Value of: K'andre Miller

[Pavel Buchnevich]

How about something like this in the offseason?

To SJ:
K'Andre Miller
Jacob Trouba

To NYR:
Quentin Musty
Mario Ferraro
2025 SJ 2nd (currently #34 overall)

Can we change this from Musty to Bordeleau? We lack centers, and even if Bordeleau might not be an NHL center we could use anyone with some middle 6 potential at center.

 

[Hodge]

Can we change this from Musty to Bordeleau? We lack centers, and even if Bordeleau might not be an NHL center we could use anyone with some middle 6 potential at center.

Sure, but that seems light on value going to the Rangers. Bystedt is probably the guy you want if you're looking for a center but I'd be a little more hesitant to trade him than Musty for that reason.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Sure, but that seems light on value going to the Rangers. Bystedt is probably the guy you want if you're looking for a center but I'd be a little more hesitant to trade him than Musty for that reason.

Yeah, I get what you're saying.

A winger is the last thing we need (that and a RHD). We have Perreault, Othmann, and Berard who are all looking to push into our top 9 for next season. Musty is good, but probably not what we need.

I'd prefer Bystedt, but I don't blame you guys if he's not someone you want to trade.

 

[SML2]

lol. What the hell is this? When do ten player trades happen between two teams? Aside from that, no interest at all from this Ducks fan.

Yeah thats Bern being Bern.

 

[AirGut]

Sure, but that seems light on value going to the Rangers. Bystedt is probably the guy you want if you're looking for a center but I'd be a little more hesitant to trade him than Musty for that reason.

In the context of what Drury would be looking for, Bystedt almost certainly fits the bill.

 

[w e l o s t b o y s]

Miller at 24 vs. Brady Sjkei at 24? Seems similar

 

[AirGut]

Miller at 24 vs. Brady Sjkei at 24? Seems similar

Similar flaws too. Miller is much bigger though and in the right situation could thrive. I feel like the west-coast is more his thing

 

[Bobby9]

We will give u Hoglander, 2025 2nd, and u can take Forbort as a sweetener. Good 6’4 guy, can skate like the wind, is the toughest dman in the league, he’s currently NOT injured, and he has the best shot on the team. Honestly I think a 1st round coming back is in order.

Ignore him

 

[Crazy8oooo]

1. There are signif # of players dealt in recent years, big trades, approaching 10 total.

2. In addition to the above, some where 3 team-ers, so total assets was even closer to if not 10 or above

3. Your critique of 10 as a hard # is arbitrary.

4. B'c it bends, buckles and breaks in capitulation to the fact that the key factor is quality of deal components if that = profit/worth it, not quantity as overriding.

5. Is unnec. but deal can be restructured into 2 or more deals, e.g., spin Helleson and Robertson in one sep deal.

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You are entitled to yr opinion.
I and others thumb up it.

peace out til tom

Like you said in #2, it would involve more than two teams to generally include so many players in a trade.

And yeah, you had a whopping 1 thumbs up. It’s a pretty unrealistic proposal but to each their own. Carry on.

 

[Thechozen1]

I’d take him on the Jets.

 

[Cancuks]

Just a season or so ago, Ranger fans were wondering if Miller would get 8x8 or more on his new deal. What happened?

 

[Lion Hound]

Weird player to evaluate.

Pros
Maybe the best athlete on the Rangers.
Very strong skater
Really good stick defending off the rush when he is on his game.
Decent shot
Likes to join the rush
Physical specimen


Cons
10 Cent head
No fight in the dog
Loses alot of battles he should be winning


Rangers put him up with Fox at #1LD and together they have strong metrics. Rangers keep him on the 2nd pairing and he is a mistake making machine. When he is bad he is brutal. When he is on, it makes you say where has this player been?

Among the Rangers areas of Concern is LD. For that reason i don't think they move him during the season but maybe in the offseason he could be a player that is moved. Espeially with the Cap crunch the team will have next season.

 

[bernmeister]

Like you said in #2, it would involve more than two teams to generally include so many players in a trade.

And yeah, you had a whopping 1 thumbs up. It’s a pretty unrealistic proposal but to each their own. Carry on.

your admission is too limited to be acceptable.
My overriding pt about bottom line is quality of pieces, not quantity, supersedes.

If you feel quality of value is not good, pls feel free to amplify.
But justify your position by showing why.
let the merits prevail

Weird player to evaluate.

Pros
Maybe the best athlete on the Rangers.
Very strong skater
Really good stick defending off the rush when he is on his game.
Decent shot
Likes to join the rush
Physical specimen


Cons
10 Cent head
No fight in the dog
Loses alot of battles he should be winning


Rangers put him up with Fox at #1LD and together they have strong metrics. Rangers keep him on the 2nd pairing and he is a mistake making machine. When he is bad he is brutal. When he is on, it makes you say where has this player been?

Among the Rangers areas of Concern is LD. For that reason i don't think they move him during the season but maybe in the offseason he could be a player that is moved. Espeially with the Cap crunch the team will have next season.

they should keep him unless enuf profit in a deal
should not jettison for sake of moving

 

[bernmeister]

Yeah thats Bern being Bern.

you and Foxys can also capitulate to the reality of my pt that quality > quantity

 

[SML2]

Bern, the fact that you routinely come up with trades involving 10+ players or assets changing hands when the only one I can ever remember was the Doug Gilmour to Toronto trade tells me that you are more than a couple of steps off base.

 

[bernmeister]

Bern, the fact that you routinely come up with trades involving 10+ players or assets changing hands when the only one I can ever remember was the Doug Gilmour to Toronto trade tells me that you are more than a couple of steps off base.

again
quality > quantity
cap and other factors often necessitate large deals
or multiple smaller deals in lieu of, but that is basically tantamount to a larger proposed deal

people want simple solutis to complex probs --- this does NOT = reality
instead
try complex solutions that actually work, and smooth edges where possible, even if after the fact

 

[Crazy8oooo]

again
quality > quantity
cap and other factors often necessitate large deals
or multiple smaller deals in lieu of, but that is basically tantamount to a larger proposed deal

people want simple solutis to complex probs --- this does NOT = reality
instead
try complex solutions that actually work, and smooth edges where possible, even if after the fact

Interesting that you bring up reality after posting a two team, ten player trade. Nothing gets more realistic than that.

 

[bernmeister]

Interesting that you bring up reality after posting a two team, ten player trade. Nothing gets more realistic than that.

You mean the ones for which there is precedent?

And even if there were no precedent or other factors as I outlined, bottom line is STILL quality of assets received vs surrendered, not quantity.

learn w/the bern

 

[rt]

Weird player to evaluate.

Pros
Maybe the best athlete on the Rangers.
Very strong skater
Really good stick defending off the rush when he is on his game.
Decent shot
Likes to join the rush
Physical specimen


Cons
10 Cent head
No fight in the dog
Loses alot of battles he should be winning


Rangers put him up with Fox at #1LD and together they have strong metrics. Rangers keep him on the 2nd pairing and he is a mistake making machine. When he is bad he is brutal. When he is on, it makes you say where has this player been?

Among the Rangers areas of Concern is LD. For that reason i don't think they move him during the season but maybe in the offseason he could be a player that is moved. Espeially with the Cap crunch the team will have next season.

Would this have been the same evaluation you’d have provided 12-18 months ago?

 

[LokiDog]

Would this have been the same evaluation you’d have provided 12-18 months ago?

I agree with his assessment. I think 12-18 months ago I’d have said very much the same thing, but I wouldn’t have said no fight in the dog… that’s newer. Also the battles he was losing that he maybe should have won I would have chalked up to age and inexperience and said hopefully he fills out and remedies that. Instead of getting stronger in battles and developing more compete, he seems to have gone the other way and checked out a bit. His hockey IQ was always going to be the biggest question mark as to his ceiling, the lack of compete level given his physical gifts is more frustrating as that’s on him to remedy.

Ultimately however I believe the Rangers have extremely poor leadership and a weak room, are prone to tuning coaches out within 1.5 seasons and generally will regret moving Miller. There’s absolutely no reason he shouldn’t be capable of rounding into a great #3. So many Rangers make lazy mistakes and have bad compete I’m beyond extremely reluctant to put it on a 24 year old who has shown he can be very effective in this league already. I don’t think he was a flash in the pan. I think he’s still an unfinished product with immense upside on a team that’s heavily dysfunctional.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

I just read his own topic on the Rangers board.

A joy to read, comparisons with Leetch and Hedman, just two seasons ago.

 

[Goptor]

Very similar situation to the Winnepeg-NYR Trouba trade. Trouba being more valuable as a RHD.

Late 1st + promising young player without draft pedigree.

 

[DJN21]

Package him with kakko and chytil for McDavid and drai...obviously.

 

[AirGut]

Package him with kakko and chytil for McDavid and drai...obviously.

Miller & Kakko will most likely be used for a bigger defensive upgrade depending on who's made available in the next year or two. Rangers have one of the best RW prospects in the NHL, it's time to cut some of the fat off the team.