Player Discussion Kaiden Guhle

[26Mats]

Hmmm

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That and you've been demanding that people come up with what aspects of the game they think he'll be better at when playing his natural side. Again, burden of proof falls on the person arguing the exception to the rule, so you should be listing what aspects of his game you think are improved playing on his offside. Done arguing semantics though.

Well MSL is playing him on the left side, and a poster said it's better for Guhle's future for us to trade Matheson and play Guhle on the left. It's fine if one wants to think that, I'd just like to hear why. I said in the small sample size I've seen I liked the top 4 of Matheson - Guhle, Hutson- Savard. We don't have argue. I'd just like to hear those posters that prefer Guhle on the left to explain why. But if they don't want to, they don't want to.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Well MSL is playing him on the left side, and a poster said it's better for Guhle's future for us to trade Matheson and play Guhle on the left. It's fine if one wants to think that, I'd just like to hear why. I said in the small sample size I've seen I liked the top 4 of Matheson - Guhle, Hutson- Savard. We don't have argue. I'd just like to hear those posters that prefer Guhle on the left to explain why. But if they don't want to, they don't want to.

Guhle gets hammered by forecheckers more on the right side because he holds on to the puck due to not wanting to attempt difficult passes on his backhand. He also coughs it up more when put in these scenarios. He is more confident skating with the puck in his own end when he is on his forehand and this is exactly what he needs to do more of instead of absorbing unnecessary punishment due to being too conservative and inviting contact.

Playing him on the right side won't ruin him or anything but he is definitely more effective on the left and takes fewer big hits.

 

[Redux91]

Guhle gets hammered by forecheckers more on the right side because he holds on to the puck due to not wanting to attempt difficult passes on his backhand. He also coughs it up more when put in these scenarios. He is more confident skating with the puck in his own end when he is on his forehand and this is exactly what he needs to do more of instead of absorbing unnecessary punishment due to being too conservative and inviting contact.

Playing him on the right side won't ruin him or anything but he is definitely more effective on the left and takes fewer big hits.

How do people... not know all this already lol?

Solid post

 

[CanadienShark]

honest Q: does having injuries in the past make you more likely to have injuries in the future?

intuitively, it feels like the answer should be yes, but i wonder if there's actually data to back that up.

Depends. If it's a recurring injury, yes. If it's separate injuries, it may speak to conditioning issues or putting yourself in a bad position frequently. Or could be fluke. It has to be evaluated on a case by case basis, I think.

 

[26Mats]

How do people... not know all this already lol?

Solid post

Well if MSL "knew" this, he wouldn't be playing him on the right side, and exposing him to those hits, LOL.

 

[Goalfield13]

Well if MSL "knew" this, he wouldn't be playing him on the right side, and exposing him to those hits, LOL.

MSL likely just sees Guhle as a better option on the right than Matheson. Playing Guhle there doesn't mean he thinks Guhle is at his best there. He makes decisions based on what he has to work with.

 

[26Mats]

MSL likely just sees Guhle as a better option on the right than Matheson. Playing Guhle there doesn't mean he thinks Guhle is at his best there. He makes decisions based on what he has to work with.

Yes for sure, that is one of the questions of the discussion. Is it best for the team long term to have Guhle on the left or right. Even if Guhle is better on the right, we have a tone of LD's and w we're not sure if they'll bring back much in a trade. Assuming we keep Hutson and Xhekaj on the left. If we move Guhle to the left, we have to trade Matheson.

Management seems to see Matheson as an important piece in the short and medium term. So are we better off trading Matheson or keeping Guhle on the right? If keeping Guhle on the right will expose him to more hits than he's already taking on the left, that could compromise his career. That would point to moving Matheson as soon as possible.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I'd definitely like to see Guhle get the chance to play on his strong side next season and ideally with a veteran RD that can complement him . Feels like there's a whole other level to the kid that he hasn't been able to reach yet. A better split of the ice time between the three pairings would be ideal anyway, Matheson can't play so many minutes every night and stay effective defensively, his all around game would really benefit from it.

 

[Goalfield13]

Yes for sure, that is one of the questions of the discussion. Is it best for the team long term to have Guhle on the left or right. Even if Guhle is better on the right, we have a tone of LD's and w we're not sure if they'll bring back much in a trade. Assuming we keep Hutson and Xhekaj on the left. If we move Guhle to the left, we have to trade Matheson.

Management seems to see Matheson as an important piece in the short and medium term. So are we better off trading Matheson or keeping Guhle on the right? If keeping Guhle on the right will expose him to more hits than he's already taking on the left, that could compromise his career. That would point to moving Matheson as soon as possible.

I think Guhle should be the 1LD next year 100%. It's time. Matheson can go.

 

[26Mats]

I think Guhle should be the 1LD next year 100%. It's time. Matheson can go.

If we move Matheson, I hope we can get a 2nd dynamic puck mover with offense.

I like the idea of having Hutson on one pair and another offensive dman on the other top 4 pair. Each were joining the attack, especially in the offensive zone to create a lot of offense. They made it a real 5 man unit on the attack.

We can definitely draft RD's and try to trade for young players to fill that spot next to Guhle. I'm not sure Barron or Mailloux (or Engstrom) are right for it or the spot next to Hutson:

Guhle - _______
Hutson - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Mailloux
Engstrom/Barron/Struble/Harris/Trudeau

 

[CHwest]

If we move Matheson, I hope we can get a 2nd dynamic puck mover with offense.

I like the idea of having Hutson on one pair and another offensive dman on the other top 4 pair. Each were joining the attack, especially in the offensive zone to create a lot of offense. They made it a real 5 man unit on the attack.

We can definitely draft RD's and try to trade for young players to fill that spot next to Guhle. I'm not sure Barron or Mailloux (or Engstrom) are right for it or the spot next to Hutson:

Guhle - _______
Hutson - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Mailloux
Engstrom/Barron/Struble/Harris/Trudeau

I would move Mathison for a veteran serviceable RD in a heart beat, Guhle would be better in his natural position, and it would allow Reiny and the Mailman to develop on lower lines.

 

[Deebs]

I think Guhle should be the 1LD next year 100%. It's time. Matheson can go.

I don't think Matty should go just yet but I do want Guhle on the left side. It's a disservice not to put him in the best position to succeed.

Guhle
Matty
Arber

Make a couple of moves regarding who our management team believes isn't in the works for our club long term and bring in a RD or two if necessary.

 

[26Mats]

I don't think Matty should go just yet but I do want Guhle on the left side. It's a disservice not to put him in the best position to succeed.

Guhle
Matty
Arber

Make a couple of moves regarding who our management team believes isn't in the works for our club long term and bring in a RD or two if necessary.

I just think there is a very high possibility Hutson will show he's ready to be an important part if the team already in camp. If so, you have to have all 4 of LD's Guhle, Matheson, Hutson, and Xhekaj in the top 6.

 

[Redux91]

Well if MSL "knew" this, he wouldn't be playing him on the right side, and exposing him to those hits, LOL.

He obviously knows it, everyone involved knows it, maybe you're the only one who doesn't? I don't know

They're merely using Guhle at RD in a pinch since they think so highly of him that he can handle the pressure(not the physicality yet)
Because they obviously want to keep Matheson there as LD1 for now
And they know Savard is not a RD1 right now and better served mentoring a few of our young rookie/sophomore D
You know.. kind of like Savard was doing to help Guhle when he was a rookie LD?

But the plan is obviously not Guhle at RD long term
And yes, they 'know this'

The team is missing an RD1 and obviously, they are hoping Reinbacher one day becomes that

 

[26Mats]

He obviously knows it, everyone involved knows it, maybe you're the only one who doesn't? I don't know, don't care

They're merely using Guhle at RD in a pinch since they think so highly of him that he can handle the pressure(not the physicality yet)
Because they obviously want to keep Matheson there as LD1 for now
And they know Savard is not a RD1 right now and better served mentoring a few of our young rookie/sophomore D
You know.. kind of like Savard was doing to help Guhle when he was a rookie LD?

But the plan is obviously not Guhle at RD long term
And yes, they 'know this'

Exposing Guhle to more hits is obviously not a good idea short term or long term. Obviously.

Guhle was already getting rocked a lot on the left side. If you think you're going to exposed him to more hits on the right side you shouldn't be doing it short term or in a pinch. Obvisously. That's different than using Savard as RD1 in a pinch where you're not exposing him to injury. Obviously.

 

[Redux91]

Exposing Guhle to more hits is obviously not a good idea short term or long term. Obviously.

Guhle was already getting rocked a lot on the left side. If you think you're going to exposed him to more hits on the right side you shouldn't be doing it short term or in a pinch. Obvisously. That's different than using Savard as RD1 in a pinch where you're not exposing him to injury. Obviously.

And your obvious solution?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Just flip Matheson and if you won't this year then do it next year. Its not gonna ruin Ghule as a hockey player down the line playing with Math on his offside one more season , although the injury fear is a good argument since he gets hit by forecheckers more playing that side.

Or if by some Miracle next season Mailloux or Reinbacher can play top 4 RD minutes than thats a solution but I don't think its very realistic. Maybe Mailloux has a shot

 

[Runner77]

What do you think will be different about his game as an LD?

I don’t have a preference personally, as long as he can stay healthy. Only thing I care about for now. Others might have a different take.

 

[Runner77]

I agree that Guhle is just as important to the long term success of the team as the other core pieces.

But if you can't articulate what aspects he is/will be better at playing on the left side, so be it.

I've only been able to watch so much recently. In the little I saw, I really liked the top 4 of Matheson-Guhle and Hutson-Savard at the end of the year. Then Xhekaj-Mailloux seems like a really good pair long term. It would make sense to move Matheson for an RD of equal value. We'll see...

I’d bet on Matheson only being traded in the last year of his contract. So many posts about trading Matheson now, no basis for that. Hughes likes the guy and was an ex-client, not a good recipe for a fake trade.

Maybe someone like Reinbacher eventually pairs up with Matheson to help shore up on his defensive shortcomings.

 

[Deleted member 257557]

Guhle - _______
Hutson - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Mailloux
Engstrom/Barron/Struble/Harris/Trudeau

Beard-growth potential is very low.

Agreed with everyone hoping Guhle plays lhd next year though Maybe with Hutson in the line up it’s Matheson who plays rhd… His 5v5 is fine for me, all the brain cramps come from special units that I can remember.

 

[rahad]

I’d bet on Matheson only being traded in the last year of his contract. So many posts about trading Matheson now, no basis for that. Hughes likes the guy and was an ex-client, not a good recipe for a fake trade.

Maybe someone like Reinbacher eventually pairs up with Matheson to help shore up on his defensive shortcomings.

8	Mike Matheson	D	82	11	51	62	58						PQ: Pointe-Claire	29
58	David Savard	D	60	6	18	24	24						PQ: Saint-Hyacinthe	32
21	Kaiden Guhle	D	70	6	16	22	56						ALTA: Edmonton	21
54	Jordan Harris	D	56	3	11	14	22						MA: Haverhill	23
52	Justin Barron	D	48	7	6	13	16						NS: Halifax	21

The difference in point is huge.....I just hope Hutson can become our next ''Matheson''. It will depend on Matheson next contract. He is having great season in Montreal and will probably ask a lot of money and a long contract. Next year, is probably the best time to trade him.

 

[Lebowski]

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The difference in point is huge.....I just hope Hutson can become our next ''Matheson''. It will depend on Matheson next contract. He is having great season in Montreal and will probably ask a lot of money and a long contract. Next year, is probably the best time to trade him.

One thing to keep in mind is that Matheson gets all the opportunities on the PP. He had 28 PP points this season. All the other Habs Ds combined had 1 point...

Perhaps surprisingly, he's not that significantly ahead of Guhle or even Savard when it comes to ES production, especially given their respective usage.

I often hear people say Guhle has limited offensive upside, but I'd be very interested to see how he does with 1st PP icetime. He's a great skater, he moves the puck well, he has good composure and I think he has a harder shot than Matheson. We ranked 27th in PP% this year, what is there to lose?

I think he could be a 50ish points defenseman if we gave him the #1 LD role. I also think we should try running 2Ds on our PP as opposed to the 4 forwards set-up we've been using, so giving Guhle the opportunity doesn't necessarily take away from Matheson's ice time.

That being said, if there's a trade to be made with Matheson that can give us a mid round 1st round draft pick this year, possibly nabbing a falling Catton or a Yakemchuk in exchange... I'd be very comfortable letting him go.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

I think Guhle should be the 1LD next year 100%. It's time. Matheson can go.

Once upon a time it was time to let Danault go and the great Ryan Poehling could easily replace him. Haha.

 

[rahad]

One thing to keep in mind is that Matheson gets all the opportunities on the PP. He had 28 PP points this season. All the other Habs Ds combined had 1 point...

Perhaps surprisingly, he's not that significantly ahead of Guhle or even Savard when it comes to ES production, especially given their respective usage.

I often hear people say Guhle has limited offensive upside, but I'd be very interested to see how he does with 1st PP icetime. He's a great skater, he moves the puck well, he has good composure and I think he has a harder shot than Matheson. We ranked 27th in PP% this year, what is there to lose?

I think he could be a 50ish points defenseman if we gave him the #1 LD role. I also think we should try running 2Ds on our PP as opposed to the 4 forwards set-up we've been using, so giving Guhle the opportunity doesn't necessarily take away from Matheson's ice time.

That being said, if there's a trade to be made with Matheson that can give us a mid round 1st round draft pick this year, possibly nabbing a falling Catton or a Yakemchuk in exchange... I'd be very comfortable letting him go.

He is Habs best offensive D. Same could be said about every single offensive D getting huge minutes in PP (Maker, Fox, Hughes...). Next year, is going to be a huge year for Ghule and Dach. Can Ghule become one day a #1 D with the Habs or is he a #2-4 with us.

 

[Goalfield13]

Once upon a time it was time to let Danault go and the great Ryan Poehling could easily replace him. Haha.

Guhle has a lot more NHL experience.