Player Discussion Kaiden Guhle

[MasterD]

He missed games 9 games this year because he got hit by an extremely dirty player. Ridiculous to hold that against him.

Slaf, Cole, Roy, Newhook haven't been healthy in years, should we also trade them? What a ridiculous post.

We should be worried about Caufield's shoulder, yes. And Slaf's hits to the head last year were worrying, yes. Thankfully he seems to have corrected that.

But Guhle is injured a lot more often than those guys. Just 'cause you're on the ice doesn't mean you're not hurt and playing below capacity. Guhle was visibly hurt multiple times this season - heck, he still is right now!

 

[Mrb1p]

We should be worried about Caufield's shoulder, yes. And Slaf's hits to the head last year were worrying, yes. Thankfully he seems to have corrected that.

But Guhle is injured a lot more often than those guys. Just 'cause you're on the ice doesn't mean you're not hurt and playing below capacity. Guhle was visibly hurt multiple times this season - heck, he still is right now!

Just another ridiculous ass post. Now we're holding it against the player thst he plays injured? He plays a physical brand of hockey, one of the only Ds that does. You want a team filled with Kessel-types? Lmao.

I'm sorry but it's just a terrible post. Should the Avs trade Mackinnon? He was injured for five years straight! The Pens probably should've traded Crosby in 2013, man isn't worth anything to them since he's never on the ice!

 

[BLONG7]

We should be worried about Caufield's shoulder, yes. And Slaf's hits to the head last year were worrying, yes. Thankfully he seems to have corrected that.

But Guhle is injured a lot more often than those guys. Just 'cause you're on the ice doesn't mean you're not hurt and playing below capacity. Guhle was visibly hurt multiple times this season - heck, he still is right now!

Everyone says we have a stud in Guhlie................patience man.
Someone earlier said Guhlie missed 9 games this year......dirty hit from behind.
He is the not the Dman you trade at this point. He will get better as his TOI increases and he adds more muscle to his frame.
The kid will be a star......think Morgan Reilly type of star.......................not elite, but a terrific player.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Kaiden Guhle hasn't played a full season since 2019-2020. That's taking into account shortened seasons because of COVID.

He's injured more often than Benoit Brunet was FFS. If someone offers a good top 6 player, you take it and run.

I like the player and he has great potential, but he'll be useless on the LTIR.

Right, and Hawks should look to trade Bedard. He misses games due to injuries every year.

 

[JoelWarlord]

Guhle played 70 games and immediately went overseas to play for Canada after the season ended, don't think we need to be overdramatic about his health.

 

[Redux91]

Guhle played 70 games and immediately went overseas to play for Canada after the season ended, don't think we need to be overdramatic about his health.

It's complete nonsense, all of it

Only people who want Guhle gone are the posters obsessed with drafting a D this year
Which isn't happening.

Guhle isn't going anywhere any time soon

 

[MasterD]

It's complete nonsense, all of it

Only people who want Guhle gone are the posters obsessed with drafting a D this year
Which isn't happening.

Guhle isn't going anywhere any time soon

That's nonsense. People that suggest trading Guhle realize you have to give something good to get something good. We need top6 forwards more than we need top 4 dmen at this point. No matter who we draft this year.

 

[Redux91]

That's nonsense. People that suggest trading Guhle realize you have to give something good to get something good. We need top6 forwards more than we need top 4 dmen at this point. No matter who we draft this year.

And you replace Guhle wiiiiiiiiiiith?

The trap is set

 

[Habs7631]

I’m against trading Guhle but let’s just play the game.

Who would be comparable forwards for a trade ? Same age range, and same pedigree?

 

[Captain Mountain]

That's nonsense. People that suggest trading Guhle realize you have to give something good to get something good. We need top6 forwards more than we need top 4 dmen at this point. No matter who we draft this year.

While this may end up being true, its very much an HFBoards hyping of prospects view as opposed to view based on performance or impact.

Montreal has 3 forwards 25 and under (Caufield, Suzuki, Slafkovsky) who have demonstrated in the NHL they can be effective in a top line/top 6 role on a good team. They have two more who have demonstrated in the NHL they can be effective in a top 9 role (Dach and Newhook). They have another who showed great upside in a significant NHL stint (Roy). Conversely, Guhle is the only D Montreal has under the age of 30 that has demonstrated in the NHL they can be effective in a top 4 role in large stretches.

The view that Montreal NEEDS a young forward or a forward prospect is pretty shortsighted. Its preferable from a prospect pool standpoint all things being equal, but Montreal was a worse defensive team last season than an offensive one and they have more young leaders at forward than on D. Barron was the only other young D who didn't get slaughtered playing tougher than bottom pair minutes, and that was only playing with Guhle.

And its one thing to look at Montreal's prospect pool and young D depth and prefer to add more young offensive talent. Its a different story if you want to trade a guy like Guhle to get a young top 6 forward.

 

[MasterD]

And you replace Guhle wiiiiiiiiiiith?

The trap is set

Matheson-Hutson-Xhekaj-Harris-Engstrom is good enough with Mailloux-Reinbacher-Savard-Kovacevic on the right side and whoever we potentially pick this year.

And its one thing to look at Montreal's prospect pool and young D depth and prefer to add more young offensive talent. Its a different story if you want to trade a guy like Guhle to get a young top 6 forward.

Matheson-Hutson-Xhekaj-Harris-Engstrom-Mailloux-Reinbacher-Savard-Kovacevic are all here or very close to here now.

Drafting a top 6 winger this year, he's probably not playing in the NHL and making a real impact for 2-3 years. I'd rather trade for one, Dach style. Assuming there's a trade to be made somewhere, of course.

 

[Rapala]

That's nonsense. People that suggest trading Guhle realize you have to give something good to get something good. We need top6 forwards more than we need top 4 dmen at this point. No matter who we draft this year.

Trading Guhle at this point makes no sense whatsoever. The team clearly wants to take a step forward next season.
The only way we trade him is if we have a proven young 1st pairing minute muncher who can play both sides.
Guhle is what is holding our weak RD together at this point. Neither Reinbacher or Mailloux are ready for that role.
Savard Barron and Kovacevic are not top pairing guys either.

 

[salbutera]

Kaiden Guhle hasn't played a full season since 2019-2020. That's taking into account shortened seasons because of COVID.

He's injured more often than Benoit Brunet was FFS. If someone offers a good top 6 player, you take it and run.

I like the player and he has great potential, but he'll be useless on the LTIR.

Say what?

He played 70 games this past season and yes was injured 22-23 playing only 44GP - it’s a bit premature to label him injury prone don’t you think?

Wonder if Boston regrets not dumping Bergeron after missing 90GP+ over the course of a couple of seasons early in his career?

 

[JoelWarlord]

That's nonsense. People that suggest trading Guhle realize you have to give something good to get something good. We need top6 forwards more than we need top 4 dmen at this point.

Trading Guhle for a forward would then mean we would need a top four defenceman more than another top six forward right after making that trade. It's just robbing Peter to pay Paul, even if the plan is to draft another D prospect at 5 as a future replacement, as then you're subject to the risk that any prospect fails to take the next steps to get to the NHL while we already know Guhle is a good NHL player.

Matheson-Hutson-Xhekaj-Harris-Engstrom is good enough with Mailloux-Reinbacher-Savard-Kovacevic on the right side and whoever we potentially pick this year.

Good enough for what? It probably is good enough to take a step in the standings next year but over the long term I don't think that defence group is good enough to contend. Reinbacher is the only guy on that list who projects as a big minute matchup guy over the long term and I don't think Matheson as the defensive conscience for Mailloux is going to work. The whole setup is way more balanced with Guhle, Reinbacher, and Hutson as the three big pieces with Xhekaj, Mailloux, and others competing for 4-6 roles.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Matheson-Hutson-Xhekaj-Harris-Engstrom is good enough with Mailloux-Reinbacher-Savard-Kovacevic on the right side and whoever we potentially pick this year.


Matheson-Hutson-Xhekaj-Harris-Engstrom-Mailloux-Reinbacher-Savard-Kovacevic are all here or very close to here now.

Drafting a top 6 winger this year, he's probably not playing in the NHL and making a real impact for 2-3 years. I'd rather trade for one, Dach style. Assuming there's a trade to be made somewhere, of course.

That's a 30 year old with two years left on his contract, a prospect with 2NHL games, a guy two guys who haven't shown more than bottom pair play yet, a prospect, a guy who's played 1 NHL game, a guy whose played 11 AHL games, a 33 year old on an expiring deal and a 26 year old bottom pair D on an expiring contact. Its a lot of names and short of immediate quality.

You can just as easily just say Suzuki, Caufield, Slafkovsky, Dach, Newhook, Roy, Evans, Armia, Gallagher, Anderson, Dvorak, Harvey-Pinard, Pezzetta, Ylonen, Beck, Mesar, Farrell are all here or very close to here now. Its just listing names. Right now Montreal has two veteran D, a bunch of young D that haven't shown they can be top 4 (let alone top pair) D, and Guhle. Beyond the fact that trading D for a wing is generally a bad idea, its a trade which will speifically hurt the team in the 2-3 year window you alluded to.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Trading Guhle is nonsense.

It's not happening.

It was never happening.

They're not using him to grab a forward.

 

[Mrb1p]

Charlie Mcavoy has never played a full season in his career, Bruins should trade the scrub.

It's absolutely bonkers how ungrateful the fans are to have a player of the caliber of Guhle..what's funny is that it's 100% on usage. Had he played even half of Mathesons PP time he'd be revered as the next Chelios. Can't see past a stat line at all.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

I’m against trading Guhle but let’s just play the game.

Who would be comparable forwards for a trade ? Same age range, and same pedigree?

Mercer?

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Contracts will be a big determinant of which dmen to trade and when. I like Guhle but I wouldn't pay him too much too quickly. I'm not convinced he'll be the best of the bunch.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I’m against trading Guhle but let’s just play the game.

Who would be comparable forwards for a trade ? Same age range, and same pedigree?

Zegras. But I think Guhle stock value has passed Zegras. Zegras's play at the WC's has left me deflated. I was expecting extra energy from him by playing with better talent. Zegras is tracking top 6F and Guhle is tracking top pairing. One is an OK top 6F and the other is a very good top 4D. OK top 6F > Very good top 4D.

Lets play more.... What do we have to add?
Zegras and Ducks 3rd OA pick
for
Guhle and ????

How much credit to we get from the difference between Zegras/Guhle towards the 3rd OA pick. Does pieces like Beck, Jets 1st, Flames 1st, Mesar work? Probably not.

Here is another one. What would our fan base say if we trade Hutson for Zegras straight up?

Fun to chit chat about but I would not be trading Guhle unless we got a B Tkachuk

 

[Habs Halifax]

Contracts will be a big determinant of which dmen to trade and when. I like Guhle but I wouldn't pay him too much too quickly. I'm not convinced he'll be the best of the bunch.

Bridge most of them and even Guhle/Slaf if we have too. AAV's stays manageable while we evaluate them closer to their prime years. Dach is going to be this way.

One good thing a bridge does is it gets you the player till age 33 ish. Vs Suzuki who will be a UFA at age 30. In most cases, you can let the asset go at age 33 but we will need Suzuki from age 30-33 for example. He's not signing for 3 or 4 years at that point if he continues his path so then you got to sign them for 7 or 8 years and past age 35.

 

[rik schau]

Charlie Mcavoy has never played a full season in his career, Bruins should trade the scrub.

It's absolutely bonkers how ungrateful the fans are to have a player of the caliber of Guhle..what's funny is that it's 100% on usage. Had he played even half of Mathesons PP time he'd be revered as the next Chelios. Can't see past a stat line at all.

Mc Avoy plays on the PP for Boston,that won't happen with Guhle in Montreal while Matheson is on the roster and plays on the pp and then Hutson will be ready.

Bridge most of them and even Guhle/Slaf if we have too. AAV's stays manageable while we evaluate them closer to their prime years. Dach is going to be this way.

One good thing a bridge does is it gets you the player till age 33 ish. Vs Suzuki who will be a UFA at age 30. In most cases, you can let the asset go at age 33 but we will need Suzuki from age 30-33 for example. He's not signing for 3 or 4 years at that point if he continues his path so then you got to sign them for 7 or 8 years and past age 35.

Should have bridged CC too.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Mc Avoy plays on the PP for Boston,that won't happen with Guhle in Montreal while Matheson is on the roster and plays on the pp and then Hutson will be ready.


Should have bridged CC too.

I'm OK with Caufield at that rate. He is a 30 goal threat and will have many seasons at 30+. Dach going down created a situation where our Suzuki line was targeted. We need two good lines and then Caufield shines more than this past year.

Cap will be $92M+ very shortly. A 30 goal scorer will be looking for more than $7.85M. I'd agree with you if I felt Caufield would not average 30+ goals in this contract. I think he will

Someone like Slaf should be looked at for a long term extension. I'd easily sign him for 8x $7M this summer. Some say he should get more but I don't think so. It was a good half of a season playing with Suzuki. Slaf could be someone who breaks out next year into the 60-80 range and if he is closer to 80 pts, he's shooting for way more than $7M AAV. I can see pros/cons to the bridge and long term with him.

Rest I would easily bridge.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Guhle played 70 games and immediately went overseas to play for Canada after the season ended, don't think we need to be overdramatic about his health.

Guhle is a fine player and is now clearly a core player for us going forward.

He plays a heavy game. Or at least he tries to. I wonder if he has the 'weight' to continue that style of play without continuing to run into injury woes.

I would remind everyone of the sage words of Bill Parcells that "The best ability is availability".

 

[rik schau]

I'm OK with Caufield at that rate. He is a 30 goal threat and will have many seasons at 30+. Dach going down created a situation where our Suzuki line was targeted. We need two good lines and then Caufield shines more than this past year.

Cap will be $92M+ very shortly. A 30 goal scorer will be looking for more than $7.85M. I'd agree with you if I felt Caufield would not average 30+ goals in this contract. I think he will

Someone like Slaf should be looked at for a long term extension. I'd easily sign him for 8x $7M this summer. Some say he should get more but I don't think so. It was a good half of a season playing with Suzuki. Slaf could be someone who breaks out next year into the 60-80 range and if he is closer to 80 pts, he's shooting for way more than $7M AAV. I can see pros/cons to the bridge and long term with him.

Rest I would easily bridge.

I felt it was premature and could have waited,it would not have significantly increased his cap had he done what was expected of him that he has not yet achieved,whatever, it's done and this is not the thread for him,back to the Guhlster. lol