Finland's royally screwed. Now all of our top options before the season: Kipper, Lehts and Nurminen are all out. Now on top of this Toivonen is injured and probably won't be ready. It's clear that Waddle pressured Lehtonen to skip the olympics. The Atlanta front office was fuming when Lehtonen was selected to the Finnish team, so the writing was on the wall even then. Sami Kapanen said a while ago that that he's going to take a lot of **** regardless what he decides, so I think it's clear that there is a lot of pressure from NHL teams.
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TK79 said:
Yeah...it is very depressing and I am starting to lose interest in this sport. I've been a hockey fan all my life but there's a limit to everything. The Olympics is the pinnacle of sports competition and people skipping/being pressured to skip the Olympics because of minor injuries/risk of injuries makes me sick to my stomach. This is NOT how things should be. A couple more of our key guys turning the big O down and I won't even bother about the whole thing any more.
It seems that what is going unspoken is the fact that these two goalies ( Kipper and Lehtonen) are taking banned substances to be able to play pain free. No problem in the NHL but big problem for the Olympic games. Is that not possible?
Boucicaut said:
The sport? Why? It's NHL's fault.
It's NHL's fault that we didn't have best-on-best Olympics before.
It's NHL's fault that there only was the Canada Cup, which was played under NHL rules/ schedule anyway.
And now, as we're supposed to get a decent tourney, NHL teams are putting pressure on the players to skip the Olympics?
The sport is fine. Only the NHL should be blamed.
helicecopter
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And of course the NHL schedule has to keep its useless 82 games in the Olympic years too.. and shut down for only 15 days, constricting the Olympic tournament in 12 days.shawn_kemp said:
shawn_kemp said:The sport? Why? It's NHL's fault.
It's NHL's fault that we didn't have best-on-best Olympics before.
It's NHL's fault that there only was the Canada Cup, which was played under NHL rules/ schedule anyway.
And now, as we're supposed to get a decent tourney, NHL teams are putting pressure on the players to skip the Olympics?
The sport is fine. Only the NHL should be blamed.
Well, most of my favourite players play in the NHL and not being able to see those guys play in a true best-on-best tourney (although pretty soon the tourney doesn't look like one anymore) just sucks the life out of the whole thing. But I agree, NHL teams are the culprits here and I shouldn't blame the game for it.
Jussi
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The NHL could have it easier on themselves and the players had they e.g. started the season about a week earlier, thus giving time for a longer Olympic break (last games on Saturday, season resumes on Wednesday or Thursday after the games).
helicecopter
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Boucicaut said:
I think you're blowing this out of proportion now. How many players have confirmed that they're skipping the Olympics? It's just a handful. I understand your frustration that many of them are Fins, but I would say 95% of the players named to the 12 teams will be in Torino unless legitimately injured.
TK79 said:
kapanen is on the flyers right? if Kapanen get **** for going, imagine what Forsberg will get. Sad.
SectionX said:
True, but I have faith in Forsberg. He'll go to the Olympics even if he's injured. Not just because it's Swedens (or the Golden generation's) "last chance" to really compete for a gold medal in a long time, but because Foppa's a guy with great attitude.
Someone mentioned losing interest in hockey cause of all the quitters. I feel the same way, cuz let's say if both Sami Kapanen and Forsberg drops out, the Turin Olympics will lose a lot of it's excitement before it even started, from a scandinavian perspective.
Oh the conspiracy stories.Padawan said:
Ever consider... pain killers? It's a chornic hip injury, he can play through it. In fact, he was injured in the first game of the regular season.
But no, Kiprusoff should have played and got Finland disqualified from the tournment for taking banned substances that are in pain killers, right?
And that's why the withdrew, simple as that.psycho_dad said:
No I wouldn't. In fact, I hope Iginla and Regehr withdraw from the Olympic from a mysterious injurypsycho_dad said:
so they'll be fresh for the playoffs. To be honest, I don't have very much "Team Canada pride" - I'm a Flames fan before I'm a Team Canada fan. I'd rather see the Flames win the cup then Canada win a Gold.
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So you are saying that NHL is pro doping? What happens now when the NHL has agreed to ban doping?Phanuthier said:
Pain killers? Maybe, most likely but wouldn't it be better for him the heal the injury right after it happened? That would have been best for him and would have extended his career in the long run. Pain killers allow him to play but injury gets worse every game and it gets longer and harder to heal properly. It would have been better for the Flames as well in the long run imo.
There will be no "long run" if Kiprusoff sits out 4 weeks. That's why Kiprusoff is sitting out the Olympic break. If Sutter can get a backup, Kiprusoff might get another week or so too to fully heal it. Otherwise, he's back on those pain killers.Padawan said:
helicecopter
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Not every pain killers contains banned substances.Phanuthier said:
If they are so sick that they already know they won't be able to play one month later, they wouldn't have been playing two weeks ago for their NHL teams either. Got it?Phanuthier said:
After reading your other posts, this is not surprising at all.. and in the end you seem to suggest people wondering about those injuries are not on drugs..Phanuthier said:
edd1e
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These Calgary fans just came here to mock us finns. I just wonder where are the manners?
Sami Kapanen is out too, and i for one dont hate any of these players, hope they'll get healthy and keeps playing hockey.
Sami Kapanen is out too, and i for one dont hate any of these players, hope they'll get healthy and keeps playing hockey.
Padawan said:
I think NHL is just testing things like steroids while in Olympics there is much larger group of drugs which are beeing tested. Ie. last Olympics Tommy Salo couldn't take drugs for some minor cold since most of drugst for cold in NA are containing stuf which are/could be show as positive in drugtest in Olympics. I wouldn't be surprised if Kipper&Lehtonen would get drugs which are totally illegal in Olympics.
Not saying that's the reason for this, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised of it.
John Flyers Fan said:
Toivonen: 2.63 GAA, .914 SV%
Niittymaki: 2.82 GAA, .899 SV%
Toivonen has the better numbers behind a worse defence. I don't see how you can easily say that Niittymaki has outplayed Hannu Toivonen.
Also, for the AHL playoffs, Providence was a team that should not have made the playoffs. They made it, and beat Manchester and Lowell, who were much better teams. Why? It was because Hannu Toivonen gave them a chance. If it wasn't for Hannu, Providence would have missed the playoffs last year.
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the way Juuso Riksman has played this season, id rather see him than Norrena. Toivonen and Niittymaki to be the first 2...
What exactly is the banned substance in pain killers?helicecopter said:
Because the injury is a chronic injury. Got it?helicecopter said:
I keep on bringing this up, and it keeps on blowing over some people's heads. Kiprusoff is an employee of the Calgary Flames. Kiprusoff is paid by the Calgary Flames to be a No 1 goalie. His priorities are to being a No 1 goalie and playing 65-70 games for the Calgary Flames. That is why he is getting paid 3.5 million dollars by the Calgary Flames. If he can play, he is going to play for the Calgary Flames. Playing for Finland is not the concern of the Calgary Flames and would be for personal reasons. Now because Kiprusoff is healthy enough to play for the Calgary Flames but his injuries will not heal without rest Kiprusoff is healing it during a schedualed break, rather then pursuing interests.
Got it?
Note: Please note the bold words to help you figure out what you couldn't figure out before
helicecopter
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What we are discussing in this thread is the eventuality (probability) of the Flames influencing/forcing his decision.. (which would be against the agreement the NHL, hence the Flames too, signed with the IIHF. During the Olympic break Kiprusoff owes nothing to the Flames). Would that be 100% his own freewill idea to not pursuing his interests and rest during the Olympic break then you would have point.Phanuthier said:
Note: Please note the bold words to help you figure out the point of the whole thread.
Way to be completely out to lunch.helicecopter said:
Did the Flames force Kiprusoff to withdraw?
Or did they say that Kiprusoff would not be given time during the NHL schedual to rest his injury? You said it above, the Flames influenced, they didn't force. My quote clearly explains (which completely blew over your head) the reasons why the Calgary Flames have an interest in what Mikka Kiprusoff does that will affect their franchise.
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