Player Discussion Kaapo Kakko

[n8]

Pretty sure you want to wait till after the 4 nations tournament to trade Kakko.

 

[Ruggs225]

Pretty sure you want to wait till after the 4 nations tournament to trade Kakko.

I wait to till sfter i trade the vets and give Kakko more responsibility and ice time first

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

Kakko kind of reminds me of that character Eugene from Hey Arnold!

No matter what he does, he will find a way to step in shit.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Pretty sure you want to wait till after the 4 nations tournament to trade Kakko.

I would argue it should be even later than that, but I agree.

If theres a deal to be made for Brady or the like in the summer you'd want to keep as many chips as possible and Kakko, while not a huge chip is still a very nice sweetener.

Which is what i was saying before. Dont just make a trade for trades sake please. If you are gonna move the kid its gotta be for a needle mover.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I really think at least a half dozen Rangers are on the block. I suspect/hope Drury is waiting for legit trades so it could be anyone going first.

 

[Peltz]

Just for reference he's scoring at about the same rate (per60) 5v5 as Lafreniere last year and his primary assists rate currently leads the team.

Yep. On a team with so few 5v5 play drivers, trading a cost controlled one at 23 years old who won't yield a huge return, and is defensively responsible (outside of his last game), doesn't sit well with me.

I will defend Kakko all day. I like what he brings. I like how little he gives up defensively. He's a net-positive player.

The only way I feel okay trading him is if he's included in a larger package with someone like Miller or Kreider (or both) to get a star defensemen or center in return.

Kakko has been done a tremendous injustice by this organization. He's a scapegoat when the top 6 doesn't perform.

I dont think trading Kakko is a solution to a problem. He is very good on the boards and creates space for his linemates. I dont think he would be due a big raise due to his stats so thats a plus. Can lock him up at a reasonable price.

Im not opposed to moving him in some type of package deal, but he is a solid NHLer and has gotten no real PP or PK time. Dont really see a need to trade him.

yep this is where I'm at.

 

[bigdog16]

Yep. On a team with so few 5v5 play drivers, trading a cost controlled one at 23 years old who won't yield a huge return, and is defensively responsible (outside of his last game), doesn't sit well with me.

I will defend Kakko all day. I like what he brings. I like how little he gives up defensively. He's a net-positive player.

The only way I feel okay trading him is if he's included in a larger package with someone like Miller or Kreider (or both) to get a star defensemen or center in return.

Kakko has been done a tremendous injustice by this organization. He's a scapegoat when the top 6 doesn't perform.


yep this is where I'm at.

I totally understand and agree that there were other players who should have been scratched before Kakko. But dude has 4 goals in 29 games, 9th on the team. Him acting like he is unscratchable is embarassing.

My issue with Kakko is he has never took ownership of his poor play, lack of development, lack of scoring. Hes always pointing his finger. Hes had plenty of opportunity.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I totally understand and agree that there were other players who should have been scratched before Kakko. But dude has 4 goals in 29 games, 9th on the team. Him acting like he is unscratchable is embarassing.

My issue with Kakko is he has never took ownership of his poor play, lack of development, lack of scoring. Hes always pointing his finger. Hes had plenty of opportunity.

To be fair I have seen fans online point a finger at multiple coaches and players for KKs production but I don't remember seeing KK himself point a finger.

 

[Ruggs225]

Apparantly Kakko just called out Lav in a press conference.

Said “its easier to scratch a young guy” basically

 

[Cuckoo4Kakko]

Kakko calling out the coach makes me like him even more. Everyone else sucks more. What are you doing?

 

[LionsHeart]

Good on Kakko for speaking up.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Good for Kakko, Man. He's been quietly getting jerked around for too long. f***ing nonsense that he gets scratched when half the veterans are on strike.

 

[pblawr]

I just wish he had one coach who tried to shake things up by giving him an opportunity and letting him build some confidence instead of using him as a scapegoat.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Apparantly Kakko just called out Lav in a press conference.

Said “its easier to scratch a young guy” basically

Thats kind of a copout imo. Its not saying I'm playing well. Its saying well other (older) guys are playing bad as well. I had just defended KK but that is weak sauce imo. Other young guys also are not being benched. His own linemates are as young as he is yet they weren't benched.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

He basically said out loud why don’t you scratch one of the useless vets. Lol. I am 1000% team Kakko

 

[bouds]

Love it. This team's a f***ing mess, one bad decision after another by management, players are calling out stupid shit now, finger pointing all over the place. Burn it to the f***ing ground.

 

[NickyFotiu]

They traded Trouba. They scratched Smith. Who gets scratched will not make KK play better. The only one that can make KK play better is KK. How many years has it been? Have we seen an improvement in his skating? If Zibs is scratched will KK go improve his skating?

 

[WojtekWolski86]

They traded Trouba. They scratched Smith. Who gets scratched will not make KK play better. The only one that can make KK play better is KK. How many years has it been? Have we seen an improvement in his skating? If Zibs is scratched will KK go improve his skating?

Are you missing the point? How does scratching Kaako fix Mika and Kreider the leaders on this team wearing letters making twice as much money for equivalent production dodge accountability?

When's the last time those 2 bozos forechecked and created a turnover?

Kaako had 2 bad backchecks that led to goals. He's also +10 on the year while Mika is -15. The net difference alone is significant.

 

[will1066]

They traded Trouba. They scratched Smith. Who gets scratched will not make KK play better. The only one that can make KK play better is KK. How many years has it been? Have we seen an improvement in his skating? If Zibs is scratched will KK go improve his skating?

Right on.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Kakko is 4th on the team in 5v5 scoring.

As a fanbase we need to stop looking at him as a 2nd overall pick and appreciate him for what he is: A really good 2-way winger on the 3rd line at a reasonable cap-hit.

Kakko getting scratched while the mentally weak wondertwins get another pass, is inexcusable.

Good on him for calling it out too. He's basically saying "You should healthy scratch one of the vets, not take the easy way out and pick on a young guy"

 

[Harbour Dog]

Are you missing the point? How does scratching Kaako fix Mika and Kreider the leaders on this team wearing letters making twice as much money for equivalent production dodge accountability?

When's the last time those 2 bozos forechecked and created a turnover?

Kaako had 2 bad backchecks that led to goals. He's also +10 on the year while Mika is -15. The net difference alone is significant.

And only equivalent production if you count the PP time that we force feed them with Panarin and Fox.

 

[Ruggs225]

At least kakko is showing a pulse and deisre to play. Good for him.

Cant say that about the wonder twins.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Are you missing the point? How does scratching Kaako fix Mika and Kreider the leaders on this team wearing letters making twice as much money for equivalent production dodge accountability?

When's the last time those 2 bozos forechecked and created a turnover?

Kaako had 2 bad backchecks that led to goals. He's also +10 on the year while Mika is -15. The net difference alone is significant.

Only as significant as plus/minus is.

Hopefully benching Zibs/CK instantly leads to KK showing 5 years of improved skating

Strange how other young guys weren't benched since age is the only reason KK is benched.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Only as significant as plus/minus is.

Hopefully benching Zibs/CK instantly leads to KK showing 5 years of improved skating

Strange how other young guys weren't benched since age is the only reason KK is benched.

Why does it have to immediately make Kakko better? They've been worse than Kakko all season; that is reason enough to bench them.

 

[LionsHeart]

It’s not just Kakko too. Look at the end of the Blues game. The guys who are fighting that got you back in the game are sitting on the bench while the guys who have phoned it in in December are being sent out.

Even if the kids fail at least they earned that opportunity.