Keep/Fire Drury and/or Laviolette

[Homelander]

I will explain myself.

Keep Drury.

He wants to clean out the country club losers.

Let him trade away kreider mika and maybe bread.

A new GM may want to be loyal to those losers.

Once he gets rid of the losers he can leave too.

He wants to? Why didn't he? Why didn't he when THEY HAD FREAKIN' VALUE? Again, he bungled the Trouba trade over the summer where he could've gotten some decent value had he kept his fat mouth shut to Uncle Larry and he could've absolutely tried to trade Mika and Kreider as well, and both would've netted some really good value if they waived.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

He wants to? Why didn't he? Why didn't he when THEY HAD FREAKIN' VALUE? Again, he bungled the Trouba trade over the summer where he could've gotten some decent value had he kept his fat mouth shut to Uncle Larry and he could've absolutely tried to trade Mika and Kreider as well, and both would've netted some really good value if they waived.

He did what he could with trouba in summer. Trouba f***ed us and kreider cried.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

LOL.

Haters gonna hate.

Lovers gonna love.

 

[DaBadGuy7]

He was one of the only guys in hockey, maybe the only guy in hockey, that had both the respect and balls to tell Dolan to f*** off. And he did. Slats had his faults, as all GMs do, but he pulled the trigger when it was the right time, and that's maybe the best quality a GM can have.

Let’s not overrate Sather either, the organizational problems today like player development, drafting, and cronies are because of him. I consider his tenure overall as a failure for the simple fact he never had a clear plan or idea in building a championship roster. He got lucky in drafting Lundqvist and trading for a Jagr for pennies on the dollar. He had too many mistakes in the Dark Ages that cost them dearly (03 Draft).

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Keeping Drury to trade away core pieces for what his mid self thinks is a good return and then firing him after that might be the dumbest idea I’ve heard in a while

It’s nonsensical lol

 

[Guyute]

Drury must love losing!! Over the last 10 hours:

Rangers 17th no-show this year, 3rd against the Devils.

Hartford loses and is basically out of the playoffs.

Montreal, who is run by your former boss who you stabbed in the back, wins and takes charge of the last playoff spot.

 

[MrAlmost]

Let’s not overrate Sather either, the organizational problems today like player development, drafting, and cronies are because of him. I consider his tenure overall as a failure for the simple fact he never had a clear plan or idea in building a championship roster. He got lucky in drafting Lundqvist and trading for a Jagr for pennies on the dollar. He had too many mistakes in the Dark Ages that cost them dearly (03 Draft).

Fair. And i ain't overrating him. He made bad moves for awhile. But he also built a team that was flat out ahead of the times and dictated what the NHL is now with speed. Those teams were fast and tenacious. But he also got lucky here and there and was too anxious in free agency. The cap is probably the best thing that ever happened to sather. Haha

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Correct me if these assumptions are wrong:

NHL coaching contracts are guaranteed money. As in, you can fire the coach all you want, you still have to pay him his money and term.



Jimmy D doesn't want to have to pay Quinn, Gallant, Lavi, and his replacement just out of principle. Probably not ideal having 4 coaches on the books although I guess Quinn would be off the books by now and possibly Gallant (I don't know what the terms of their deals were).

This is the only conceivable reason why this coach hasn't been fired in my mind. Everyone with a pulse knew they weren't winning this year, so how would it make any sense to have to pay yet another coach by firing Lavi mid season for a non-playoff year anyway. He's probably done the minute the clock goes to 0 on game 82.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

He wants to? Why didn't he? Why didn't he when THEY HAD FREAKIN' VALUE? Again, he bungled the Trouba trade over the summer where he could've gotten some decent value had he kept his fat mouth shut to Uncle Larry and he could've absolutely tried to trade Mika and Kreider as well, and both would've netted some really good value if they waived.

None of those guys you mentioned were waiving, dude. All 3 have kids and are settled in, all 3 love NY, and we were perennial playoff contenders. Use your brain dude.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

drury is a disaster

 

[Mike in Houston]

Lovers gonna love.

I don't even want, none of the above.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You all need to prepare for both to be back with the only change being Housley being replaced.

 

[Mike in Houston]

All I ever want is to be proud of my team, win or lose. And I'm not.

It starts at the top. Drury needs to go first and foremost.

 

[RagFinMet]

I truly feel everyone over 26 years old needs to go, management and coaches included
This season the country club rebelled like 14 year old daughters
Drury has no clue how to handle people
And on top of that, some of his moves have been ridiculously bad
The coaching has also been bad
Man to man with a slow team..really?
He ditches the 1-3-1 for way too long during our worse stretch of the season then goes back to it but i havent seen them play it in awhile..
The core has to go
Sadly, fox, pan, JT, Troch and shesty are the only players we can get real value for
All must go along with the obvious(zib, kreid, soucy, etc)
Laffy id trade too if value hasnt tanked yet
We need to start from scratch folks
Sign some FAs under 30 to lead the youngsters
(yes i know this scenario isnt realistic)

 

[Maliks PlusMinus]

Honestly I think the blame for this season lies first and foremost at the feet of the vets. There were long stretches of the season where Panarin was the only veteran skater who gave any sort of a shit (with allowances to Trocheck being hurt). Guys like Kreider, Zibanejad, Trouba? They were the ones who chose to torpedo this season because they were unhappy with the front office holding them accountable.

In a vacuum, the Laviolette choice made some sense at the time. Take a Gallant, who got the team into a decent spot but really was poor tactically. And upgrade on what was Gallant's biggest weakness, see if that puts them over the top. As it turns out, it didn't, but I think it was a worthwhile gamble to make on a team that looked like a few lucky breaks from making the Finals.

I don't have a ton of confidence in Drury, but I have less in both the veteran core and Laviolette, and if 2 of the 3 need to go, it's those 2 and not him.

Trouba hardly torpedoed the season. We were actually doing fine when he left and were 12-6–1 or so when drury sent his email.

The vets who remained for any time did torpedo the season. This is totally unacceptable and they have to be blamed too. Although, what exactly were they being ‘held to account’ for?

As you illustrate, our fairly average roster won the president’s trophy (with a million gutsy come from behind wins). The leaders, Goodrow, Trouba and Kreider were then humiliated. In point of fact, the debacle of the past year illustrates the importance of a happy locker room and suggests that those three guys were bringing leadership (even if in the case of two their performances weren’t up to scratch.) Maybe that’s why there was so much more fight last year.

This season is proof of the importance of team cohesion and everyone pulling in one direction.

I want Drury gone.
Lavi’s failure to get any results from the guys over such a long period of time means he does too, but Drury sparked this crap

 

[Mike in Houston]

Trouba hardly torpedoed the season. We were actually doing fine when he left and were 12-6–1 or so when drury sent his email.

The vets who remained for any time did torpedo the season. This is totally unacceptable and they have to be blamed too. Although, what exactly were they being ‘held to account’ for?

As you illustrate, our fairly average roster won the president’s trophy (with a million gutsy come from behind wins). The leaders, Goodrow, Trouba and Kreider were then humiliated. In point of fact, the debacle of the past year illustrates the importance of a happy locker room and suggests that those three guys were bringing leadership (even if in the case of two their performances weren’t up to scratch.) Maybe that’s why there was so much more fight last year.

This season is proof of the importance of team cohesion and everyone pulling in one direction.

I want Drury gone.
Lavi’s failure to get any results from the guys over such a long period of time means he does too, but Drury sparked this crap

Well said.

 

[GAGLine]

Correct me if these assumptions are wrong:

NHL coaching contracts are guaranteed money. As in, you can fire the coach all you want, you still have to pay him his money and term.



Jimmy D doesn't want to have to pay Quinn, Gallant, Lavi, and his replacement just out of principle. Probably not ideal having 4 coaches on the books although I guess Quinn would be off the books by now and possibly Gallant (I don't know what the terms of their deals were).

This is the only conceivable reason why this coach hasn't been fired in my mind. Everyone with a pulse knew they weren't winning this year, so how would it make any sense to have to pay yet another coach by firing Lavi mid season for a non-playoff year anyway. He's probably done the minute the clock goes to 0 on game 82.

Quinn was given a 5-year contract, and he was here for 3 years. Dolan would have had to pay him in full for the 4th year. In year 5, Quinn was the head coach of San Jose. Dolan would only have had to pay him the difference between the 2.4 mil salary he had with the Rangers and whatever salary he got from San Jose, if anything.

Gallant got a 4-year deal and only lasted 2 years. Since Gallant hasn't gotten another job since, Dolan is still paying him in full until the end of this season.

Lavi got a 3-year deal. If he is fired, Dolan will have to pay both Lavi and the new coach for 1 year, unless Lavi gets another job right away.

Dolan is very used to paying 2 coaches at the same time, and I think it's pretty much par for the course around the league. It seems pretty rare that a coach is let go the same year his contract expires. I doubt he'll worry too much about paying Lavi and bringing in a new coach, except that he might not be willing to do it under the same GM.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Trouba hardly torpedoed the season. We were actually doing fine when he left and were 12-6–1 or so when drury sent his email.

The vets who remained for any time did torpedo the season. This is totally unacceptable and they have to be blamed too. Although, what exactly were they being ‘held to account’ for?

As you illustrate, our fairly average roster won the president’s trophy (with a million gutsy come from behind wins). The leaders, Goodrow, Trouba and Kreider were then humiliated. In point of fact, the debacle of the past year illustrates the importance of a happy locker room and suggests that those three guys were bringing leadership (even if in the case of two their performances weren’t up to scratch.) Maybe that’s why there was so much more fight last year.

This season is proof of the importance of team cohesion and everyone pulling in one direction.

I want Drury gone.
Lavi’s failure to get any results from the guys over such a long period of time means he does too, but Drury sparked this crap

Im sorry, this is horse shit.

This team's season got derailed the second Laviolette decided to force fishbowl Lindgren into the top 4. They were humming and actually were playing pretty well until he did that and it threw off the balance of everything else. Don't give a f*** what their record was when the memo went out, their level of play had already beyond dipped and a correction was in the middle of occurring.

If you want to look at a second time it happened, it was when Lavi threw Kreider back into the lineup post TDL.

I think theres a lot of blame to toss at Drury's feet but "GM MEAN!" is not one of them. Tampa Bay walked away from Stamkos who had all of the love and street cred in the Lightning locker room. The old guard was not happy that they didn't even entertain the thought of a contract extension with their former captain and guy who they battled with for years (over a decade in some cases.)

They got over it.

Even if the memo pissed people off, they did have the option of playing f***ing better and making the entire thing a moot point instead of sulking and really just proving the GM right.

 

[Homelander]

He did what he could with trouba in summer. Trouba f***ed us and kreider cried.

No, no, no, no, DRURY f***ed it up. DRURY leaked it to Uncle Larry, which meant that Trouba got wind of the trade and immediately put Detroit (who he probably wouldn't have had on his NT list) on it to bar the trade from going forward.

 

[Homelander]

None of those guys you mentioned were waiving, dude. All 3 have kids and are settled in, all 3 love NY, and we were perennial playoff contenders. Use your brain dude.

Hey dude, you realize that Trouba had a LIMITED NTC. Use your brain.

 

[Maliks PlusMinus]

Im sorry, this is horse shit.

This team's season got derailed the second Laviolette decided to force fishbowl Lindgren into the top 4. They were humming and actually were playing pretty well until he did that and it threw off the balance of everything else. Don't give a f*** what their record was when the memo went out, their level of play had already beyond dipped and a correction was in the middle of occurring.

If you want to look at a second time it happened, it was when Lavi threw Kreider back into the lineup post TDL.

I think theres a lot of blame to toss at Drury's feet but "GM MEAN!" is not one of them. Tampa Bay walked away from Stamkos who had all of the love and street cred in the Lightning locker room. The old guard was not happy that they didn't even entertain the thought of a contract extension with their former captain and guy who they battled with for years (over a decade in some cases.)

They got over it.

Even if the memo pissed people off, they did have the option of playing f***ing better and making the entire thing a moot point instead of sulking and really just proving the GM right.

They did have the option of playing properly. I explicitly say they need to be blamed. The roster over performed last season and under performed this season. The clearest difference to me on the ice has been compete level. That has nothing to do with Lindgren being in or out and everything to do with team mindset, cohesion and leadership.

 

[TGWL]

I think Drury will stay. Lav is 99% gone. I'd say 100% but that 1% may depend on who they find available, and what turn-overs they have with the roster.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

They did have the option of playing properly. I explicitly say they need to be blamed. The roster over performed last season and under performed this season. The clearest difference to me on the ice has been compete level. That has nothing to do with Lindgren being in or out and everything to do with team mindset, cohesion and leadership.

They had no problem competing (and really dunking on) their opponents pre Lindgren shoehorning.

Everything fell off the second Lavi decided he wanted Lindgren back in the top 4. It's not a coincidence. They played a bunch of shitty games that followed and then the memo went out.

If you want to argue that it just added fuel to a burning fire? Okay I'll buy that. But the players themselves had the chance to put that out. They didn't do it.

If compete level is on team mindset and leadership and all those other buzz words that people love to throw around then I think we're in agreement - but that lies at the feet of the players and not the GM.

Theres other stuff to flame Drury for - Not addressing Fox's LD for years, using draft capital on rentals instead of more long term solutions, hiring nauseatingly vet friendly coaches (Lavi being the worst case of it because we saw how his Washington tenure ended and that had JUST happened) who don't have the balls to reprimand his veteran players when they do stupid shit and really just an overall stupidly conservative approach to team building.

Players acting like a bunch of babies because the GM tried to light a fire under them is not a log I'm throwing on the fire. It's been really tough to watch what is obviously the end of Kreider's tenure here considering what he's done for this franchise leading up to 2024-25 but he owns that 100%.

I think other guys (Goodrow, Trouba, Lindgren) tried their best, they just suck.

 

[Ruggs225]

Meanwhile Gorton is building up montreal quite nicely.

It was such bs how it all went down here. Would rather have JD and Gorton running this franchise than that backstabbing little weasel in Drury.

And im not even a huge Gorton fan, but he did not deserve ehat happened to him. And he did set this team up for the two ECF runs we had.

 

[NikC]

Freed up money to overpay the guy that demanded to be the highest player on the team then didn’t come close to putting his money where his mouth was. Right.

no argument from me there.. but don't forget who the owner is ...