Speculation: Kakko

[The Gr8 Dane]

This isn't a reclamation project I'd want to take on but I wish him the best in the NHL I'm sure there are teams that would be willing to give him a shot.

You don't have to take him on as a reclamation project , he can just be a third liner its OK , not everybody can be a top 6 offensive weapon. You can still be an important piece on a team even if you dont put up 50+points

 

[Lt Dan]

You don't have to take him on as a reclamation project , he can just be a third liner its OK , not everybody can be a top 6 offensive weapon. You can still be an important piece on a team even if you dont put up 50+points

Indeed


and if he wasn't selected where he was there would be a completely different perception of him

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Indeed


and if he wasn't selected where he was there would be a completely different perception of him

Yup but that's a Rangers problem not the rest of the leagues hehe

 

[Lt Dan]

hehe

 

[Sinbad]

We all know TML has the best players in NHL and piled up 10`s of cups the last 50yrs. An RFA who has more 5vs5 points than Zibanejad and Kreider is probably worth something? Atleast when he is +9 and Zibanejad -17... ooh, and with 13min/gp on the 3rd line. I understand you bleed blue, but hockey-knowledge aint your bright side.
When your "top-players" dont produce - blame the 3rd liner who is 2nd in +/- on the team. It`s a goal-scoring game and scoring more goals than the opposition usually win games?

You keep throwing out the fact that he has more 5 vs 5 points than Zibanejad and Kreider like that is some kind of accomplishment. Everyone know those two have been dogs**t this season and is a big reason why the Rangers are where they are. If you are trying to sell Kakko you should use better players in your comparisons because out performing those do doesn’t mean a hell of a lot.

 

[Uberpecker]

Kakko for Cozens (25% retained)

Not worth it for Buffalo.

 

[Romang67]

"Has long been considered an overrated stat" - By stupid fans, with no knowledge whatsoever! If a player play minimal PP/PK, thoose stats are very valuable! Your team score more than the opponent and you are a valuable piece for the team. Use your brain. It helps.


Never seen a mod this biased. Get some help. You actually might have some problems...

+/- is only a bad statistic if you try to use it for any type of predictive measure. If you try to use it to record how many goals for a player has been on the ice for on even strength*, PK, or empty net situations, and subtract the number of goals against a player has been on the ice for on even strength, PP, or empty net situations, it's quite the good statistic.

So no, it's not a valuable stat. But it does keep a record of that thing I listed above, so that's neat, I suppose.

* even strength here meaning actual even strength, so the same number of skaters and goaltenders on the ice for each team, so not what the NHL refers to as even strength, which isn't that.

 

[Svedu]

Please not Buffalo for Kakko. I wish him well and Sabres ain't it. Lol

 

[Sinbad]

Call him what you want. Doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.

Over 330 games played in the last 5+ seasons Kakko has 61 goals, 70 assists for 131 points.

Over an 82 game season this would average out to 15 goals, 17 assists and 32 points… a lot closer to a 30 point player than the one 40 point season you are hanging your hat on.

 

[DanielBrassard]

How about Vatrano + Ian Moore (he probably wants to be a Bruin or Ranger like Thrun) + conditional 3rd if Vatrano doensn't resign for Kaako + Rempe

Vatrano isn’t someone I’d be interested in. Rangers don’t need a rental winger, the team is not going anywhere, rather just have a pick. I suppose they could flip Frank but seems unnecessary.

 

[bigdog16]

Yeah it's all his own fault of course. Said the crying Ranger fan...

Where did I say it was all his fault? I agree there were other players that should have been scratched before him. But crying to the media and pointing fingers at other teammates saying they were worse than me is a dog s*** cop out. He has 4 goals in 29 games, don’t act like you are unscratchable.

 

[cheesymc]

Vatrano isn’t someone I’d be interested in. Rangers don’t need a rental winger, the team is not going anywhere, rather just have a pick. I suppose they could flip Frank but seems unnecessary.

They've shown interest last season, and they can always extend him.

I don't really see Kaako netting more than a 2nd (maybe a high one from a bottom feeder with a lot of picks, San Jose?).

 

[Savant]

If they move Kakko, they absolutely need to get a Dman back. Probably LHD

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

Not worth it for Buffalo.

Two players who can use a new team, Buff sheds about $5 mil...I'd take a flyer.

 

[AirGut]

He's not going anywhere.

 

[Svedu]

Welcome to the Flyers Kakko. Otherwise the Habs, Canes, Panthers and Stars would suit you well.

 

[Albatros]

Over 330 games played in the last 5+ seasons Kakko has 61 goals, 70 assists for 131 points.

Over an 82 game season this would average out to 15 goals, 17 assists and 32 points… a lot closer to a 30 point player than the one 40 point season you are hanging your hat on.

Considering that he's playing 13 minutes a night with no PP his production is perfectly fine. This season 2.1 points /60 so far. A Zach Hyman is at 1.8 despite PP time and playing with McDavid & Draisaitl, no one calls him a 30-point player.

 

[Romang67]

I mean, if you're gonna get rid of him, you probably want to do it before that on-ice sh% drops down to where it has been each of his first 5 seasons, and he goes back to looking like Finnish Mason Appleton.

 

[Sinbad]

Considering that he's playing 13 minutes a night with no PP his production is perfectly fine. This season 2.1 points /60 so far. A Zach Hyman is at 1.8 despite PP time and playing with McDavid & Draisaitl, no one calls him a 30-point player.

You are correct no one is calling Hyman a 30 point player when he is averaging 80 points over the past two seasons and last year he had 54 goals alone which is more then Kakko’s season high in points. While Hyman was/is off to a slow start he is starting to heat up again, so to suggest the two are comparable players at this point in their careers is utterly ridiculous. Furthermore, Hyman’s production comes against other teams top shutdown guys as opposed to the 3rd and 4th liners Kakko faces when he is in the lineup.

 

[TFHockey]

Considering that he's playing 13 minutes a night with no PP his production is perfectly fine. This season 2.1 points /60 so far. A Zach Hyman is at 1.8 despite PP time and playing with McDavid & Draisaitl, no one calls him a 30-point player.

Hyman had a brutally slow start. He is heating up now. Hyman isn't a 30 point player because he is literally has had 77 and 83 points his last two seasons. Kakko, while intriguing, has never put up those kinds of numbers. You imply if he were given the chance he'd be as good as Hyman. There is no indication that is the case. Why hasn't New York stapled Kakko to the top line if he is a lock for 70+ points?

A lot of fans claim anyone playing with McDavid or Drai aren't really that good because their numbers are "inflated". The problems with that logic include but are not limited to:

1. Other players have been moved up to the top lines and haven't put up Hyman's numbers. They can't keep up, convert their chances, etc.

2. Hyman has done it two years in a row, and is getting hot now. His 83 point season wasn't a fluke. He is going to do well again this year.

3. The bump players get from playing with top talent like McDavid or Draisaitl only ever apply to Oilers, never to players on other teams.

Kakko, isn't as good a Hyman. Bad comparison.

 

[CTHabsfan]

"Has long been considered an overrated stat" - By stupid fans, with no knowledge whatsoever! If a player play minimal PP/PK, thoose stats are very valuable! Your team score more than the opponent and you are a valuable piece for the team. Use your brain. It helps.

I guess awarding Nathan MacKinnon (+35) the Hart was a stupid choice. Gustav Forsling destroyed him with a +56!

If a player gets minimal PP/PK time, there's a reason- there are better options to handle those minutes.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Like, do you guys want him?

I'll f***in Uber him to your team's arena myself.

Yes. He's produced well as a middle 6 winger at 5v5, with significantly positive rel GF% and rel xGF% numbers over the last 4 years.

 

[ToDavid]

Oh spare me the protection of the malcontent.

Report: Patrik Laine isn't happy with his usage, linemates

"With the merits I have, somewhere else I'd have an opportunity to play with the best players.”

ca.sports.yahoo.com

He whined his way off the team long before he was "bullied" off it. He was a cancer in the locker room back in Finland, he was a cancer in the locker room in Winnipeg, he was a cancer in the locker room in Columbus. Laine was always the consistent issue.

He can keep rotting around the league as a one trick pony on the PP. Until he gets injured again.

At least you aren't bitter about it.

 

[Machinehead]

Yes. He's produced well as a middle 6 winger at 5v5, with significantly positive rel GF% and rel xGF% numbers over the last 4 years.

Actually, that wouldn't be too expensive of an Uber ride.

 

[Uberpecker]

Two players who can use a new team, Buff sheds about $5 mil...I'd take a flyer.

Cozens doesn't need a new team. He needs a center.