Kessel is not even on the same planet as Crosby!!

[SpezNc2]

Ovechkin is a 6´2 216 Lbs beast with superb ofence and oh he can play defence BUT you should know that............

And please stop making Crosby better than Ovechkin , its getting boring man

you should have read the post like this: If there is one prospect in the NHL or outside who can be as dominant as Crosby in the long run, it's Oveckin... this post was no way against Ovechkin..... this post was more to say that Kessel is not right now in the same league as Ovechkin and Crosby....

 

[SpezNc2]

Please dont turn this into a Ovechkin/Crosby thread.

it was not my intention.... since i think these two are arguably equal....

 

[Joretus]

He's not Crosby or Ovechkin, but Kessel >>>>Malkin.

In the long run, Kessel will outshine Malkin IMO.

Malkin is dominating Russian league against men. After seeing him playing against european based best players he is clearly best player outside of NHL at this time. Kessel might get better, but atm he is far away in that dominating/controlling game way.

 

[Joretus]

I love how people bash Kessel, and that he's "nowhere close" to Malkin, but Malkin, who's older, is tied with Kessel for the lead in points.....Shouldn't Malkin be dominating Kessel then? No matter what Kessel does, he's in the boat of prospects where he gets slammed for whatever he does....first, he's a puck hog, then he basically hands Chris Bourque five goals, and now he can't score...Poor guy can't win...He'll be a superstar in the NHL one day.

Kessel had one 5point game and now he is tied with that. You are just watching points, not games. Malkin dominates game totally, Kessel doesn't. Kessel might do it sometime, but not yet(at least not against good teams and hardly against men).

 

[Joretus]

you should have read the post like this: If there is one prospect in the NHL or outside who can be as dominant as Crosby in the long run, it's Oveckin... this post was no way against Ovechkin..... this post was more to say that Kessel is not right now in the same league as Ovechkin and Crosby....

The one outside NHL is Malkin, no doubt.

 

[CSKA]

Kessel had one 5point game and now he is tied with that. You are just watching points, not games. Malkin dominates game totally, Kessel doesn't. Kessel might do it sometime, but not yet(at least not against good teams and hardly against men).

Agree !

Against Norway

Malkin 4 G ! + 4 A

Kessel 0G 8A ( 5 A against Norway) how is that dominating

 

[psycho_dad*]

Malkin is clearly the better player at the moment. Crosby and Ovechkin are naturally better too.

Unfortunately Malkin did not get to start in Pittsburgh this year...next year he will challenge Crosby for the team leader in points. They have amazing future depth in center.

Kessel will be a good player. Just not a superstar like these 3.

 

[MN_Gopher]

Kessel is like 3 months younger than Crosby. There is no way Phil kessel would be better than Crosby at this stage barring him being in the NHL and tearing it up.

I fail to see how Phil could, in any imaginable way, be even close to Crosby at this point or down the road, considering how far ahead Crosby is despite them being essentially the same age. Crosby has a higher ceiling anyway.

Did i ever say they were equal, nope. I said that Crosby is the best and most ready 18 year old ever. He is years ahead of Kessel in his ability to understand the game. So of course he is better than Phil. But that does not mean that Phil will not get better.

But like i said in my first post. Kessel must be a threat. Otherwise people would know they could blow off any comparisions. So keep it up, the more press the better.

 

[KariyaIsGod*]

Did i ever say they were equal, nope. I said that Crosby is the best and most ready 18 year old ever. He is years ahead of Kessel in his ability to understand the game. So of course he is better than Phil. But that does not mean that Phil will not get better.

But like i said in my first post. Kessel must be a threat. Otherwise people would know they could blow off any comparisions. So keep it up, the more press the better.

People are blowing them off. THey are ridiculous.

 

[MN_Gopher]

People are blowing them off. THey are ridiculous.

Three pages of posts. Yeah they are really being ignored. And the thread starter. A Canadian fan. Stating the obviuos, thats a waste of time. Or is he trying to re-assure himself of something?

 

[God Bless Canada]

You're putting Horton ahead of Kessel?

Dude, lay off the pipe.

Horton was No. 2 behind E. Staal on my list for the much-ballyhooed 2003 draft. (Incidentally, Staal is one of the most complete and mature players I've ever seen at 18. That has translated to his brilliant start this year). Horton was absolutely dominant in the OHL early in his draft year, but suffered a broken jaw in a fight (courtesy of close friend Anthony Stewart) and his play never recovered until the playoffs. But he's a fantastic goal scorer with lots of hockey sense and a strong physical edge. His talent has shone through by scoring at a 40-goal pace (16 goals in 31 games) so far this year, on a dog Florida team. He'll be a star for years to come.

I don't think Kessel will be a top 20 player in the league. He'll be a strong offensive player for years to come, but a top 20 guy? Only if we have a series of 1999-esque drafts. (There wasn't a top-20 NHL player picked in 1999, either). There's a lot of very good players in this year's NHL draft, but nobody I see as a franchise-type.

 

[KStewart113]

You honestly cant judge this on 1 tournement...and if so, by my calculations...Kessel is projected to have more points then Crosby. Crosby didnt lead Canada to gold, Kessel could lead the US. Then theres that little fact, Crosby was playing with an NHLer in Patrice Bergeron, and Perry(but other US forwards could equal Perry)

 

[Metallian*]

Horton was No. 2 behind E. Staal on my list for the much-ballyhooed 2003 draft. (Incidentally, Staal is one of the most complete and mature players I've ever seen at 18. That has translated to his brilliant start this year). Horton was absolutely dominant in the OHL early in his draft year, but suffered a broken jaw in a fight (courtesy of close friend Anthony Stewart) and his play never recovered until the playoffs. But he's a fantastic goal scorer with lots of hockey sense and a strong physical edge. His talent has shone through by scoring at a 40-goal pace (16 goals in 31 games) so far this year, on a dog Florida team. He'll be a star for years to come.

I don't think Kessel will be a top 20 player in the league. He'll be a strong offensive player for years to come, but a top 20 guy? Only if we have a series of 1999-esque drafts. (There wasn't a top-20 NHL player picked in 1999, either). There's a lot of very good players in this year's NHL draft, but nobody I see as a franchise-type.

I dont think theres all too much to Horton. Sure, he was taken after Staal, but what does that mean? Okay, he was good in junior but so are a lot of other players who cant translate it to the NHL.

I think Horton is all hype and no substance. The guy was made out to be the Pre-Crosby to tide us over, he's not in the same league as Staal. He can score goals though, I'll give him that much credit.

That said, I think Kessel will be a top 15 scoring threat. I think he'll be like a 2001 era Bill Guerin, but obviously more consistant. an 85pt guy.

Horton, i see as a 65pt guy, but most of those are goals.

 

[Daily Special]

I dont think theres all too much to Horton. Sure, he was taken after Staal, but what does that mean? Okay, he was good in junior but so are a lot of other players who cant translate it to the NHL.

I think Horton is all hype and no substance. The guy was made out to be the Pre-Crosby to tide us over, he's not in the same league as Staal. He can score goals though, I'll give him that much credit.

That said, I think Kessel will be a top 15 scoring threat. I think he'll be like a 2001 era Bill Guerin, but obviously more consistant. an 85pt guy.

Horton, i see as a 65pt guy, but most of those are goals.

I agree Kessel will one day be a top 15 scorer, but in Modano fasion, not Guerin. Kessel is much quicker and flashier than Guerin.


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[Misos Milakos*]

Horton was No. 2 behind E. Staal on my list for the much-ballyhooed 2003 draft. (Incidentally, Staal is one of the most complete and mature players I've ever seen at 18. That has translated to his brilliant start this year). Horton was absolutely dominant in the OHL early in his draft year, but suffered a broken jaw in a fight (courtesy of close friend Anthony Stewart) and his play never recovered until the playoffs. But he's a fantastic goal scorer with lots of hockey sense and a strong physical edge. His talent has shone through by scoring at a 40-goal pace (16 goals in 31 games) so far this year, on a dog Florida team. He'll be a star for years to come.

I don't think Kessel will be a top 20 player in the league. He'll be a strong offensive player for years to come, but a top 20 guy? Only if we have a series of 1999-esque drafts. (There wasn't a top-20 NHL player picked in 1999, either). There's a lot of very good players in this year's NHL draft, but nobody I see as a franchise-type.

If Horton puts it all together, he will be a more complete, better all around player than Kessel, and a guy I'd rather play on my team, though Kessel has better hightlight reel potential, thats it.

 

[Metallian*]

I agree Kessel will one day be a top 15 scorer, but in Modano fasion, not Guerin. Kessel is much quicker and flashier than Guerin.


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i said circa 2001 Guerin, where he got 85pts

not the regular Guerin

 

[Crusher20]

I tought Kessel was an amazing talent but he seem like he cant make any incredible moves has Crosby.. or doesnt have the superior Vision Sid has.. anyway.. Johnson is looking incredible out there.. I hope the Habs do something to draft him.

Botton Line is Crosby is in a league of his own.

 

[jaydub*]

as far as i know, both live on earth

 

[Transported Upstater]

as far as i know, both live on earth

Best post in this thread.

 

[God Bless Canada]

I dont think theres all too much to Horton. Sure, he was taken after Staal, but what does that mean? Okay, he was good in junior but so are a lot of other players who cant translate it to the NHL.

I think Horton is all hype and no substance. The guy was made out to be the Pre-Crosby to tide us over, he's not in the same league as Staal. He can score goals though, I'll give him that much credit.

That said, I think Kessel will be a top 15 scoring threat. I think he'll be like a 2001 era Bill Guerin, but obviously more consistant. an 85pt guy.

Horton, i see as a 65pt guy, but most of those are goals.

Kessel does not have Guerin's physical dimension. Guerin, in his prime, was one of the top power forwards in the game, and one of the best combinations of skill, size, speed and physical play in the world.

Horton, I believe, has the potential to be a 40-45 goal, 80-plus point player with a strong physical dimension. He's on a 40-goal pace on a crap team. The reason he doesn't have many assists is the same reason Rick Nash doesn't have many assists: there isn't another player on the team who's a strong goal scorer at this stage in his career. (Zheredev is, of course, in Columbus, but he lacks the consistency and drive to be a top goal scorer at this stage in his career). The top offensive player in Florida, Jokinen, is a better playmaker than a goal scorer. Players who are "all hype and no substance" don't score at a 40-goal pace in the NHL before their 21st birthday.

Kessel is now suffering through the situation that usually plagues players who have been scrutinized for three years. We've seen all that he does well, and offensively he does a lot well, that we start to dissect his game and look for his faults. It happened to Spezza, it happened to Bouwmeester, it even happened to Ovechkin to a smaller extent. (Crosby is an exception). Because he's been so exposed so much in the last two years (thanks to brilliance at the 2005 WJC and WU-18), the scouting fraternity is now looking for holes, instead of continuing to hype his strengths.

And BTW, I never said Kessel wasn't going to be a top 15 or 20 SCORER. I said he wouldn't be a top 15 or 20 PLAYER. There is a world of difference. Cory Stillman was a top 10 scorer in 2003-04. I don't think anyone's going to ever put him as a top 10 player, or even a top 50 player.

 

[Daily Special]

Three pages of posts. Yeah they are really being ignored. And the thread starter. A Canadian fan. Stating the obviuos, thats a waste of time. Or is he trying to re-assure himself of something?

Good point, clearly he's insecure. The reality of Toews going second to Kessel makes it too much for him to bare. He's beside himself with despair.

 

[Nihilism]

The USA is not dead yet. While they have had three medicore games by their standards, they're still a helluva team with a helluva lotta talent. Do not count them out.

As for Kessel, comparing him to Crosby is stupid. He will be a star NHLer, but nowhere near the best in the league like Crosby will be.

 

[Nihilism]

Good point, clearly he's insecure. The reality of Toews going second to Kessel makes it too much for him to bare. He's beside himself with despair.

Too bad Toews isn't Canada's main offensive forward, Kessel is the Americans though. Big difference chief.

 

[deandebean]

Too bad Toews isn't Canada's main offensive forward, Kessel is the Americans though. Big difference chief.

Actually, Canada still has to find its main offensive forward in this tournament. Just kidding.

 

[Daily Special]

Too bad Toews isn't Canada's main offensive forward, Kessel is the Americans though. Big difference chief.

rofls what? Ryan, Oshie, Wheeler, Mueller, Schremp, and Bourque ring any bells?