Player Discussion Kaiden Guhle

"Nothing’s guaranteed, but at least Guhle’s now assuming less risk by wearing a cut-resistant bodysuit under his hockey gear."

 
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I mean if SJ offer me Celebrini then of course ! But that won’t happen so no
I really do wonder how we're going to get a second good see. They don't grow on trees. At least we'll have Demidov to lead our second line.

When someone like Eichel becomes available, As in once in a blue moon, Guhle is the type of piece I would use to get him, if need be.

But if there is no trade out there where we sacrifice a Guhle, I'm curious to see how we get one. Like I said, with Demidov, maybe we'll only need a decent 2c.
 
I really do wonder how we're going to get a second good see. They don't grow on trees. At least we'll have Demidov to lead our second line.

When someone like Eichel becomes available, As in once in a blue moon, Guhle is the type of piece I would use to get him, if need be.

But if there is no trade out there where we sacrifice a Guhle, I'm curious to see how we get one. Like I said, with Demidov, maybe we'll only need a decent 2c.

If a player, like Eichel, is available of course Montreal should trade Guhle. But Eichel’s a 1C (an elite one at that) and not a 2C. If they are going to trade for a 2C I, imo, wouldn’t offer Guhle. Going forward I think Montreal has 3 defenceman, who will be with organization for quite a while, who can play 21-22 + minutes a night effectively - Guhle, Hutson, and, hopefully, Reinbacher. After those 3 I’m not sure right now.
 
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If a player, like Eichel, is available of course Montreal should trade Guhle. But Eichel’s a 1C (an elite one at that) and not a 2C. If they are going to trade for a 2C I, imo, wouldn’t offer Guhle. Going forward I think Montreal has 3 defenceman, who will be with organization for quite a while, who can play 21-22 + minutes a night effectively - Guhle, Hutson, and, hopefully, Reinbacher. After those 3 I’m not sure right now.

To be a contender though, you want to have two really good centers. If the opportunity comes up to get a 1a/1b center, I think Guhle would be the best of our top pieces to trade. Not Caufield or Slaf. Not Reinbacher, Demidov, Hutson, or Suzuki.

Assuming there is a highly valuable player, it it would take one of those pieces to get him.
 
To be a contender though, you want to have two really good centers. If the opportunity comes up to get a 1a/1b center, I think Guhle would be the best of our top pieces to trade. Not Caufield or Slaf. Not Reinbacher, Demidov, Hutson, or Suzuki.

Assuming there is a highly valuable player, it it would take one of those pieces to get him.

You also need a good defense to win 4 rounds, Montreal’s defence, which isn’t great as it is, significantly weakens by trading Guhle.

In saying that, yeah if you’re trading for a centre that is in the same category as Suzuki, like Robert Thomas, Dylan Larkin, Tage Thompson, I’d be ok with them offering Guhle, but I’d be surprised if a centre that good is available this offseason.

I think it’ll be more likely they’ll try and trade for a 2C this offseason, which I wouldn’t trade Guhle for.
 
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You also need a good defense to win 4 rounds, Montreal’s defence, which isn’t great as it is, significantly weakens by trading Guhle.

In saying that, yeah if you’re trading for a centre that is in the same category as Suzuki, like Robert Thomas, Dylan Larkin, Tage Thompson, I’d be ok with them offering Guhle, but I’d be surprised if a centre that good is available this offseason.

I think it’ll be more likely they’ll try and trade for a 2C this offseason, which I wouldn’t trade Guhle for.
Agreed. I have no idea who they'll get this year. Maybe a budget guy like Zegras for Mailloux +. Maybe they'll trade Matheson for assets and then flip those assets, like the Romanov for Dach deal.

Maybe they'll sign a vet for two years, like Duchene or the former Islander in Colorado. Maybe overpay on cap hit for a short term to win the bidding war.
 
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To be a contender though, you want to have two really good centers. If the opportunity comes up to get a 1a/1b center, I think Guhle would be the best of our top pieces to trade. Not Caufield or Slaf. Not Reinbacher, Demidov, Hutson, or Suzuki.

Assuming there is a highly valuable player, it it would take one of those pieces to get him.

I mean.. the most valuable piece the Sabres got back for Eichel was Alex Tuch.

Fans usually over estimate the return players get. Vegas have gotten multiple star level players for prospect + 1st + a guy.
 
I mean.. the most valuable piece the Sabres got back for Eichel was Alex Tuch.

Fans usually over estimate the return players get. Vegas have gotten multiple star level players for prospect + 1st + a guy.

Yes, it would be great if we could do that. But Eichel was the only center. It's very rare that such a good center is available.

I really like the model of acquiring a player at the TDL for rental price, and then extending them, like Vegas did with Stone and Hanafin. Gainey did it with Kovalev I believe. MB did it with Petry, and I thought he would continue doing so, but to no avail.

The key is to be patient, but aggressive. We'll see if HuGo end up being able to get the long term solution, or have to settle for a stop gap.
 
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I have been a habs for all of these trades, although I was quite young for Chelios and Langway, but I remember them. Yes, painful moves, but does this mean we stop entertaining offers? No more trades????

As I said in my previous post, I am not a fan of moving Guhle, the only point I am making is that he is not untouchable for the right price.

My target would be a center with offensive potential anywhere from 20 to 23 rys old that could make an impact on our team in the following season or the season after AND potentially be a # 1 C or a solid #2C that IMPROVES our team for many years. Wishful thinking? Maybe, but that is only way I trade him.

Would I prefer to trade future picks and prospects for a #1C or a #2C ? Of course I would, but not all teams are looking for that return, so other options must be considered if you want to advance our rebuild.

Just my 2 cents.
He’s not untradeable - no player is. But I don’t have any interest in moving him.

As for getting a center, we can get that without moving Guhle. We have three firsts and a whack of players/prospects including Matheson that we can deal.
 
Trades don't need to be about pick-pocketing the other team. a hockey trade involving Guhle could be made and benefit both teams.

Of course, any trade involving Guhle -- so that the trade doesn't regularly circle back to bite you in the arse -- would ideally be done with a team in the Western Conference.

As much as I am a fan of Guhle, I don't think that he needs to be part of the team down the line for Montreal to win a 25th Cup.

If losing Guhle comes with the benefit of gaining a solid 2C that is more of a 1B for te next 7 to 10 years, I don't see how that doesn't benefit us more than assembling a patchwork of stop-gap 2Cs that don't provide any consistency in the lineup at that position during this version of the Habs.

IMO, Montreal will not be picking top-3 for a while now, even without this elusive top-6 C to play on another top-6 line.

Waiting to see if Hage is our 2C (1B) of the future is a waste of at least three more years for Suzuki, Caufield, Slafkovsky, Demidov and three prime years of Laine (if we keep him). It's also three wasted years of Hutson, Reinbacher and Guhle, as we circle back to Guhle.

Hage will not be an impact forward -- if even a C -- before another three years have gone by, under the best of circumstances. As solid a prospect as he is, Hage is not some exceptional beast waiting to gnaw off the bridle so he can assault the NHL. He will need to develop and iron out some flaws in his game, refine some strengths, mature physically, get accustomed to the tempo at the NHL level, etc.

Instead of wasting at least three important development years of all the players listed above, years that will assist in helping them reach another gear as NHLers and help the team, overall, to reach a higher level, I'd rather trade Guhle, or Guhle ++ now to address the 2C issue immediately, depending on the quality of the young C coming back (I'd prefer to pay Guhle ++ with Guhle being the only current core player from Montreal in the deal, but to get a better young C in return).

Landing a quality 2C right now would increase the odds of Suzuki, Caufield, Slafkovsky, Caufield, Hutson and Reinbacher becoming the best versions of themselves that they can be as we mature into as Cup contender after three more years.

By then, if we're lucky, Hage will be ready to become an impact player at the NHL level and could well become that as a top-6 winger, instead of as a top-6 C.

Nobody has a crystal ball, but adding a genuine 2C starting next year will definitely help develop everyone up front and on the back end because of the right seats that will get assigned to the right players and because of the responsibilities this 2C would rightfully assume.

The only problem with this discussion is that we have no idea what C Guhle might provide the Habs with in their search to become a Cup contender.

I think it is clear that the Habs are not in a win-now position to trade a young stud LD for an ageing veteran with a couple of seasons left at a high level in order to win a Cup.

I certainly don't suggest moving Guhle under those circumstances.

Montreal needs a steadying 2C that will be around for at least the next 7 years, slotting in immediately and contributing to a 3-4 year window for a 25th Cup. He could then be replaced to extend the window.
Why do we need to trade Guhle to get a 2c? Why can’t it be picks, prospects, Matheson or a combination of all of these?

We have tons to trade with, there’s absolutely no reason we need to trade Guhle to get another center.
 
Why do we need to trade Guhle to get a 2c? Why can’t it be picks, prospects, Matheson or a combination of all of these?

We have tons to trade with, there’s absolutely no reason we need to trade Guhle to get another center.
Having guys like Guhle, Hutson and Reinbacher, who look like studs at such a young age, is just not something you mess with. If you look at a lot of playoff teams, they put the majority of their cap in three D on average, and we already have three guys to build around. Guhle's contract is also excellent.
 
Having guys like Guhle, Hutson and Reinbacher, who look like studs at such a young age, is just not something you mess with. If you look at a lot of playoff teams, they put the majority of their cap in three D on average, and we already have three guys to build around. Guhle's contract is also excellent.
Lane will sign the suzuki special like Slaf.. reinbacher will do so in 2 years..
 
I mean.. the most valuable piece the Sabres got back for Eichel was Alex Tuch.

Fans usually over estimate the return players get. Vegas have gotten multiple star level players for prospect + 1st + a guy.
I agree with this. As I post now and then: the NHL is not a perfect market. Player values fluctuate wildly based on how they fall in and out of favor with the coach and GM, or based on a GM's desperation resulting from short-term environmental factors, such as a losing streak or a spate of injuries at a particular position decimating his team. Monahan's value now is not as dire as when we got him and a first-rounder for nothing. Dubois value now is probably much higher than last summer, especially if he plays an important role in a post-season push by the Caps, and so on. HuGo are very good at sniffing out these price variations. Hutson is looking much better than a late second-rounder right now :skeptic:. Looking forward to HuGo's trading this summer.
 
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Having guys like Guhle, Hutson and Reinbacher, who look like studs at such a young age, is just not something you mess with. If you look at a lot of playoff teams, they put the majority of their cap in three D on average, and we already have three guys to build around. Guhle's contract is also excellent.

Bingo.

Let's just hope both of Guhle and Reinbachers health hold up. Reinbacher has been very impressive, but it's harder to do over 80 games and we haven't seen how he holds up to NA hockey over a whole year. The ingredients are there for a top pairing right D though.
 
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I'd be incredibly surprised to see this
I dont see why not... Clearly Hugo is not messing around with his team... The RFA years (for stars) are gone... after ELC they will sign a team friendly 8yr contract (which eats up there RFA years), no worries, great money, no stress due to "overpay".... It's also how to guarantee a strong team. I think if enough of the top leadership core buy in to this, they will all be sipping from Stanley in the next 4-5 years.
 

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