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Stephen said:
A lot insightful comments came out of the Leafs Hour podcast interview with Mike Futa, but one thing jumped out at me which I think is worth talking about a little more at length.

There was a lot of speculation about possible Leaf deadline deals and one of the dynamics at play was Kerfoot being a big albatross contract $3.5 million for the next 2 years after this one, and how could the Leafs get rid of his cap hit.

One of the big drawbacks to Kerfoot as a player is he can’t play third line center. While I’m not a super fan of Kerfoot he does kill penalties and plays an okay energy role on the wing and has some versatility.

That said, if he’s that bad of a contract and could stand in the way of X, Y, Z acquisition, I’m just putting it out there if it would be worth waiving him to accumulate cap savings. Is it worth the risk of losing him, do we want to lose him, or is he versatile enough that we should just stay the course and keep him around?
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Kerfoot is not an “albatross” that is saved for guys like oh idk, okposo, Ladd, Eriksson, Lucic, vlasic, Karlsson etc etc. Kerfoot is a middle six player who has growth opportunity in his game signed to what was average middle six salary pre covid.
 
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Just to add something, his PK is brought up a lot. Just because he’s on the PK, doesn’t necessarily mean he’s actually good on it. My view is Hyman-Marner, Soup, Engvall, in that order, honestly Kerfoot looks nothing more than a warm body out there. We lose nothing without his “prowess” on the PK, he’s very pedestrian on it for those paying attention imo.
 
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With a rising cap his contract wouldn't be so bad, but we need to stretch that money further than a vanilla middle-sixer. Probably pay Seattle to take him.
 
Kerfoot is an okay player, he just doesn't produce much. He's clearly the odd man out when it comes to salary, we pretty much need to cycle through those middle six options until we find ones who outperform their contracts. He's definitely got some value, 3rd or a 2nd with some retention, but not a whole lot more than that, especially with the flat cap.

I'm really not too worried about it either way. If he stays a Leaf, whatever he's fine for the jobs he's asked to do. If he's traded, Dubas can use the cap space on other players.
 
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Confucius said:
Kerfoot is fine for what he is. How much would somebody pay for a slight improvement?
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he isn't the worst player in the league but he doesn't fit anywhere on our team outside of maybe the 4th line but if you start playing him there the chances of trading him without a large sweetener drop from very slim to almost zero

the problem Dubas is facing in trying to make a deal is he has to find a way to include or dump Kerfoot's salary since we don't have any cap space and there's no one else on the roster that makes enough to potentially offset the salary we'd be adding
 
Korg said:
With a rising cap his contract wouldn't be so bad, but we need to stretch that money further than a vanilla middle-sixer. Probably pay Seattle to take him.
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Who is better for 3.5 million for another 2 years? You can't expect a star for that.
 
hotpaws said:
he isn't the worst player in the league but he doesn't fit anywhere on our team outside of maybe the 4th line but if you start playing him there the chances of trading him without a large sweetener drop from very slim to almost zero

the problem Dubas is facing in trying to make a deal is he has to find a way to include or dump Kerfoot's salary since we don't have any cap space and there's no one else on the roster that makes enough to potentially offset the salary we'd be adding
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Who is going to replace him for 3.5?
 
hotpaws said:
he isn't the worst player in the league but he doesn't fit anywhere on our team outside of maybe the 4th line but if you start playing him there the chances of trading him without a large sweetener drop from very slim to almost zero

the problem Dubas is facing in trying to make a deal is he has to find a way to include or dump Kerfoot's salary since we don't have any cap space and there's no one else on the roster that makes enough to potentially offset the salary we'd be adding
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Right, he's not a good center, so that makes him a $3.5 mil winger. I'm sure we have better options at left-wing for $3.5 mil.
 
Confucius said:
Who is going to replace him for 3.5?
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he would have been gone in the summer when Dubas tried to dump him if teams thought there weren't better options for 3.5m and his value hasn't gone up since then

yea it sucks to realize all we got for Kadri is a cap anchor but that's the facts
 
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hotpaws said:
he would have been gone in the summer when Dubas tried to dump him if teams thought there weren't better options for 3.5m and his value hasn't gone up since then

yea it sucks to realize all we got for Kadri is a cap anchor but that's the facts
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Well we disagree I think he is ok for 3.5 we did get more for Kadri but the other player was the problem Kerfoot was just fine.
 
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Confucius said:
Who is better for 3.5 million for another 2 years? You can't expect a star for that.
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I don't expect a star, but I'd rather sign/trade for Kempe/Iafallo/Järnkrok/Namestinikov etc. who are all paid around ~2AAV and either bank the space which allows us to put players on the IR instead of the LTIR and use it for deadline acquisitions. Or distribute that money for more forward depth. If we're going to pay four forwards 40 million, the remaining 15-20 million spent on forwards has to go as far or further than anyone else. The cheapest option is to just develop your own centers, but our prospect pool at center is very thin, so an outside hire is a more likely scenario.
 
Kerfoot is a decent player, and while not an overly attractive asset, is certainly not the trash ballast he's being made out to be by some at the moment.

to me he's played well this year. I regard the notion that a guy who wouldn't be a terrible 2nd line LW option for an awful lot of teams, if not the same useful C/W 3rd liner with speed that he is here, being regarded as some kind of toxic asset by other GMs with a good degree of skepticism.

he's only being mentioned so much because he's the only decent sized skater salary we've got to move out.

I guess Engvall at 1.25 is another guy they could think about moving too that might move the cap space needle a bit.
 
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Volcanologist said:
Kerfoot is a decent player, and while not an overly attractive asset, is certainly not the trash ballast he's being made out to be by some at the moment.

to me he's played well this year. I regard the notion that a guy who wouldn't be a terrible 2nd line LW option for an awful lot of teams, if not the same useful C/W 3rd liner with speed that he is here, being regarded as some kind of toxic asset by other GMs with a good degree of skepticism.

he's only being mentioned so much because he's the only decent sized skater salary we've got to move out.

I guess Engvall at 1.25 is another guy they could think about moving too that might move the cap space needle a bit.
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A versatile, high IQ player with speed. Cap casualty - and a need for a bit of a different look
 
Confucius said:
Well we disagree I think he is ok for 3.5 we did get more for Kadri but the other player was the problem Kerfoot was just fine.
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I think he means that in a non personal way. He might just be perceived as a over paid cap anchor by other G.M’s. We sure see him doing useful play. So we can keep him at a over pay. I find him a better winger. I like him on the wing quite a bit. I won’t be disappointed or anything if he sticks around.
$2,800,000 cap hit and he is viewed differently. That’s not enough cap space for me to worry about. Wouldn’t want to do that to much. Kadri p!ssed off management and it was a trade made mad. He was gone. They got what they could.
 
I think i have trashed him a few times.
Plays hard.
Good defensively
Fights for pucks
Back pressures well
Very good winger in the bottom six but he is versatile in a pinch.
Predominantly should play wing
Should work on getting better at faceoffs daily.
Just slightly over paid.
I’m fine with him staying. Keep him on the wing and I’m happy
 
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Out of 158 forwards who have played at least 25 minutes shorthanded, Kerfoot is 18th best in expected goals against/60. He's also very visible at generating odd man rushes while short handed. Not sure where this idea that he's completely useless on the PK is coming from, but it doesn't seem to be reality
 
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CantLoseWithMatthews said:
Out of 158 forwards who have played at least 25 minutes shorthanded, Kerfoot is 18th best in expected goals against/60. He's also very visible at generating odd man rushes while short handed. Not sure where this idea that he's completely useless on the PK is coming from, but it doesn't seem to be reality
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There ya go. Valuable
 
Kerfoot hasn’t recorded one point short handed in his career, not one. So many rushes...
 
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