Karlsson vs Doughty vs Hedman

[Sasha Orlov]

Sure if you include 19 empty net goals or whatever it was.
Had the second highest 5 on 5 points, missed out on first by a point.

He was on for 126 5on5 goals against, 2nd highest was 99

Absurdly terrible numbers no matter how you slice it

 

[Golden_Jet]

He was on for 126 5on5 goals against, 2nd highest was 99

Absurdly terrible numbers no matter how you slice it yep the team had 315 against

yep had 315 against as a team.

Yes we know you hate Karlsson and Canadians, you literally make threads about them. So there’s no point in engaging with a hater.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

yep had 315 against as a team.

Yes we know you hate Karlsson and Canadians, you literally make threads about them. So there’s no point in engaging with a hater.

I have literally never made a thread on this website and also live in Canada

I’m definitely a hater but not about this lol

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Hedman basically had a 5+ year stretch where he was a top 3 offensive defensman while also being a top 3 defensive defenseman. None of the other guys can say that. Peaks you could argue but career wise definitely Hedman for me.

I get what you're saying, but the difference isn't just that Karlsson was the #1 offensive dman compared to Hedman's #3. Karlsson was astronomically better offensively than Hedman, or anyone else in the league during his prime. Karlsson was the guy running the offense on the Senators. Similar to how the Oilers give McDavid the puck and then just let him come up with something, that was pretty much Ottawa's gameplan too. Get Karl the puck and he'll create a scoring chance. Although he was Ottawa's best defenseman at puck retrievals, so it was usually him getting the puck himself, then skating it up himself (or a long stretch pass), and then running the play in the offensive zone.

That's pretty much the argument for Karlsson here because he was dynamic in a way that very few dmen in the sport have been. He is far from a traditional defenseman, very far. It's hard to compare him to a guy like Hedman because they just played completely different styles.

Indeed. Some even believe EK's Glorious 3 rounds are better than Hedman's Conn Smythe run.

It was definitely the more impressive individual effort and harder to pull off.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I have literally never made a thread on this website and also live in Canada

I’m definitely a hater but not about this lol

Ya blaming Canada would be a fairer assessment, not hating.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Ya blaming Canada would be a fairer assessment, not hating.

I don’t know what this means

 

[wetcoast]

Hedman >= Karlsson >> Doughty

Peak Karlsson circa the 2017 playoffs was the best of the group, but the fall off in his two way play in the back half of his career really hurts him here (though I do find that part of his game to be extremely underrated early in his career).

But Hedman was just so steady for so long.

Doughty is great but gets a bit overrated IMO. He's been arguably the best of them the last 2-3 years but aside from that he's behind the swedes. The polling results seem to support this.

Your observations are correct but I think alot of casual fans have Doughty 3rd mainly because of counting stats.

If one takes a closer look at overall impact and playoff scoring the argument fades for Karlsson and increases most for Doughty.

I had it Hedman, Doughty then EK but some of that was swayed upon reflection by Herman's counting stats and the case for 1a and 1b or even Doughty as first is really strong here.

 

[bobbyking]

doughty never came close to his true potential

 

[Rorschach]

I'm going to "go out on a limb" and say, if your goal is to win the Cup, I'd rather have Keith over Karlsson. As a rival fan, I respect Keith's accomplishments especially in the playoffs.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

doughty never came close to his true potential

I dunno man, for a guy whose limitations were he's pretty average sized, average skating, average shot, he killed it basically only with a big brain.

Physically he doesn't touch Karlsson or Hedman which is what makes him so impressive as a peer.

Hell I'd argue one of the reasons people don't think he's that great is because he's an ugly ass skater/he doesn't look pretty doing it.