Value of: K'Andre Miller next contract/trade

[smoneil]

This is the list of players who have signed offer sheets since the implementation of the salary cap in 2005:

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Only 2 were not matched. Only 2 have been signed in the last 10 years, and one of those was a revenge signing for the other. Which team wants to piss off the Rangers? You know Dolan won't let something like that go.

Weber is the only player on this list who was arbitration eligible when he signed the offer sheet.

Assuming either Chytil or the team elect arbitration, there will only be a very short window during which he can sign an offer sheet. The odds that he signs one are extremely low.

There aren't many teams that have the cap space to offer sheet one of these players, never mind both. And if they offer sheet both, they can't use the same draft picks for both, and they can only use their own draft picks. So one would have to be 2nd round compensation and the other 1st and 3rd.

None of Miller, Chytil or Laf will sign offer sheets.

See, of the three, Chytil is the one I'm really worried about. He's done everything he's been told to do, he's had some issues with communication and coaches, he might see himself as being blocked here (w/Zib and Trocheck ahead of him), and his coach literally just said that he's not likely to ever see real power play time here. If he sees himself as a 2nd line (potentially better) center who should be on a 1st PP unit, why wouldn't he look for situations that will offer him a better opportunity to prove that and reap the rewards that would follow? Of all the three RFAs, Chytil is the one with the most reason to sign one and (because of the things mentioned above) that the team might be hesitant to match due to needing cap space for Miller. I hope it doesn't happen (Chytil's a personal favorite), but the possibility seems ripe.

 

[smoneil]

This is extremely difficult. He's coming off an awful season. 6 or 6.5 for what is essentially a mediocre 2nd pairing or tremendously overpaid 3rd pairing defenseman. He's has 3 more seasons remaining. Tough sell, especially when the whole league knows the Rangers have serious cap problems.

A significant pick is going to be needed to go along with him, or you're taking back 3-4M in salary.

This isn't getting rid of Ryan Reaves and one year of 1.75.



I think it's silly to think any GM is going to be scared of Sather. He's 80 and not even the GM.

Re: the bold--There are two reasons I think Trouba would be an easy-enough move if the Ranger's retained a bit as Bern indicated. First is that the league, historically, has shown that it values players like Trouba far more than we do on HFBoards. We are always surprised when such players return value in a trade or get signed to a big contract. I can just about guarantee you that most people in the league don't see him as a negative player overall, and would jump at him at 6m. The second reason is that I just don't see any move with him happening until his NMC converts to a LNTC next year. That would make it ~6m for two more seasons in an offseason where (according to expectations) the cap would have just seen a big jump (ie: all the GMs with money burning a hole in their pockets). With those things being the case in summer 2024? I highly doubt the Rangers would need to attach anything to move Trouba with $2m retained. Quite the opposite--I think they might get a nice asset in return.

Re the last line--Sather isn't the GM, but Drury pretty much reports to Dolan through him. And he's got a reputation for being pretty vindictive. The NHL is a very small community, and Sather is a noted member of the good old boys club. They aren't going to piss in his Post Toasties just for jollies. There are less risky ways up picking up a 2nd pair LD.

 

[SML2]

Fox is doing stuff with Dunkin i believe. Also Mac, G, and Staal all were in some commercials back when

I have seen Ovi and Pasternak in more commercials than any Ranger.

 

[pld459666]

Player deserving an offer sheet and actually SIGNING one are very different worlds.

I doubt he signs a OS with the difference being a measly 1 million annually.

The Rangers window of competing is just opening. The team that can afford to extend an OS are more than likely bottom feeders.

Aside from $$, what's the incentive on Miller's part?

Now, if you are talking 8 per over 7 years, yeah, I can see him signing that

I have not heard any rumblings that there has been any issues during negotiations, so I'm not really expecting Key to sign an OS

 

[GAGLine]

something like 4 yrs x 5 mil.

Zero chance that he signs a 4 year deal. That won't be on the table. 4 years takes him to unrestricted free agency without buying any UFA years. GMs never do that unless they have no other choice. It never happens on a player's 2nd contract.

 

[ElLeetch]

I’m assuming Cale Makar is a good comparison going by what rangers fans speak of him

Makar is a bit better than KAM, on about the same order of scale that Fox is better than Makar.

 

[bernmeister]

Who's the last Ranger you've seen in a commercial besides Henrik Lundqvist? Everyone says NY gives opportunities but I don't see anyone. Granted I am upstate so I may be missing it but who is getting these opportunities?

the fact is, they are there. Whether players want/when they decide to go there, is another story, but obv, the opportunities are there esp for quality players. Guys making mils don't NEED to be pitchmen, but pt was if KAM wants to add a few buck for him not squeezing every nickel out of NYR w/cap concerns, he can go there

They will always be the Rags to me.

And your unprovoked disrespect to an entire fan base speaks negatively about you, and that is entirely on YOU.
totally CLASSLESS

 

[Gardner McKay]

KAM shouldn't go anywhere. He has made huge leaps each year. On pace for 41 points this year at 23 years old. On my list of untouchable Rangers, he is fourth behind Fox, Sheshterkin and Zibbby, and just ahead of Chytil.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Zero chance that he signs a 4 year deal. That won't be on the table. 4 years takes him to unrestricted free agency without buying any UFA years. GMs never do that unless they have no other choice. It never happens on a player's 2nd contract.

So 3 yrs at 4.25 or 5 yrs at 5.5?

 

[GAGLine]

So 3 yrs at 4.25 or 5 yrs at 5.5?

Probably something like that, yeah.

 

[Boondock]

the fact is, they are there. Whether players want/when they decide to go there, is another story, but obv, the opportunities are there esp for quality players. Guys making mils don't NEED to be pitchmen, but pt was if KAM wants to add a few buck for him not squeezing every nickel out of NYR w/cap concerns, he can go there


And your unprovoked disrespect to an entire fan base speaks negatively about you, and that is entirely on YOU.
totally CLASSLESS

Really a nick name like the Rags triggers you that much? I think it might be a bigger issue for you than any one else which clearly speaks to you. I would say CLASSLESS but I would remove the CL and the LESS

 

[bernmeister]

Really a nick name like the Rags triggers you that much? I think it might be a bigger issue for you than any one else which clearly speaks to you. I would say CLASSLESS but I would remove the CL and the LESS

by all means, continue to show us all how you roll.
those who have nothing to say often say NOTHING.

It is a matter of effin courtesy, or are you too obtuse to pick that up?

 

[KevinRedkey]

Makar is a bit better than KAM, on about the same order of scale that Fox is better than Makar.

Lmao. Take the homer glasses off.

 

[ElLeetch]

Lmao. Take the homer glasses off.

Fox is Elite on offense and defense. Makar is only elite on one of those things.

Makar wishes he had a card like this:

https://forums.hfboards.com/attachments/download-19-png.632610/

 

[TBF1972]

Devil's advocate: Why would he sign that? Offer sheet compensation for a deal up to 4,201,488 is a second round pick. Up to 6,302,230 is a First and a Third. If he's actually as good as everyone says, why wouldn't an opposing GM throw a 5M+ offer at him just to make Drury's life miserable? They could throw the same type of deal at Chytil and put the Rangers in a really bad spot.

why do the devils take over every thread? they haven't won anything.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Pay him 10m for 5 years he's worth it. Do it

 

[mphmiles]

Another goal last night. I don't think he signs an offer sheet, but I also think anyone believing the Rangers will be able to sign him for $4M or less is fooling themselves. (Unless it's like a one year deal with assurances that he's getting the bag in a year)

He's a 23 year old defensive-minded blueliner, on pace for 45 points, while getting virtually no power play time.

 

[GAGLine]

Another goal last night. I don't think he signs an offer sheet, but I also think anyone believing the Rangers will be able to sign him for $4M or less is fooling themselves. (Unless it's like a one year deal with assurances that he's getting the bag in a year)

He's a 23 year old defensive-minded blueliner, on pace for 45 points, while getting virtually no power play time.

Dobson's 4 mil x 3 year contract is still the best comparable. The AAV could be higher and/or the years less, but it won't be substantially more than what Dobson got. The Rangers likely won't sign him long term because they don't have the cap space, though they could create the space by moving (or worst case buying out) Goodrow.

 

[Profet]

Zero chance that he signs a 4 year deal. That won't be on the table. 4 years takes him to unrestricted free agency without buying any UFA years. GMs never do that unless they have no other choice. It never happens on a player's 2nd contract.

Isn't that what happened with Aho?

Probably the biggest reason Aho signed the offer sheet was because it got him to UFA status right away. Something that Carolina didn't want to happen, but was forced into by Montreal.

 

[GAGLine]

Isn't that what happened with Aho?

Probably the biggest reason Aho signed the offer sheet was because it got him to UFA status right away. Something that Carolina didn't want to happen, but was forced into by Montreal.

Aho signed a 5 year deal that bought 1 UFA year. He's currently in his 7th NHL season and has 1 year left on his contract.

 

[Profet]

Aho signed a 5 year deal that bought 1 UFA year. He's currently in his 7th NHL season and has 1 year left on his contract.

Ah ok... mis remembered... but close enough.

This is my fear with the Rangers' young RFA's... offer sheets from teams that the players have no intention of actually playing for.

Basically just teams screwing over the Rangers by bringing their young players to UFA much sooner than they would like.

 

[GAGLine]

Ah ok... mis remembered... but close enough.

This is my fear with the Rangers' young RFA's... offer sheets from teams that the players have no intention of actually playing for.

Basically just teams screwing over the Rangers by bringing their young players to UFA much sooner than they would like.

There have only been 2 offer sheets in the last 10 years, and one was a revenge signing for the other. Lots of people said that Kakko would sign an offer sheet last summer and it didn't happen. The odds of Miller (or Laf or Chytil) signing an offer sheet are next to zero.

There are a limited number of teams with cap space and they all have their own players to worry about. And you know that if a team did offer-sheet a Rangers' player, whether it was matched or not, Dolan would retaliate. I'm sure the other GMs know that too.

 

[Lion Hound]

Bella Hadid is his new agent!

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

imo prob yes assuming trade is not more profitable.
But who has cap for that, can + will do that?
Again, if he wants a cup AND get paid, a team w/a young emerging core is best, and that is Rangers

Seattle, Carolina, and Buffalo would be in fine position to offer Miller a nice OS. An offer sheet from the first two would be nasty since their 1st won't be very valuable.