Kasperi Kapanen (Aberg/J Lindgren) Traded to Pittsburgh (15OV/Hallander/E Rod/Warf to Toronto)

[Big Friggin Dummy]

He also traded for John Marino. I remember how enthusiastic this board was when that move was announced.

JR sent a 6th round pick to land a guy nobody but Kevin Stevens had any idea about. That's Stevens' find, not JR's.

 

[JackFr]

The real issue is not that the 15 OVR pick could be some superstar or great player or whatever. It's that a mid-round pick has a market value that is higher than what we got. We lost the trade on market value. We paid a price for Kapanen commensurate for receiving a 1st line winger, which he is not and never has been.

 

[K Fleur]

It just wouldn’t be the summer if we didn’t get to talk about a new JR move that seemed comically bad.

It’s funny I was just talking about how terrible Dubas is yesterday. Well f*** me I guess

 

[JackFr]

A massive win for Dumb-ass? You are kidding right? What it comes down to is Kapanen for the 2020 first rounder with Lindgren as a bonus player for the Pens. Kapanen can play in the NHL and has shown he can score and will blossom with Crosby or Malkin. So the Pens get an established player for the unknown 1st rounder...will the Leafs "hatch" a Biggs or Percy outta their behinds? The Leafs are starting the give aways early since Seattle will be on aboard in 2021...that's how I see it...the 15th pick for (LW-RW)Kapanen and (RD)Lindgren...and by prognosticators that pick will be a forward...Mercer,Quinn,Jarvis or D-man B Schneider or Dumbass goes to Sweden yet again and plucks Grans,Gunler or Wallinder

i think you meant to post this in a facebook comment section

 

[PensandCaps]

I kinda hope this is one of those situations that turns out to have no wrong answer and LW just becomes this interchangeable phenomenon the whole way up and down the lineup. Or at least in the top-six.

I just don't why, in a series where you're desperate for goals, that they never went to the trio of Guentzel/Malkin/Rust, they torched the League.

I think The team may be better with Zucker with Sid, Guentzel with Malkin.

But i guess they don't wanna disrespect Sid.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

The real issue is not that the 15 OVR pick could be some superstar or great player or whatever. It's that a mid-round pick has a market value that is higher than what we got. We lost the trade on market value. We paid a price for Kapanen commensurate for receiving a 1st line winger, which he is not and never has been.

In almost any other year, the last two years for sure, the consensus is that 15OV would be a top ten pick.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Literally nothing in the trade matters aside from the 15th overall, Hallander, and Kapanen. The rest is just white noise, a bunch of nothing.

We traded 1st liner assets for a 3rd liner from a team that had all but publicly said for weeks Kapanen was gone, and now we're praying he turns out to be a fit with Sid, probably because we f***ing drafted him and never got over trading him away.

 

[Gurglesons]

Does our 1st + Hallander + Matt Murray get you someone like Lindholm out of Calgary lol

 

[Vega]

People online and on the radio are saying “We’ll get back a first rounder for Murray!” Yeah, no. At best we’re going to get a second and a decent prospect.

 

[Empoleon8771]

At this point, what I'm hoping for is:

1. Kapanen can develop into a Zucker type of 50-60 point RWer in the top-6
2. They trade McCann for either some picks to recover what they paid for Kapanen or some bottom pair defensive help (trading this many futures for Kapanen makes me unsure if I'm okay with not getting futures for McCann)
3. They trade Murray for a good 3C option

If they go into next year with doing all of that, I'll be happy with the off-season, even with the overpayment for Kapanen.

 

[KIRK]

We need to have a larger discussion about this because it's been bugging me for awhile now. Back in the 90's, it was easy to understand why the Devils played that God-awful trap. The two-line pass rule made it a no-brainer.

But now? Why is this working? What's the secret sauce? If the only way to beat it is to do it back, in five years you end up with the worst product of all time. Coaching is regressing, We're heading in the wrong direction! And the worst part is nobody can figure out why.

I think the way to beat it is to have a defense that (a) can push the play in transition and (b) can turn it into a 5 on 5 game in the offensive zone.

I think ultimately that's what Carolina did to the Isles last year, no?

BUT, you can't just have 1 of 2 guys. You have to have a case where your worst defenseman in these areas, especially transition, is average or better.

Like the Canes last year.

Like the Pens in 2016.

EDIT: The Canes, of course, didn't match up as well with Boston, but I think the only alternative with a team like the Isles to playing their game better than they do is to have the type of defense that can beat their game.

 

[BmxHockey]

I would start mind reading top 6 projected lines. GMJR isn’t done with dealing goalie assets...

 

[Empoleon8771]

People online and on the radio are saying “We’ll get back a first rounder for Murray!” Yeah, no. At best we’re going to get a second and a decent prospect.

No, that's a worst case return. Look at what starting goalies actually get traded for. The Penguins only getting a 2nd and a decent prospect would be on the very low end of the spectrum.

 

[Turin]

McCann cannot be the teams 3C come next season.

I think the team plans for him to not be.

 

[KIRK]

Zucker - Crosby - Kapanen
Guentzel - Malkin - Rust

It's a good start.

Those line combos won't happen.

 

[PensandCaps]

Zucker will work with Malkin. He didn't because Rust and Zucker are too much of the same. The issue is that I don't think Kapanen is much different than Rust, and I'd argue he is less skilled.

Zucker - Crosby - Rust would dominate teams down low.

Guentzel - Malkin - Kapanen would own the neutral zone.

 

[Turin]

People online and on the radio are saying “We’ll get back a first rounder for Murray!” Yeah, no. At best we’re going to get a second and a decent prospect.

That sounds about the same as a first.

 

[Rave7215]

I really, REALLY buy the theory that JR confused Liljegren and Lindgren.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

But now? Why is this working? What's the secret sauce? If the only way to beat it is to do it back, in five years you end up with the worst product of all time. Coaching is regressing, We're heading in the wrong direction! And the worst part is nobody can figure out why.

Pride. Stubbornness. Being trapped in the past. Winning at literally all costs.

NHL coaches and executives really are the worst. They don't care about the product. They care about being right.

I sometimes think back on when Burke suggested that a way to decrease concussions and the like was to massively slow down the game. Maybe a lesson far too many of these dolts took to heart.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't know if Yohe actually knows something, but the idea that the rest of the lineup could look "drastically different" supports that this is going to be a busy off-season for JR.

 

[Peat]

I don't think anyone is upset about moving the 1st and Hallander. It is really the value we got back that is upsetting.

These are the types of deals that make or break a franchise to be honest. And we saw it in the deal for Reaves. And we kind of are seeing it with the deal for Brassard and Sheary and Rodrigues.

Although I think the last two deserve merit based on the need and the price versus Reaves.

Honestly I'm a little upset about losing them. I don't like our chances at removing the bottler funk this off-season and would have rather seen how this group responded, and hope we could be strong next year with a lot of kids ready.

But yeah, I accept they don't see it that way, and the value is the issue.

This trade has IMO a very wide range of outcomes. How anyone can really peg it down seems reactionary to me.

best case Kapanen explodes in our top 6. He puts it all together and fill our biggest roster hole. Lindgren becomes a capable Pettersson type defenseman. The avaliable talent at 15 0A all end up as ho hum NHlers or outright busts while Hallander is a more likable version Simon.

the bad scenario is Kapanen is what he is. A meh winger and Lindgren never returns from Europe. The 15oa is the next Barzal and Hallander is a mishmash of Kunitz, Hagelin and Hornqvist.

both are unlikely and the result will likely be something like...

Kapanen is better than he has been but not a true difference maker while Lindren get a cup of coffee as a replacement level D man. The 150a becomes an nhl player but not one you lose sleep over, Hallander is a stable contributor to a good bottom 6.

Kapanen being what he is, lindgren being nothing, and both 15OA and Hallander being NHLers with one being Kapanen level - while a better player gets traded for roughly that price - sounds a little more likely to me.

 

[Jesse]

No one has mentioned this so I'll be the one to do it. How do you all feel about the perceived Nepotism here?

Hainsey = brought back and worked out against the odds - Carolina connection
Johnson = Signed long-term, previous draftee, Carolina connection
Kapanen = Drafted once, traded for again, massive Carolina connection
Cullen = Signed twice, probably going to be an AC, Carolina connection

Go back to Carolina in 2010-2011 when he brought back Corey Stillman thinking he'd still be useful in the top six.

 

[Empoleon8771]

No one has mentioned this so I'll be the one to do it. How do you all feel about the perceived Nepotism here?

Hainsey = brought back and worked out against the odds - Carolina connection
Johnson = Signed long-term, previous draftee, Carolina connection
Kapanen = Drafted once, traded for again, massive Carolina connection
Cullen = Signed twice, probably going to be an AC, Carolina connection

Go back to Carolina in 2010-2011 when he brought back Corey Stillman thinking he'd still be useful in the top six.

I'm over it at this point because I think that's just the way JR is. JR trading for Kapanen was an ultra predictable move, so I'm not going to be mad about nepotism when I just know that's how he operates.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

That could very well be. Pronman could also be super wrong, like he was with Sprong and Pouliot.

That's the nature of scouting. But we're hearing similar things from a lot of sources, and Hallander sounds like he has a higher floor than those guys.

JR used Sundqvist as a throw-in not long ago and many questioned that at the time. This feels like a similar situation, and the player we got back doesn't address our issues well enough to justify moving a solid prospect and a mid-1st. There's a lot of "well if he bounces back then maybe..." or "if Sid can teach him to play like he wants then possibly...". And that's without addressing the PP issue.

 

[The Old Master]

People online and on the radio are saying “We’ll get back a first rounder for Murray!” Yeah, no. At best we’re going to get a second and a decent prospect.

even if we get a first, it wont be a high one.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I don't know if Yohe actually knows something, but the idea that the rest of the lineup could look "drastically different" supports that this is going to be a busy off-season for JR.

It better be, because this team needs a Hell of a lot more than Kapanen.

But no, Yohe doesn't know anything, and never has.