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Berglund, Stewart and a 1st round pick are a nice consolation prize
I know, I know, they do not = what we traded to get him but if we had to cut our losses because it was best in managing our assets then I wouldn't be all that upset
I don't want to trade him but if push came to shove..
He's no longer our property in 2 years time
stakesishigh
how swede it is
My main hope/worry is whether or not he wants to re-sign here. After that, it's just a matter of getting him on a half decent contract for as long as possible. We should attempt to keep him to the best of our ability.
Can you imagine if Kessel walked? That would be an utter disaster.
Can you imagine if Kessel walked? That would be an utter disaster.
Mess
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As it best current player Kessel is the present face of the franchise by default, but unfortunately he is also the poster child for everything that is wrong about this team.
He is small, soft, easily intimidated, weak defensively, soft spoken, avoids the media and lacks any leadership ability and his presence doesn't make any impact on success outside of the goals he scores. Even that is offset by a near team leading worst negative plus/minus, putting him on the ice for far more goals against then for in the process. That ends up hurting more than helping your team in the big picture when your a defensive liability on the ice.
Fans always want better players be brought in to support him, because they realize he is a support piece himself and unable to carry a team on his own merits making it better.
On top of all that he is a lightning rod of attention (unfairly to himself because he didn't make the trade), but for the dear price in assets used to obtain him that is a regular hot topic of controversy and constant distraction throughout Leafland that is only going to get more intense the greater Sequin/Hamilton perform and not going to end until Kessel is no longer a Leaf.
Burke's firing itself now was just served justice on the grounds of accountability for an ill-advised trade based on a GM badly misreading the level of compete and his inherited teams weak talent composition and going all-in far too early, resulting in far higher draft pick compensation then the player himself is worth.
The best thing for Leaf Nation would be to put an end to all this and for Nonis to use Kessel as a tradeable currency to address team needs and fill holes with a better long-term building block, and end all distractions by cutting ties to the past and moving on as an organization. IMO
Letting Kessel potentially walking away as a UFA at the end of next season would only set this organization back further and increase the other controversy of the surrounding trade even more, and something Nonis must avoid at all cost. If Kessel walks Nonis should follow him out the door.
He is small, soft, easily intimidated, weak defensively, soft spoken, avoids the media and lacks any leadership ability and his presence doesn't make any impact on success outside of the goals he scores. Even that is offset by a near team leading worst negative plus/minus, putting him on the ice for far more goals against then for in the process. That ends up hurting more than helping your team in the big picture when your a defensive liability on the ice.
Fans always want better players be brought in to support him, because they realize he is a support piece himself and unable to carry a team on his own merits making it better.
On top of all that he is a lightning rod of attention (unfairly to himself because he didn't make the trade), but for the dear price in assets used to obtain him that is a regular hot topic of controversy and constant distraction throughout Leafland that is only going to get more intense the greater Sequin/Hamilton perform and not going to end until Kessel is no longer a Leaf.
Burke's firing itself now was just served justice on the grounds of accountability for an ill-advised trade based on a GM badly misreading the level of compete and his inherited teams weak talent composition and going all-in far too early, resulting in far higher draft pick compensation then the player himself is worth.
The best thing for Leaf Nation would be to put an end to all this and for Nonis to use Kessel as a tradeable currency to address team needs and fill holes with a better long-term building block, and end all distractions by cutting ties to the past and moving on as an organization. IMO
Letting Kessel potentially walking away as a UFA at the end of next season would only set this organization back further and increase the other controversy of the surrounding trade even more, and something Nonis must avoid at all cost. If Kessel walks Nonis should follow him out the door.
Not saying that either but we should be able to discuss the ramifications of dealing an asset like Phil Kessel seeing how it could be a possibility in due time
johnny_rudeboy
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Stephen
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Berglund, Stewart and a 1st round pick are a nice consolation prize
I know, I know, they do not = what we traded to get him but if we had to cut our losses because it was best in managing our assets then I wouldn't be all that upset
No they're not, they're called disappointments and a low first...
Stephen
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This is so weak.
The Leafs franchise is at its worst when it thinks about the symbolic importance of things instead of worrying about putting together a good hockey team. The non rebuild with the Muskoka active was a joke. If you can't get rid of them for the benefit of the hockey club, why bother with the completely unproductive scorched earth policy? See how a normal GM like Gillis will sit on an asset until the right deal is made instead of putting perfectly serviceable players into media wars until they have negative value?
A Phil Kessel helps you win games. We need more hockey players to help him and less rhetorical, symbolic garbage. The end.
iArts
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Following this logic, Malkin is going to be traded too, right? And Perry and Getzlaf are as good as gone, right?
Hopefully Nonis can remove the stench of this trade once and for all, as long as Kessel is here Burke's legacy will forever be tainted.
And the Leafs fanbase is at its worse when it doesn't realize that this market is the most complex one in the NHL. "Putting together a good hockey club" isn't as simple as just putting talented players on the ice. The off-ice aspect of the club is just as important as the on-ice aspect. There are so many players who flourish in other markets that wouldn't last a week here. Mess is bang on here. Kessel is worth so much more to another team, especially one that already has a star and especially one that is smaller with less pressure. And that value could really net us some amazing young assets. Obviously we don't get rid of him just for the sake of it, but if we could get two or three great things in return, especially a player who could possibly be our 1st line center, it would help things move along.
rumman
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I agree, and imagine what Kessel would command at the trade deadline if he lights it up this season?
Stephen
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Mess is completely wrong and so are you. The complexity you speak of is simply a euphemism for your own preference. Kessel scores goals and that helps us. Period. If you need a face of the franchise for off ice purposes, go out and get a guy who will do that for you. I said it when Kessrl got here that in order to get better they need to get someone ahead of him at the forward ranks. This fact remains. But that doesn't mean you get rid of the number two guy because you don't have the number one guy.
The complexity of the Toronto market is a tiring cliche. Things are only complicated because the last time we saw some winning action was a decade ago.
This is why you should't be the GM of the leafs or any franchise, with comments like this. Kessel is 25 years old and is already a PPG player, he has potential to be a 40-45/90 point player in his prime and with the right players yet you want to trade him because you feel he is soft? I'm sorry but I just can't agree with that logic. Phaneuf is a good but not great top pairing defencmen, right now he is our best all around blueliner it would not make sense to trade him when there is no replacment in our system currently. However, if Gardiner can continue to improve and Rielly can dominate then that does make Phaneuf expendable, but lets face it that is a decision that is about 2-3 years away.
Leaf Army
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Kessel absolutely has to be the most underrated player in the NHL right now.
The guy finished top 6 in league scoring last year and led the league in scoring for almost half the year while playing with Tyler Bozak.
I've never seen a top scorer get crapped on as much as him. Crazy.
The guy finished top 6 in league scoring last year and led the league in scoring for almost half the year while playing with Tyler Bozak.
I've never seen a top scorer get crapped on as much as him. Crazy.
Commander Clueless
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Yeah.
Only way we trade this guy is if he doesn't want to re-sign here. Otherwise, he stays and he deserves to stay. Talking about a rebuild and talking about trading Phil Kessel are completely opposite directions.
If that happens, then we better get a good deal for him or Leafs fans will never live this down or let this go. Scary thought.
Whatever Mike Brophy tweeted today about trading Kessel, is it just his opinion or rumour?
Search for tweets if interested. Am lazy right now. Twitter tag is @HockeyBroph
Search for tweets if interested. Am lazy right now. Twitter tag is @HockeyBroph
Berglund, Stewart and a 1st round pick are a nice consolation prize
I know, I know, they do not = what we traded to get him but if we had to cut our losses because it was best in managing our assets then I wouldn't be all that upset
I like this idea.
topched
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IMO if you're trading Kessel, you need to look to move at least 2 or more of Lupul, Phaneuf, Liles and Grabovski as well.
Kessel is an irreplacable cog on this team, the highest scorer, one of the highest scorers in the league and is under 25. The only way to get a player like this? Overpay for him with 2 1sts and a 2nd.
Kessel can easily be a top line guy, the best winger on his team. I see Kessel the same way I see Marian Hossa... maybe not "the guy" because of his personality etc. but can ride shotgun on a team going deep into the playoffs. Look at what Hossa did after he left Ottawa/ATL... he was on a line with Crosby then Datsyuk then Toews. This guy is a valuable piece on this team, if you want him moving forward... you start discussions with his agent and sign him this offseason.
If you do want to truly "rebuild" then you need to dump all the vets. Get a top 5 pick in the draft for Kessel and a top prospect or two. Move Phaneuf and Liles for similar future packages. Let guys like Gunnarsson, Kulemin and even Gardiner become the leaders of a young team poised to struggle for half a decade.
Kessel is an irreplacable cog on this team, the highest scorer, one of the highest scorers in the league and is under 25. The only way to get a player like this? Overpay for him with 2 1sts and a 2nd.
Kessel can easily be a top line guy, the best winger on his team. I see Kessel the same way I see Marian Hossa... maybe not "the guy" because of his personality etc. but can ride shotgun on a team going deep into the playoffs. Look at what Hossa did after he left Ottawa/ATL... he was on a line with Crosby then Datsyuk then Toews. This guy is a valuable piece on this team, if you want him moving forward... you start discussions with his agent and sign him this offseason.
If you do want to truly "rebuild" then you need to dump all the vets. Get a top 5 pick in the draft for Kessel and a top prospect or two. Move Phaneuf and Liles for similar future packages. Let guys like Gunnarsson, Kulemin and even Gardiner become the leaders of a young team poised to struggle for half a decade.
Darcy Tucker
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can we stop making ourselves look ridiculous by even discussing trading our franchise player? please?
