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A lot insightful comments came out of the Leafs Hour podcast interview with Mike Futa, but one thing jumped out at me which I think is worth talking about a little more at length.

There was a lot of speculation about possible Leaf deadline deals and one of the dynamics at play was Kerfoot being a big albatross contract $3.5 million for the next 2 years after this one, and how could the Leafs get rid of his cap hit.

One of the big drawbacks to Kerfoot as a player is he can’t play third line center. While I’m not a super fan of Kerfoot he does kill penalties and plays an okay energy role on the wing and has some versatility.

That said, if he’s that bad of a contract and could stand in the way of X, Y, Z acquisition, I’m just putting it out there if it would be worth waiving him to accumulate cap savings. Is it worth the risk of losing him, do we want to lose him, or is he versatile enough that we should just stay the course and keep him around?
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Just commented on Kerfot in the Dubas Presser thread as being a possibility to Nashville provided our 1st and another piece was moved targeting Ekholm.

Addition by substraction is useful tool -- now more than ever. But the way in which Dubas recovered a 1st having expended a 1st and the proximate hit both clubs would incur minus a year on the Predators' side, I can see value in using Kerfoot to soften the blow of gambling on another 1st albeit for another quality blueliner.
 
Why can't he play #3C?

I'd argue that he was at his best last season in that exact spot. He's far from an "albatross".

I'd put his value somewhere between what Kapanen and Johnsson were worth last season.
 
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He's a top 6 winger/3rd line center who makes a fair amount of money. I don't really understand what would make his value negative
 
CantLoseWithMatthews said:
He's a top 6 winger/3rd line center who makes a fair amount of money. I don't really understand what would make his value negative
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Yeah that’s what I don’t get either from the Leafs Hour podcast. He’s not a fan favourite but is serviceable. That said if he’s standing in the way of a big acquisition and has negative value supposedly, why not just waive him?
 
CantLoseWithMatthews said:
He's a top 6 winger/3rd line center who makes a fair amount of money. I don't really understand what would make his value negative
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Stephen said:
Yeah that’s what I don’t get either from the Leafs Hour podcast. He’s not a fan favourite but is serviceable. That said if he’s standing in the way of a big acquisition and has negative value supposedly, why not just waive him?
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Kerfoot is a fine #3C but the way I see it is if he were a top 6 forward, it would not be Dubas' #1 priority to find another top 6 forward.

Kerfoot's biggest issue, as was AJ and Kappy's is his cap hit and thus he eventually will have to be tossed overboard thanks to the big 4 taking half the cap and not outperforming their cap hits as a whole IMO.
 
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ToneDog said:
Kerfoot is a fine #3C but the way I see it is if he were a top 6 forward, it would not be Dubas' #1 priority to find another top 6 forward.

Kerfoot's biggest issue, as was AJ and Kappy's is his cap hit and thus he eventually will have to be tossed overboard thanks to the big 4 taking half the cap and not outperforming their cap hits as a whole IMO.
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The reason to get a top 6 forward is because it's hard to trust Thornton on the top line for a whole playoff run
 
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Kerfoot at 50% is easily worth a 2nd+, right? He's only owed 2.7 in real money for the next 2 years. There's no way a rebuilding team with money like Chicago wouldn't take him for free so they could flip him this deadline or next at 50%.

Hell, take him for free and play him on LW with your top line + PP. Let him stat pad a little and you might even get a 1st for a 50-ish point guy at 1.75. Apparently Rakell is worth Robertson++ for similar numbers and money.
 
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Is it possible that his contract just isn't attractive right now to a team that would be selling by the trade deadline, and also when taking the upcoming expansion draft into consideration? Some trade value could very well be there in the offseason and post expansion draft. Don't see the purpose of waiving him as he plays in every game. Vesey was waived because he would have lost his spot in a healthy lineup to a returning Simmonds.
 
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If the cap was rising it's a contract you can live with. But it's not so 3.5m is too expensive for a bottom 6 player just like it was for Kapanen and Johnsson, If we want to acquire that legit top 6 forward than Kerfoot's money will most likely have to go the other way. If he isn't moved in season I'd say he is as good as gone at the Expansion Draft.

The cap savings will be put towards re-signing Hyman.
 
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The reason to get a top 6 forward is because it's hard to trust Thornton on the top line for a whole playoff run
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Agreed but that is in the case that Hyman stays on line #3 or Kerfoot plays #3C. The way I see it if you think Hyman (who no question is) and Kerfoot (debatable) are your top 2 LWers, Dubas should be focusing on adding depth on D.
 
For those of you who do - what do you like about Kerfoot at C? To me, he looks rather mediocre at C and much more dynamic on the wing.

A big flaw to him at C is that he's pretty bad on the faceoffs - 41% this year and 47% for his career.

He's also had 54% offensive zone starts to 46% defensive. I'd like to see those numbers at the very least reversed for my #3C...
 
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Keefoot being pegged as the albatross contract at 3.5M .... for a guy, at times, that plays more than capable for the dollars.

We must be in great hands.

We should , will and have no issue finding a team to take him on.
 
Kerfoot at 3C will get eaten alive in the playoffs.

Just like he did in the play-in series vs CBJ.

He is better on the wing.

He is average to below average NHLer.
 
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He’s a decent player but just makes to much for his role on a cap tight team like us. We can find a cheaper replacement for him
 
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ottomaddox said:
Kerfoot at 3C will get eaten alive in the playoffs.

Just like he did in the play-in series vs CBJ.

He is better on the wing.

He is average to below average NHLer.
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Recall a discussion this offseason regarding whether to move AJ or Kerfoot. The "expert" thought you keep AJ if you value the wing and Kerfoot if you value the C because AJ > Kerfoot on the wing. As such we kept Kerfoot the better C but are deploying him on wing. Luckily AJ has not done much in NJ.
 
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For those of you who do - what do you like about Kerfoot at C? To me, he looks rather mediocre at C and much more dynamic on the wing.
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Very mobile, very intelligent with his puck support, very effective defensively in transition. I'm very much looking forward to him and Hyman together, hopefully for an extended look.
 
Kurtz said:
For those of you who do - what do you like about Kerfoot at C? To me, he looks rather mediocre at C and much more dynamic on the wing.

A big flaw to him at C is that he's pretty bad on the faceoffs - 41% this year and 47% for his career.

He's also had 54% offensive zone starts to 46% defensive. I'd like to see those numbers at the very least reversed for my #3C...
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His speed and positioning allows him to be very good defensively and very ery good in transition - easily moving the puck out of danger and into the offensive zone consistently.

He's miscast as an offensive forward - he's not particularly good offensively other than creating quality offensive possessions via his transition game.
 
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Stephen said:
A lot insightful comments came out of the Leafs Hour podcast interview with Mike Futa, but one thing jumped out at me which I think is worth talking about a little more at length.

There was a lot of speculation about possible Leaf deadline deals and one of the dynamics at play was Kerfoot being a big albatross contract $3.5 million for the next 2 years after this one, and how could the Leafs get rid of his cap hit.

One of the big drawbacks to Kerfoot as a player is he can’t play third line center. While I’m not a super fan of Kerfoot he does kill penalties and plays an okay energy role on the wing and has some versatility.

That said, if he’s that bad of a contract and could stand in the way of X, Y, Z acquisition, I’m just putting it out there if it would be worth waiving him to accumulate cap savings. Is it worth the risk of losing him, do we want to lose him, or is he versatile enough that we should just stay the course and keep him around?
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Last year quite frankly I did not like him at all ... but when you consider switching teams/systems and a very bad injury i think you had to give him a 2nd look to be fair ... and this year i think he has been much better ... he fits in better and making way less mistakes ... now I don't see him as a winger as his wall play is not set up for wing ... but he is super fast (I'd love to see him and Rielly 1 on 1 in race in practice) and he creates pace on 3rd line for sure ... my worry is playoff hockey ... i think we need a bigger 3C who can stand up to other teams 1/2C and stop them from scoring goals as goals for shrink to nothing ... but against habs/oilers/tampa I like Kerfoot ... against Jets/flames/bruins/vegas not as much ... he matches up very very well in games of speed ... bottom line Dubie will figure it out ... it all depends on what AAV a UFA trading partner team will take on and what player/pick package is ... I don't think it is automatic he is traded ... Hyman Kerfoot Mik d*mn solid 3rd line against most opposition ... imagine we get oilers round 1 and habs round 2 tampa round 3 and avs for Cup then i like that line to dominate games actually ... even if we lost 4 straight to vegas/bruins in semis it still might be fine as we got playoff experience and everyone will see what is needed
 
3rd Line Cs in division:

Kerfoot
Backlund
Lowry
Kotkaniemi
Turris
Sutter
Stepan


On other contenders:

Gourde
Glass
Compher
 
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