s keeping a competitive enough team that you can either trade guys off of or make an add at the deadline depending on where they are.

If you straight up sell and blow it up with Sid that’s just a disservice to him.

 

[BeaverTail]

Not sure why people are pretending Hayes is some extremely old useless player. He just turned 32 last month. He is a serviceable 3rd line center. Put up 54 points a year ago. Id love to see Eller moved for another asset. Getting the extra draft pick could be packaged to possibly move Graves and that gives cap savings.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'm not sure how anyone could be complaining about this trade.

He's not making an absurd amount of money, $3.5M for 2 years. The best case scenario is he has a season like he did in 2022-2023 and we trade him for more draft capital or keep him for another season as our third line center.

We get a free 2nd round pick for next season and we strengthen our depth at center. Ponomarev is 22, it's not like he's a 26 year old being blocked from coming up and contributing. This is a good move. This is something Yzerman would do and I'm all for it. Low risk, high reward.

Also both Ponomarev and Hayes can shift to the wing as well, it's not just C or nothing for them.

 

[vodeni]

Nothing is free... 3.5 for 2 more years.

I was told we are tanking so cap space does not matter we are not trying to be competitive

 

[Bishop7979]

Now dubas turns around and buys him out just to say screw you to the flyers and saddle them with 4 years of buy out costs they were not expecting.

 

[Turin]

Nothing is free... 3.5 for 2 more years.

Cap is gonna be close to 100 mil by next offseason.

 

[vodeni]

Nah I think it’s keeping a competitive enough team that you can either trade guys off of or make an add at the deadline depending on where they are.

If you straight up sell and blow it up with Sid that’s just a disservice to him.

I understand general idea, but this would work 2018, 2019 when sid and geno could have carried water, not now, they need decent players that can drive...just watch, unless something drastically change (Coach) it will be hard to watch

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Damnded of Dubas does damned if he doesn't.

He got a 2nd rounder for 2 years of a player at 3.5

I would love to retain 50% and send him off elsewhere for a 3rd in the future.

 

[Mr. T]

Not enthusiastic about getting blander and staying older.

Buy a convertible. Get your ear pierced. Dye your hair. Lots of ways to reclaim that youthful vigor.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I understand that but that never works in any facets of life, thats something that would have worked 2018, 2019, now this will be just one sad story for a while

Well the alternative is what then? Go all-in to make the playoffs, burn assets and lose in R1 to the beasts of the East?
Getting any assets in years you're destined to lose in is a W by default. The more, the better. Three 2nds in this draft is a very good thing.

 

[Coastal Kev]

everyone says free...what does future consideration mean?

Being a Pirates fan, it can mean very bad things.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

Now dubas turns around and buys him out just to say screw you to the flyers and saddle them with 4 years of buy out costs they were not expecting.

 

[Rakell67]

The upside is that Hayes might actually help the Pens add more offense from the 3rd line.

Could be a net front option for the PP too.

 

[vodeni]

Damnded of Dubas does damned if he doesn't.

He got a 2nd rounder for 2 years of a player at 3.5

I would love to retain 50% and send him off elsewhere for a 3rd in the future.

I would live with that fine

Could be a net front option for the PP too.

can't wait...

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Only way I'm ok with this is if Acciari or Eller are also dealt.

Hayes taking a roster spot means another has to be opened.

 

[LiffLaff]

Hayes is not a player I particularly like, as he's slow, and not physical at all, but i still don't mind this trade really. Should be a half decent bottom six center for us, and gives us another lottery ticket for next year, and who knows, if he does well you might be able to get another pick out of this at the deadline the year his deal is up. As for blowing it all up, Hextall pretty much made that impossible by giving everyone and their mother legacy contracts with trade protection.

 

[Gurglesons]

It's a meh trade.

it's depressing that our franchise probably views Kevin Hayes as a positive.

Also, it's hilarious that Dubas has been preaching "youth and hungry players" and we brought in an absolute chump like Hayes who is 32.

 

[SEALBound]

If I'm Dubas, at the presser, I'd merely say:

"You people were going to bitch no matter what I did. No matter what I say, half will be happy, half with piss and moan. You get nothing. f*** off"

 

[TimmyD]

everyone says free...what does future consideration mean?

My guess is it’s like a 7th somewhere down the line or a nothing prospect. That’s usually what these deals look like

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Damnded of Dubas does damned if he doesn't.

He got a 2nd rounder for 2 years of a player at 3.5

I would love to retain 50% and send him off elsewhere for a 3rd in the future.

Are we even certain he's gonna be that bad? He had 56 points in 2022-23, on a trash team with defensive-minded Torts as coach.
Eller improved from his previous season here, at age 34. Letang was better at 36 than 35. Carter was better at 39 than 38.

Hayes is 32.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

It's a meh trade.

it's depressing that our franchise probably views Kevin Hayes as a positive.

Also, it's hilarious that Dubas has been preaching "youth and hungry players" and we brought in an absolute chump like Hayes who is 32.

He's younger then Jeff Carter so by that he was technically correct right?

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Are we even certain he's gonna be that bad? He had 56 points in 2022-23, on a trash team with defensive-minded Torts as coach.
Eller improved from his previous season here, at age 34. Letang was better at 36 than 35. Carter was better at 39 than 38.

Hayes is 32.

He definitely could bounce back.

Over a full season with pp2 duties. 15 goals 25 assists with let's say bad D is 100% possible.

We took him for a 2nd and for that I am down to watch him be good or bad.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

My guess is it’s like a 7th somewhere down the line or a nothing prospect. That’s usually what these deals look like

If that, more often then not it just ends up being nothing.