Value of: Kessel to the Leafs at the deadline

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Assuming he'd be willing to waive to come back and I'm not sure he would what would the asset cost be? and yes it goes without saying 50% will be retained

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[rt]

Assuming he'd be willing to waive to come back and I'm not sure he would what would the asset cost be? and yes it goes without saying 50% will be retained

With 50% retention, I’d want a ‘23 2nd and a ‘24 2nd.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

With 50% retention, I’d want a ‘23 2nd and a ‘24 2nd.

I think he could a 2nd+ for sure

I'm not sure he gets 2 2nds

 

[rt]

I think he could a 2nd+ for sure

I'm not sure he gets 2 2nds

The Arizona Coyotes are an absolute garbage fire. He has 25g 40a 65pts in his last 86gp (these two seasons combined), with them. He never misses a hockey game (ever). He’s got a 3.4aav cap-hit. I should be asking for Knies.

 

[Magic Man]

The 3rd line is set up like a checking line and the top two right wingers are Nylander and Marner who have played very little at LW in the NHL. Seems to be a poor fit.

3C stands out to me as an area of concern going into the playoffs, David Kampf has usually been a 4C before this season and brings very little offense to the position.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Think the leafs should go after other areas

 

[Christ]

Don't see Kessel as filling a team need for the Leafs. Defense is a bigger concern.

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

I think he could a 2nd+ for sure

I'm not sure he gets 2 2nds

prolly a 2nd and 3rd.. but those are some lower picks so...

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Don't see Kessel as filling a team need for the Leafs. Defense is a bigger concern.

They do need a top 6 forward

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

prolly a 2nd and 3rd.. but those are some lower picks so...

A 2nd and 3rd is what I was thinking

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Think the leafs should go after other areas

They do need a top 6 forward

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The 3rd line is set up like a checking line and the top two right wingers are Nylander and Marner who have played very little at LW in the NHL. Seems to be a poor fit.

3C stands out to me as an area of concern going into the playoffs, David Kampf has usually been a 4C before this season and brings very little offense to the position.

Nylander has played some LW

 

[Magic Man]

Nylander has played some LW

Nylander is having a good season. If Kessel was a LW I would be open to the idea. I don't want to move one of the core forwards out of their spot to accomodate a lesser player.

 

[rt]

The 3rd line is set up like a checking line and the top two right wingers are Nylander and Marner who have played very little at LW in the NHL. Seems to be a poor fit.

3C stands out to me as an area of concern going into the playoffs, David Kampf has usually been a 4C before this season and brings very little offense to the position.

Phil Kessel’s peak as a hockey player was on the HBK line with Hagelin and Bonino. Phil produces his own points and is not at all reliant on linemates. He has 65 points in his last 86gp with the dumpster fire Coyotes.

And yes, I’m aware that he’s largely a PP producer and does obviously require PP minutes to produce. But I’m saying his 5v5 production is a a fantastic bonus to any team because it’s basically freebie points. He can do it with poor linemates and suboptimal usage.

 

[CreeksideStrangler]

out of all the players in the league...

literally any defensively capable player instead of kessel.

We arent in need of lazy 1 dimensional shooters.

I see this poster rehashing this dumpster fire proposal almost weekly and it shows how little analytic sense he has

 

[ole ole]

The 3rd line is set up like a checking line and the top two right wingers are Nylander and Marner who have played very little at LW in the NHL. Seems to be a poor fit.

3C stands out to me as an area of concern going into the playoffs, David Kampf has usually been a 4C before this season and brings very little offense to the position.

This makes more sense.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Leafs have Marner, Nylander, and Kase as their top 3 Rw, probably top 5 deepest in the League for right wing. Don't need Kessel as much as I do like Phil.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

With 50% retention, I’d want a ‘23 2nd and a ‘24 2nd.

I am not sure if we can reacquire Kessel at 50%, we still have the 1.2 from the Pits trade on the books.

 

[rt]

I am not sure if we can reacquire Kessel at 50%, we still have the 1.2 from the Pits trade on the books.

It’s be 50% of the remaining 85%, I think.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

It’s be 50% of the remaining 85%, I think.

I am not sure if it breaks the only 2 retentions per contract rule, because if they see it as the 1.2, your 50% and our 50% as 3 different things then that may be an issue, if they group our 1.2+our 50% then it should be ok.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Where does Kessel fit in on the Leafs?

 

[peconcan]

Love Phil but he probably wouldn’t even waive his NMC for Toronto. He was ran out of town when he was here then went on to win 2 cups.

 

[Hasbro]

2 1sts and a 2nd.

 

[De Montreal]

The Arizona Coyotes are an absolute garbage fire. He has 25g 40a 65pts in his last 86gp (these two seasons combined), with them. He never misses a hockey game (ever). He’s got a 3.4aav cap-hit. I should be asking for Knies.

I'm really suspicious about what your ask are now ever since you got me to believe Dvorak was worth a 1st ++++

 

[rt]

I'm really suspicious about what your ask are now ever since you got me to believe Dvorak was worth a 1st ++++

Incorrect. I asked for a single prospect drafted In the mid-first within the last 2-3 drafts. And that was with a contract dump worth approximately a negative 2nd rounder also in the deal. Such as Luke Reichel and Calvin deHaan or Erik Brannstrom and Chris Tierney or Connor Zary and Milan Lucic or Kaiden Guhle and Paul Byron. Dvorak ended up returning a 1st alone with no dump. Value was close. Only issue is the Top 10
Protection on the MTL pick and CAR being so damn good. AZ banked on that being a 12-22 pick. Ended up being like 26-32. Nobody saw that coming.