Player Discussion Kaapo Kakko

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WojtekWolski86

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Probably somewhere in between which is where Rick Nash actually was tbh.

Nash never broke 80 points and only scored 40 goals because he was put in a position to do so. In Columbus in particular, he got ridiculous TOI. Two franchises (more so Columbus) treated him like a savior. In reality, he was never that level of offensive star.

He was a surefire 30-30 who did everything and couldn't be moved off the puck. I definitely see that in Kakko.

Nash shot a lot more and Kakko (hot take alert) is already better defensively than Nash ever was, but I think you have consider role on both accounts.
Pre concussion Nash didn't score because of TOI. In fact he was a one man offense in CBJ when the league was slower and his shot was better. Nash reinvented himself when he came to NY because of injuries and getting slower. He became more of net front pass recipient vs carry the puck down the ice with CBJ.
 

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I would love for KK to turn into a player like Rick Nash. Bullshit narratives aside he was a damn good Rangers player.

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It's puzzling to me why Gallant doesn't play him more. Even taking into account the usual NHL coach-phobia of young players getting outmuscled or making horrendous mistakes. Kakko is basically about as "safe" a forward as Gallant has on the roster right now. He is very solid defensively. He is very strong on the puck. He really never even attempts any high risk plays. It's very frustrating because he is essentially the perfect prospect to placate "old guy NHL coach fears". This isn't Zegras or Boldy where maybe the fear of them doing crazy things on the ice is somewhat justified; Kakko is basically a two way monster RIGHT NOW and he's not getting ice time in a series where we could really use that kind of play.
 

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It's puzzling to me why Gallant doesn't play him more. Even taking into account the usual NHL coach-phobia of young players getting outmuscled or making horrendous mistakes. Kakko is basically about as "safe" a forward as Gallant has on the roster right now. He is very solid defensively. He is very strong on the puck. He really never even attempts any high risk plays. It's very frustrating because he is essentially the perfect prospect to placate "old guy NHL coach fears". This isn't Zegras or Boldy where maybe the fear of them doing crazy things on the ice is somewhat justified; Kakko is basically a two way monster RIGHT NOW and he's not getting ice time in a series where we could really use that kind of play.

It's the Vatrano love affair. And he's damn well earned that ever since he arrived.

I think that's his spot though in the future. There was a moment, granted, I was very baked.. but Zib got in the middle of Kak and Laf for a second and it was one of the best moments of any of these games. We're gaining more and more riches the more these kids continue to break out. We're in the egg-hatching phase and rapidly growing. It's great to watch, heartbreaks aside.

I'd rather have this frustrating bullshit happening now than in two years. We're getting there. Hope Kakko shows up big time tonight as he seems to be doing in every single playoff game he's ever played.
 
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Kakko having a reverse Rick Nash career would not be the worst thing on the planet. It’s not an insult. Worst case with Kakko is that he is a very good checking line winger. Still has a high floor, just not in the way that we thought it would be when drafted.
 

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It's puzzling to me why Gallant doesn't play him more. Even taking into account the usual NHL coach-phobia of young players getting outmuscled or making horrendous mistakes. Kakko is basically about as "safe" a forward as Gallant has on the roster right now. He is very solid defensively. He is very strong on the puck. He really never even attempts any high risk plays. It's very frustrating because he is essentially the perfect prospect to placate "old guy NHL coach fears". This isn't Zegras or Boldy where maybe the fear of them doing crazy things on the ice is somewhat justified; Kakko is basically a two way monster RIGHT NOW and he's not getting ice time in a series where we could really use that kind of play.
I think you have to put up points to be "basically a two way monster RIGHT NOW". And you have to play physically. He's a one way, "meh monster" as far as I can tell. That "way" is everything except offense and physicality, a pretty limited player in the playoff picture or if you need offense. Sure, sometimes it looks like he's doing good things, and he's scored some beautiful goals. But most of the time, which is the issue, he's making a nice move or two in a larger series of wasted and/or empty moves, that don't lead to goals for himself or his teammates. He scored 7 and 11 this season in 43 games I think, averaging 15+ min a game. That's less than 0.5 ppg. Sure, that goal the other night was nice. But for a winger, he's obviously lacking going forward, into the opponents zone.

Let's be real, he's not scaring anyone going forward and no one is worrying about him trying "crazy things". And with 8 hits on the season, I'm not sure "monster" is the correct word. Maybe if he did try some crazy things and played more physically, he'd be a lot scarier.

He is very strong on the puck, conservative, "safe" as you say. But you can't get "outmuscled" or use your muscle for that matter, if you always run from contact. He's strong on the puck because of his skating and stickhandling are very good and sure, he's got strong arms and wrists obviously, a firm grip. But I think Gallant wants goals and point production. Which would be one reason why he wouldn't be overplaying Kakko. 15 min a game for the regular season for a player producing at his clip is really probably more than he should be getting. And this is the playoffs, which explains perfectly why his minutes are down. Because they need better out on the ice for as many minutes as possible. And Kakko simply isn't cutting it for more time.
 
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I think you have to put up points to be "basically a two way monster RIGHT NOW". And you have to play physically. He's a one way, "meh monster" as far as I can tell. That "way" is everything except offense and physicality, a pretty limited player in the playoff picture or if you need offense. Sure, sometimes it looks like he's doing good things, and he's scored some beautiful goals. But most of the time, which is the issue, he's making a nice move ina series of wasted and/or empty moves, that don't led into the net for he nor his teammates. He scored 7 and 11 this season in 43 games I think, averaging 15+ min a game. That's less than 0.5 ppg. Sure, that goal the other night was nice. But for a winger, he's obviously lacking going forward, into the opponents zone.

Let's be real, he's not scaring anyone going forward and no one is worrying about him trying "crazy things". And with 8 hits on the season, I'm not sure "monster" is the correct word. Maybe if he did try some crazy things and played more physically, he'd be a lot scarier.

He is very strong on the puck, conservative, "safe" as you say. But you can't get "outmuscled" or use your muscle for that matter, if you always run from contact. He's strong on the puck because of his skating and stickhandling and sure, he's got strong arms and wrists obviously, a firm grip. I think wants goals and point production. Which would be one reason why he wouldn't be overplaying Kakko. 15 min a game for the regular season for a player producing at his clip is really probably more than he should be getting. And this is the playoffs, which explains perfectly why his minutes are down. Because they need better out on the ice for as many minutes as possible. And Kakko simply isn't cutting it for more time.

Yeah, you're right, Kakko is the problem right now.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Probably one of the most garbage posts I've seen in a long time, which is really saying something.

Are you even a Rangers fan or are you just one of these amateur draft gurus trying to be hockey's Mel Kiper Jr.?
 
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Yeah, you're right, Kakko is the problem right now.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Probably one of the most garbage posts I've seen in a long time, which is really saying something.
Where in the post did I say "Kakko is the problem"? You imagined something that didn't happen, and then made a remark about a post that doesn't exist. The only "garbage" is between your ears.

No, Kakko isn't "the problem", he's getting exactly as many minutes as he deserves and playing as well as he played much of the season. Scoring 7 goals and 11 assists in 43 games. No problem at all. Just not deserving of more minutes.

And Ranger fan or not, I don't think you understand hockey very well with a dumb comment like that about a post you clearly don't understand. A Kakko fanboy who jumps down anyone's throat that says anything moderately realistic about Kakko? Sure, far more fitting.
 
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will believe it when i see it. Also will believe it when i see it one of Kappo or Laf getting first pp minutes. Strome/Copp/Rooney/Probably Vatrano gone no excuse for that not to happen

I’m not concerned. Gallant is going to ride the horses that got him here but he has talked them up and hasn’t hesitated to play them in top 6 roles this year
 

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Poor Kakko, guy had two assists taken from
him this series lol

He literally gets shafted on the scoresheet on a nightly basis, it’s a little crazy
 
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