Keep Brown or Let him go?

[Mr Positive]

Definitely yes.

Even if it ends up as a bad idea that cap hit can be buried. But as of today he's worth that. A RW Janmark, which is useful

 

[Mr Positive]

Browns cap implications next year are making some of you skewer your thought process .....which is understandable.

Browns cap hit is 775 this season, league min is 750. If we were just paying him his 775 this season, we wouldn't pick on him as much. Yes 1 goal is poor, but he was coming off an injury and I don't think anyone watching him play (especially recently) would say he's not worth league min.

Would I sign him next year for league min?? too early to say right now but my gut reaction is no. He could definitely change our minds though depending on how he finishes the season and more importantly, playoffs.

I think some of you would be surprised how many teams would take CB at league min next season even if he continues his current play.

I wonder if his scoring does increase. Maybe thats aged out of him, or maybe it's been a long recovery from his injury and lost time. Kane took long too.

I agree that other teams would want him. The other factor of course is does Brown want to be here. I suppose it depends on how much of the fan pressure is getting to him. I might not be a big deal. But there's always a good thing about a fresh start

 

[Drivesaitl]

Browns cap implications next year are making some of you skewer your thought process .....which is understandable.

Browns cap hit is 775 this season, league min is 750. If we were just paying him his 775 this season, we wouldn't pick on him as much. Yes 1 goal is poor, but he was coming off an injury and I don't think anyone watching him play (especially recently) would say he's not worth league min.

Would I sign him next year for league min?? too early to say right now but my gut reaction is no. He could definitely change our minds though depending on how he finishes the season and more importantly, playoffs.

I think some of you would be surprised how many teams would take CB at league min next season even if he continues his current play.

Sure. But its harder for Connor Brown to be playing on a club that is a contender that has generational players on it that gets closer marking, more opponent focus and intensity. Connor Brown likely goes to a team contending for lottery picks that has less pressure and plays NHL games with much less competition and intensity.

Part of what would make things difficult for Brown here is playing next to great players that can even increase his own struggles with the injury, and maybe even how well he moves, plays, puckhandles etc. Its human tendency to evaluate oneself compared to others. Even in practice, in scrimmage, and an injured non 100% Connor Brown would be fed with self doubts even on a subconscious level.

On a lesser skilled team, or a team growing a crop of young players and trying to learn how to be good NHLers Connor Brown would be a good bet, and even as a guy in the room would make contributions. This isn't the right place for him now. Not on a contender.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Definitely yes.

Even if it ends up as a bad idea that cap hit can be buried. But as of today he's worth that. A RW Janmark, which is useful

Janmark: Faster, harder, stronger, even scores, and has fought. he also hits and has consistent speed to forecheck and plays all the 200ft roles Brown does. Janmark is far from the worst utility knife and he's far above the level of Connor Brown now.

The idea, really, is even at present the best possible Connor Brown only approaches the level of play and contribution Janmark had just last season with 10G 15A 25pts playing mostly limited bottomsix minutes and pk.

Heres something too. This is the only season where Janmark has not paced to over 25pt seasons while being bottomsix hard working horse.

 

[tardigrade81]

Keep him. He’s gonna roll now.

 

[FlameChampion]

On one hand, its a league minimum deal so who cares.

But I really hope Jackson and the new GM do an investigation on the prospects and bottom 6 forwards in particular and try and figure out what the issues are.

Because it feels like theres a bigger problem at play to me. I wouldn’t be surprised if Brown, Holloway, Lavoie etc looked better elsewhere.

 

[bone]

Let's just see how the season plays out. If he somehow manages 3 or 4 goals down the stretch and contributes a few key goals in the playoffs, I'd consider something in the league minimum to max buriable range, but if that end up being the only goal he scores and is bagels in the playoffs as well, best to look elsewhere for some one who has at least has a reasonable chance at scoring at least once every 10 games.

 

[AM]

I think you have to wait for the test to be over before you grade it. And yes he’s head and shoulders above our alternatives of last year.

 

[NotASheep]

Holloway replaces him

 

[tiger_80]

Holloway replaces him

Holloway, alas, is shaping up as another overhyped project. People were penciling him into a top 6 already last year, and he's barely treading water in the NHL.

 

[Aerchon]

Browns cap implications next year are making some of you skewer your thought process .....which is understandable.

Browns cap hit is 775 this season, league min is 750. If we were just paying him his 775 this season, we wouldn't pick on him as much. Yes 1 goal is poor, but he was coming off an injury and I don't think anyone watching him play (especially recently) would say he's not worth league min.

Would I sign him next year for league min?? too early to say right now but my gut reaction is no. He could definitely change our minds though depending on how he finishes the season and more importantly, playoffs.

I think some of you would be surprised how many teams would take CB at league min next season even if he continues his current play.

I don't think this is correct.

I think much much better players have been given far more grief. I think his name is the only thing twisting perception for anyone to think such a poorly performing player would be in the NHL period.

 

[DaGap]

Browns cap implications next year are making some of you skewer your thought process .....which is understandable.

Browns cap hit is 775 this season, league min is 750. If we were just paying him his 775 this season, we wouldn't pick on him as much. Yes 1 goal is poor, but he was coming off an injury and I don't think anyone watching him play (especially recently) would say he's not worth league min.

Would I sign him next year for league min?? too early to say right now but my gut reaction is no. He could definitely change our minds though depending on how he finishes the season and more importantly, playoffs.

I think some of you would be surprised how many teams would take CB at league min next season even if he continues his current play.

I would because your bottom 6 HAS to produce

 

[Oildrum]

Go back in time and axe him at game 9. Sunk cost fallacy keeping him further. We need players who get shit done, not more dead weight.

I know hindsight is 20/20 but god damn are we ever going to regret not doing this next year when we are looking for cap room. Unless he goes on a heater in the playoffs in which case I will gladly eat my words.

Let him go all day. I would rather try out some new guys on entry level deals.

He simply can't score - Kane had to deflect one off this skate to get a goal. You need some production from those roles and he clearly doesn't have it anymore.

 

[gretzkyoilers]

I know hindsight is 20/20 but god damn are we ever going to regret not doing this next year when we are looking for cap room. Unless he goes on a heater in the playoffs in which case I will gladly eat my words.

Let him go all day. I would rather try out some new guys on entry level deals.

He simply can't score - Kane had to deflect one off this skate to get a goal. You need some production from those roles and he clearly doesn't have it anymore.

Brown was fine with Ottawa. The next two seasons after that with Washington and now the Oilers he just fell off a cliff. In his last season with Ottawa he had 39 points in 64 games. In the last two seasons in Washington and the Oilers, he has had 6 points in 60 games! He is 30 so this might be it for him in the NHL. I'd get a younger player and try them out.

 

[Messrules11]

Lmao, there’s no way you bring this player back. This thread is good for a laugh though.

 

[brentashton]

I would because your bottom 6 HAS to produce

Connor Brown and produce.

Can I have words that don’t belong together for 500, Alex?

 

[AM]

Connor Brown and produce.

Can I have words that don’t belong together for 500, Alex?

It’s kinda funny how fans have all sorts of time for players who score, but give up more then they score.

 

[brentashton]

It’s kinda funny how fans have all sorts of time for players who score, but give up more then they score.

Brown has the worst +/- on the Oilers.

 

[AM]

Brown has the worst +/- on the Oilers.

He’s also had different jobs than other players. I’m not saying he is currently acceptable but he is part of the solution when it comes to preventing goals. And the oilers haven’t had a lot of those for a long time.

 

[brentashton]

He’s also had different jobs than other players. I’m not saying he is currently acceptable but he is part of the solution when it comes to preventing goals. And the oilers haven’t had a lot of those for a long time.

Well, you arrived at that crutch faster than I expected. Good for you.

Every player on the team has responsibilities to play within a defensive system. The ones expected to score also have that responsibility, in addition. Are you suggesting only Connor Brown has a defensive role, different than other players?

+/- is a rudimentary metric, but in terms of your statement, it’s the clearest indicator. The guy is last. He’s a plug.

The lengths taken to prop up this error of a signing is edging towards comedic proportions.

 

[Aerchon]

He’s also had different jobs than other players. I’m not saying he is currently acceptable but he is part of the solution when it comes to preventing goals. And the oilers haven’t had a lot of those for a long time.

No. Just no, please stop.

There is no reason to continue to attempt to rationalize this disaster of an acquisition. Take a break, go for a walk, come back with a unbiased attitude and just accept the truth.

He is not currently playing at an NHL level. He is not worth any NHL job.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Do you feel like Letting go?

 

[Throttlehead]

Janmark: Faster, harder, stronger, even scores, and has fought. he also hits and has consistent speed to forecheck and plays all the 200ft roles Brown does. Janmark is far from the worst utility knife and he's far above the level of Connor Brown now.

The idea, really, is even at present the best possible Connor Brown only approaches the level of play and contribution Janmark had just last season with 10G 15A 25pts playing mostly limited bottomsix minutes and pk.

Heres something too. This is the only season where Janmark has not paced to over 25pt seasons while being bottomsix hard working horse.

Some career stats

Connor Brown - 504 games played
Mattias Janmark - 540 games played

Connor Brown - 215 hits
Mattias Janmark - 179 hits
Connor Brown - 0 career fights
Mattias Janmark - 2 career fights
Connor Brown - 91 goals 131 assists 222 points -19 career
Mattias Janmark - 80 goals 114 assists 194 points - 15 career
Connor Brown - 316 takeaways 208 giveaways
Mattias Janmark - 196 takeaways 223 giveaways
Connor Brown - 228 blocks
Mattias Janmark - 236 blocks

To say Janmark is fast and suggest Brown isn't is kinda absurd, Brown has plenty of speed and is good on the forecheck and back check, Janmark is ok too.

No question Brown is having an off year but lets see where it goes from here, things can change quickly as he shows signs every game, and continues to play hard without pouting. The crowd didn't give him a standing O because he's a terrible player who got a lucky goal. We'll have to look at the end of the season/playoffs and see who might be more valuable going into next season. Personally I dont see anything at the moment that says Janmark is "far above the level of Connor Brown", one fight doesn't do it.

 

[nexttothemoon]

Gagner, Holloway, Hamblin.

Any of those 3 (or platoon all 3) would have been better than having Brown in the lineup all season long (and much cheaper as well).

So no... there's better options this season and next as well.

 

[Aerchon]

Some career stats

Connor Brown - 504 games played
Mattias Janmark - 540 games played

Connor Brown - 215 hits
Mattias Janmark - 179 hits
Connor Brown - 0 career fights
Mattias Janmark - 2 career fights
Connor Brown - 91 goals 131 assists 222 points -19 career
Mattias Janmark - 80 goals 114 assists 194 points - 15 career
Connor Brown - 316 takeaways 208 giveaways
Mattias Janmark - 196 takeaways 223 giveaways
Connor Brown - 228 blocks
Mattias Janmark - 236 blocks

To say Janmark is fast and suggest Brown isn't is kinda absurd, Brown has plenty of speed and is good on the forecheck and back check, Janmark is ok too.

No question Brown is having an off year but lets see where it goes from here, things can change quickly as he shows signs every game, and continues to play hard without pouting. The crowd didn't give him a standing O because he's a terrible player who got a lucky goal. We'll have to look at the end of the season/playoffs and see who might be more valuable going into next season. Personally I dont see anything at the moment that says Janmark is "far above the level of Connor Brown", one fight doesn't do it.

The crowd gave him a standing o because he is struggling mighty and he finally did get a lucky goal...

To say otherwise is a flat out denial of reality.

Weird to even imply otherwise.

If he scored his 10th+ on the season, as he "should" he doesn't get a standing o. It was a classy move by the fans but the equivalent of a pity f*** from an old girlfriend.