Let me ask you: if you think it's a fair bet he can rebound, how much would you bet on it? Specifically, would you give him a 1 year contract to prove it? Or do you think he's rightfully earned a 2 year contract?
Confirmed with Link: Kapanen re-signs for 2 years at $3.2 million AAV
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Let me ask you: if you think it's a fair bet he can rebound, how much would you bet on it? Specifically, would you give him a 1 year contract to prove it? Or do you think he's rightfully earned a 2 year contract?
I'd be happier with him gone, but at least this way the team has him on a reasonable contract. They can now trade him and get something back rather then nothing. So while I'd probably be happiest with him already gone this is probably the best asset management tack to take.
I see 3 possible outcomes
1. he will rebound get a spot in the top 6 and then he's a bargain.
2. he's better then last season and fills a tweener role and is worth that contract.
or lastly
3. He doesn't rebound, and with only a 3.2M x 2 cap hit someone will take a chance on him. Even if all we get back is a 3rd/4th round pick for him or he's used as a sweetener as part of a larger deal. Either way it's better to get something then nothing.
The only way this is a total Ass move is if is actually blocking a potential trade or some forward out of WBS that is on the verge of breaking out. AND we keep him on the roster while he is struggling for too long.
I think we give him until christmas and if he's not showing signs of turning it around you trade him...
I see 3 possible outcomes
1. he will rebound get a spot in the top 6 and then he's a bargain.
2. he's better then last season and fills a tweener role and is worth that contract.
or lastly
3. He doesn't rebound, and with only a 3.2M x 2 cap hit someone will take a chance on him. Even if all we get back is a 3rd/4th round pick for him or he's used as a sweetener as part of a larger deal. Either way it's better to get something then nothing.
The only way this is a total Ass move is if is actually blocking a potential trade or some forward out of WBS that is on the verge of breaking out. AND we keep him on the roster while he is struggling for too long.
I think we give him until christmas and if he's not showing signs of turning it around you trade him...
nah, I see it the other way around…the only way we’re going to value out of Kap is if he’s playing on L2…he can’t “rebound” and have a big year playing next to Jeff “I do nothing well enough but shoot anymore” Carter…I’d give Kap a tryout to start the season, if he’s not traded, on L2 and see how things are going…
GCR
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Umm, that’s where you lost me. And I think everyone else in the world.
If Kapanen made $1M last year and had the season he did and someone asked “what do you think is a reasonable contract for him”, anyone in their right mind would say the same $1M or maybe a raise to $1.25M.
So just because he made $3.2M last year does not mean him not getting a raise means it’s a reasonable contract. In fact, it’s a total shit-garbage contract unless it’s for a team like Chicago who’s desperate to hit the cap floor and can’t attract players without overpayment.
Sidgeni Malkby
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Possibility 1...
What you said. A deal is in the works. I don't necessarily feel he looks better locked in for 2 years, as ultimately he's still an RFA after 1, however, I can see it both ways for a potential buyer.
Possibility 2...
That he would have not signed and gone in arbitration. Received 1 year @ $3.5M (or higher) in arbitration, and therefore the $3.2M x 2 was the compromise.
Unsure what is true...
I don't remember who said this, but they said Rackell is a natural LW, and proposed:
Rackell - Malkin - Kapanen
The RMK line.
With Zucker on the 3rd line, we actually are improving our bottom 6. Though I debate if the RMK line would handle defensive responsibilities appropriately.
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This. It’s the only rational and appropriate response a reasonable person could have.
Kapanen walking in 1 year is approximately 1 year too late for my liking.
I don't think he's smart enough to be a good defensive player
HandshakeLine
A real jerk thing
I don't think you need to be smart or defensively sound to PK, tbh. It's largely a "skill" of learning a system and following it.
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Weirdly, didn't Geno say he wanted Kap back as a Pen?
Tender Rip
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Well.... Kap brings us over the cap.
Not a good deal for what he did last year, OK if he is like the previous season's iteration. In any event likely/hopefully high on the list of assets Hextall would look to trade.
It was never likely that Hex would accept any outcome that risked him walking. Its not in him, and that's mostly a good thing with our asset situation.
Not a good deal for what he did last year, OK if he is like the previous season's iteration. In any event likely/hopefully high on the list of assets Hextall would look to trade.
It was never likely that Hex would accept any outcome that risked him walking. Its not in him, and that's mostly a good thing with our asset situation.
Zbynek
Jarry friggin sucks dude
KK is apparently a favorite in the locker room. It's the one positive thing I can say about him.Weirdly, didn't Geno say he wanted Kap back as a Pen?
Zbynek
Jarry friggin sucks dude
I also thought qualifying him as an asset management move. But how much value does KK really have at 2x$3.2million in this cap climate?
How much of a "risk" was it letting him walk, if we could have saved 3.2 million cap?
How difficult is it to replace Kapanen's 11, 11, 13 goal seasons with internal WBS options or from Poehling/Archibald?
his kind of thought has occurred to me. I'm not sure how well Carter's and Kapanen's skillsets match up here, and neither feels that secure defensively.
OtherThingsILike
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I'd rather have not qualified him if it meant paying him this much. Still, I suppose this contract aligns with the 100,000K per point 'rule'.
Capfriendly says Rutta can play both sides. I don't know when he did. Maybe Chicago?Unless Hextall has a plan to bring in a different LD, he's kinda stuck with Petts. Can't really run a POJ-Petry or Smith-Petry 2nd pairing.
I wonder if Rutta plays LD at all.
There are other unsigned forwards that we could've signed instead.
Randy Butternubs
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Given your post history I have a really hard time figuring out if you're serious here.
Especially since I think you dislike the Petry move?
domaug
Play Virtua Fighter, let's go Pens
Weirdly, didn't Geno say he wanted Kap back as a Pen?
Kapanen blackmailing Geno??
Given your post history I have a really hard time figuring out if you're serious here.
Especially since I think you dislike the Petry move?
Give him a break. He's just confusing Kapanen with DOC.
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Yeah, I think people are a little in denial about what speedy 3rd liners with some skill and potential will fetch on the market.
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I don't think Kap's deal is going to be hard to move, anymore so than any other player we have on the roster. (Note, this does not mean he'll garner a big return.) It's actually probably easier than moving McGinn or Carter's deals, to be honest. I also think people are kidding themselves if they think an equivalent player is going to be much cheaper than what Kap makes now or that we were were even thinking of bringing in another top 6 winger.
People just keep playing themselves.
People just keep playing themselves.
