Prospect Info: Karl Henriksson, C, 2nd round, 58th overall, 2019

[offdacrossbar]

Im just pointing out that your use of floor was weird here. Did you mean ceiling? Because I think even the people that like him realize that he can certainly be a candidate never to make the NHL.

Not really questioning your assessment. I love that you give your opinion even if it differs from others. I love that you respond to people's arguments against your opinion and own up when you've been wrong in the past unlike certain other posters that tend to offer hot takes and leave when questioned.

Thats what a message board should be about.

my belief is that with a developed 2 way game and defensive awareness like he has, he has a floor that would allow for a 3rd line checking center albeit on the small side. the motor and compete is there.

he lacks top end speed and again, imo, hes just too small to play top 6 pivot minutes so his ceiling is limited. hes an offensive project and as such, was taken too high at 58

the size, average to below shot and lack of top gear limits his upside.

the motor, iq, compete and defensive awareness says to me very projectable 3C.

 

[Cag29]

hes not. excellent isn't a word i would use when discussing his skating. lacks burst and top end. hes effective up and down ice so hes not a poor skater. hes just far from excellent.

i see his skating as something like LA's. flawed. both lack twitch skating.

but he has other holes too and some of those holes are large.

where he was picked. don't like this pick at all.

but still hoping im wrong on this one.

How many times have you watched him play? Maybe he had an off night?

 

[offdacrossbar]

How many times have you watched him play? Maybe he had an off night?

my opinions arent formed on one night performances.

his play was available for watching to anyone who watched the entire u18 tournament.

i watched all the u18 games for the most part but all of the swede games multiple times.

im a swede and thats my international team i root for and identify with.

i was well aware of karl and he was never part of my 19 draft targets ever esp. in my top 60 players.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If thats your impression after watching the U-18's, then woof.

 

[Cag29]

my opinions arent formed on one night performances.

his play was available for watching to anyone who watched the entire u18 tournament.

i watched all the u18 games for the most part but all of the swede games multiple times.

im a swede and thats my international team i root for and identify with.

i was well aware of karl and he was never part of my 19 draft targets ever esp. in my top 60 players.

Well maybe he will surprise us.

 

[Cag29]

my opinions arent formed on one night performances.

his play was available for watching to anyone who watched the entire u18 tournament.

i watched all the u18 games for the most part but all of the swede games multiple times.

im a swede and thats my international team i root for and identify with.

i was well aware of karl and he was never part of my 19 draft targets ever esp. in my top 60 players.

If I’m not mistaken I read that Lucas Raymond said Karl was the mvp of the under 18 tournament.

 

[offdacrossbar]

If thats your impression after watching the U-18's, then woof.

he played well in that tour. the entire team did. obviously.

doesn't change the player he is.

hes small. he is.

he skates ok but lacks some top end and first step twitch. also true.

he was over drafted at 58

im sure hell be a very nice prospect along with his fellow swedes lias andersson and kappoo kakko.

 

[Kovalev27]

Raymond loves him. But watching that u18 the only Swedes that did anything were the 2020 draft eligibles. The 19s outside of broberg left a lot to be desired. Henriksson if anything was the best 19

 

[offdacrossbar]

Well maybe he will surprise us.

hoping that happens

 

[offdacrossbar]

If I’m not mistaken I read that Lucas Raymond said Karl was the mvp of the under 18 tournament.

when you are fortunate enough to be centering a stud like raymond and a sniper like holtz, im not surprised

he let those 2 run wild.

Raymond loves him. But watching that u18 the only Swedes that did anything were the 2020 draft eligibles. The 19s outside of broberg left a lot to be desired. Henriksson if anything was the best 19

yeah true. the 19 class didn't really show much. broberg and karl showed up.

i like henriksson and his game, but would have preferred him in the 3/4 round range where the value was.

agree he played well but again, with less talented forwards as line mates, KH doesn't look nearly the player. imo, he was a product of playing with 2 2020 eligible top 5 players on his line !!

at 58 it was just too early.

 

[JimmyG89]

Maybe this will provide a little quality on how he produced. It wasn't all those guys.

 

[QJL]

This guy is a motor, not a passenger. He showed it all year long and at the u18s. He’s fast, athletic, creative, and consistently productive. This is a home run pick, I don’t care what the lists on this site said. I had him as a late first round talent on my board.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

I don’t see the Lias comparisson besides the fact they’re both Swedish and going to play in Frolunda in their D+1 season. I’m not an expert on Henriksson but he seems more flashy and creative compared to someone like Lias, also hes not a bad skater. Just feels like a lazy comparisson

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I'd call Henriksson one of our biggest risks. In the second round with talent on the table we swung for a small cerebral player who has the potential to be special but really needs to bring it all together in the SHL. Frolunda is not an easy team to crack and I would expect him to spend some more time in SuperElit first, making this a pretty big gamble.

He will play early on in the CHL, and Frölunda has the option to loan him out to an Allsvenskan team if the Rangers want him to get some serious minutes

 

[Miamipuck]

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[SnowblindNYR]

I don’t see the Lias comparisson besides the fact they’re both Swedish and going to play in Frolunda in their D+1 season. I’m not an expert on Henriksson but he seems more flashy and creative compared to someone like Lias, also hes not a bad skater. Just feels like a lazy comparisson

Man, this makes Lias sound like a dog...and we took him 7th overall.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Man, this makes Lias sound like a dog...and we took him 7th overall.

Didn't mean for it to sound like that, I like Lias a lot and I still believe that he could become a good 2nd line center but stylistically he seems very different to Henriksson.

 

[Aahlstroem]

He will play early on in the CHL, and Frölunda has the option to loan him out to an Allsvenskan team if the Rangers want him to get some serious minutes

Yeah, I don't really think that's gonna happen. First of all we've sent two older players on loan to Allsvenskan already which I believe is to make space for Henriksson and Raymond, secondly the teams in Allsvenskan have a sort of gentlemens agreement not to have more than three loans on SHL on their teams so they are a bit conservative to add loans unless they're sure its for the whole season.

 

[Blueblood9]

Fans complain that the rangers dont swing for the fences

Rangers swing for the fences and fans bitch and moan

I feel like i say this every yr.

Infact i think ive said for the last 2 drafts. cant remember which picks though

 

[eco's bones]

my belief is that with a developed 2 way game and defensive awareness like he has, he has a floor that would allow for a 3rd line checking center albeit on the small side. the motor and compete is there.

he lacks top end speed and again, imo, hes just too small to play top 6 pivot minutes so his ceiling is limited. hes an offensive project and as such, was taken too high at 58

the size, average to below shot and lack of top gear limits his upside.

the motor, iq, compete and defensive awareness says to me very projectable 3C.

I'm usually more inclined towards larger bottom 6 players--if they're smaller I like them to be gritty pain in the asses to play against. I really didn't hate the Henriksson pick but to me a guy has to score sometimes just to keep the goalies honest. So if his shot isn't that great that's something he'll need to work on. He's young and I don't think he's going to be a serious contender for a Rangers job for 2 or 3 years--he's got time to develop more.

 

[offdacrossbar]

I'm usually more inclined towards larger bottom 6 players--if they're smaller I like them to be gritty pain in the asses to play against. I really didn't hate the Henriksson pick but to me a guy has to score sometimes just to keep the goalies honest. So if his shot isn't that great that's something he'll need to work on. He's young and I don't think he's going to be a serious contender for a Rangers job for 2 or 3 years--he's got time to develop more.

don't disagree. hes a project and I'm not inclined to draft projects 58OA who lack size and speed.

i just dont get this pick at all ? leaves me confused. what is he ? top 60 in this draft still had some very good upside players avail.

as i said before, he was taken too high. too early imo. consensus was rnd 3-4. i think his work at the u18's stood out and that's why we chose him there. he was playing with 2 kids who will both be top 5 pics next draft, so that has to be taken into consideration. hes a skilled guy for sure but the overall package is negated by the small size and lack of real speed in his stride.

to me this is a lazy pick at 58OA. there was better value there at 58.

kid lacks size and skating to be an impact centerman but again just my opinion based upon my ranking of criteria when i draft. skating and size matter especially when its a kid who doesn't have the higher end offensive skills like KH. if hes going to be a 3C, i would prefer someone bigger and faster. boo nieves comes to mind, to me, thats the perfect 3/4C pivot.

which leaves me thinking he needs to be a skill center who can create and play with talented wingers like he did in the u18's where he put up good numbers. not sure thats where i project him as a pro.

hes a project and shows some skill for sure. and i do like swedes overall. just dont understand him taken at 58OA.

anyway, even though i didn't like where he was drafted, i do like him as a prospect and will expect him to make his debut in 2-3 years.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

According to his eliteprosects page, he was ranked:
#62 by Future Considerations
#67 by Hockeyprospect.com
#51 by McKeen's Hockey
#83 by TSN/McKenzie
#23 by NHL Central Scouting

Seems like he went right about where he was expected to

 

[eco's bones]

don't disagree. hes a project and I'm not inclined to draft projects 58OA who lack size and speed.

i just dont get this pick at all ? leaves me confused. what is he ? top 60 in this draft still had some very good upside players avail.

as i said before, he was taken too high. too early imo. consensus was rnd 3-4. i think his work at the u18's stood out and that's why we chose him there. he was playing with 2 kids who will both be top 5 pics next draft, so that has to be taken into consideration. hes a skilled guy for sure but the overall package is negated by the small size and lack of real speed in his stride.

to me this is a lazy pick at 58OA. there was better value there at 58.

kid lacks size and skating to be an impact centerman but again just my opinion based upon my ranking of criteria when i draft. skating and size matter especially when its a kid who doesn't have the higher end offensive skills like KH. if hes going to be a 3C, i would prefer someone bigger and faster. boo nieves comes to mind, to me, thats the perfect 3/4C pivot.

which leaves me thinking he needs to be a skill center who can create and play with talented wingers like he did in the u18's where he put up good numbers. not sure thats where i project him as a pro.

hes a project and shows some skill for sure. and i do like swedes overall. just dont understand him taken at 58OA.

anyway, even though i didn't like where he was drafted, i do like him as a prospect and will expect him to make his debut in 2-3 years.

From my point of view--as far as the #49 pick went I can see the Rangers taking Matt Robertson over Pavel Dorofeyev. I really can. I would have taken Dorofeyev instead but when the Rangers took Robertson I was more than okay because I saw them both as fallers from the 1st round. On the #58 and on the #68 to me there was a second and third chance to take Dorofeyev and it's not to complain that and Jones don't have a chance to become good players but IMO we should have taken Dorofeyev.

But this is always the way things go with the Rangers--there's usually some divergence of opinion between their scouting staff and what other draft experts think and sometimes (not all the time) the Rangers have turned out to be right. There are teams that like follow the general consensus of opinion and don't do as well. It's wait and see and it's also how players develop afterwards.

I'm certainly rooting for Henriksson and Jones now and Dorofeyev not so much.

 

[offdacrossbar]

From my point of view--as far as the #49 pick went I can see the Rangers taking Matt Robertson over Pavel Dorofeyev. I really can. I would have taken Dorofeyev instead but when the Rangers took Robertson I was more than okay because I saw them both as fallers from the 1st round. On the #58 and on the #68 to me there was a second and third chance to take Dorofeyev and it's not to complain that and Jones don't have a chance to become good players but IMO we should have taken Dorofeyev.

But this is always the way things go with the Rangers--there's usually some divergence of opinion between their scouting staff and what other draft experts think and sometimes (not all the time) the Rangers have turned out to be right. There are teams that like follow the general consensus of opinion and don't do as well. It's wait and see and it's also how players develop afterwards.

I'm certainly rooting for Henriksson and Jones now and Dorofeyev not so much.

agree with this. i see it the same way

robertson was a smart value pick. 1st round talent

doro would have been my choice as well

 

[Off Sides]

I too would have liked to see them take Dorofeyev

Yet like you are saying, it's a wait and see thing.