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Player Discussion Kaapo Kakko: Part V

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HockeyBasedNYC said:
Kudos to Gallant for sticking with him while he was trying to find his game after the injury.

I feel like tonight that Panarin and Strome “accepted” him on their line. They both looked for him several times during the game instead of differing to each other

I also saw Strome talking with him about something on the bench. Kakko said the other night that they haven’t really talked, they just play. That’s a good sign.

Regardless, we saw flashes of this type of play from him last season, the next step would be to string a bunch of these games together.

I feel like if he gets 2 or 3 in a game hes going to launch into the stratosphere. TPS Kakko. It’s just waiting to come out.
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This is spot on. The last few games, Panarin/Strome have been looking to include him in the play. It seemed like he proved himself to them and now they look great as a trio rather than a duo+1
 
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McRanger92 said:
This is spot on. The last few games, Panarin/Strome have been looking to include him in the play. It seemed like he proved himself to them and now they look great as a trio rather than a duo+1
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Anyone that's put skates on their feet and played any decent level of hockey knows this is silly talk
 
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The kid is close, real close. I gave him some tough love and now you see it starting to pay off. It's Quinnvelopment.
 
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Say he keeps this level of play up.

What's his contract? 7x6? 8x6? 5x5?

I feel it's very important to nail these contracts.
 
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MysticLeviathan said:
whatever the contract is, unless you’re givinh him 8 years, it has to end in his being a RFA.
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If we manage 5m for 8 years I’d consider it a steal.
He’s more likely gonna get a bridge deal though because of how tight we’re up against the cap, and we also have Miller and laf next year. We’d be prime offer sheet victims.
 
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I'd also bet that Kakko would aim for a short term contract with the hope that he can improve his point totals and command a bigger contract after that.

2 year contract for $3 mill per and hope to cash in on a big contract after that, etc
 
MysticLeviathan said:
whatever the contract is, unless you’re givinh him 8 years, it has to end in his being a RFA.
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I wouldn't do that. Having to give him a contract when the Cap is set to go up would be poor timing on managements part.

7 years 5-6M. Takes him to 28. Big UFA deal.

If we feel he's a key piece to the puzzle... lock him up so we get some value in a few years.
 
but again, there's two sides to a deal. Sure he has pressure on him to take it and not sit out but players might not want to take a long but small deal
 
duhmetreE said:
I wouldn't do that. Having to give him a contract when the Cap is set to go up would be poor timing on managements part.

7 years 5-6M. Takes him to 28. Big UFA deal.

If we feel he's a key piece to the puzzle... lock him up so we get some value in a few years.
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We don't have the cap space to give him that kind of contract.
 
duhmetreE said:
we do if we dont sign Strome
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Ok so we dont sign strome, even assuming chytil slides in there at 2c, he's only signed for another season at that number. You then have him hitting rfa again, and laf + miller hitting RFA at the same time.
You also have to either keep goodrow at 3c or sign someone for that spot.
 
IDvsEGO said:
Ok so we dont sign strome, even assuming chytil slides in there at 2c, he's only signed for another season at that number. You then have him hitting rfa again, and laf + miller hitting RFA at the same time.
You also have to either keep goodrow at 3c or sign someone for that spot.
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Barron. KAM wont cost as much. We'll see what happens with Laf. Chytil's the exact case and point why I don't want to give out 2-3 year deals. I get it, it takes two.

It will be tight. The point is, would we be best served to lock up certain pieces? Building great value for the future when we're at the peak of our 'window'.

If Gorton was still here, I'd guess a lot more bridges.... and that may still be the way Drury goes..
 
duhmetreE said:
Barron. KAM wont cost as much. We'll see what happens with Laf. Chytil's the exact case and point why I don't want to give out 2-3 year deals. I get it, it takes two.

It will be tight. The point is, would we be best served to lock up certain pieces? Building great value for the future when we're at the peak of our 'window'.

If Gorton was still here, I'd guess a lot more bridges.... and that may still be the way Drury goes..
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Drury has bridged lindgren and chytil, signed shesty to a long term deal.

Even assuming Barron, KAM is currently in our top 4, he's getting a not insignificant raise. I would assume he's looking in the 4m range but that would prob lock him up long term.
Laf is going to want to get paid, and he's perfect for an offersheet if we dont sign him before he hits RFA.
I agree that its in the rangers best interest to lock kakko to a long term deal, but its not in his unless we're giving him something rediculous that assumes big jumps in production like 7m +, which we dont have the cap space for.
 
IDvsEGO said:
Drury has bridged lindgren and chytil, signed shesty to a long term deal.

Even assuming Barron, KAM is currently in our top 4, he's getting a not insignificant raise. I would assume he's looking in the 4m range but that would prob lock him up long term.
Laf is going to want to get paid, and he's perfect for an offersheet if we dont sign him before he hits RFA.
I agree that its in the rangers best interest to lock kakko to a long term deal, but its not in his unless we're giving him something rediculous that assumes big jumps in production like 7m +, which we dont have the cap space for.
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And I hated the Chytil bridge and thought Shesty's contract was too short.

Tough cuts/choices will have to be made. There's no escaping it. If they think they can 'win now' they could bridge most of the kids and ride out the vets here. Hope for a cup run, or two, or three with Gallant. One way or another, there's a cap crunch coming and good players will have to be moved.

As long as we keep the cycle going and replenish our cupboards, with good young talent, I'm fine. Do not use our draft picks for rentals... etc.

Once again, the point was, WHICH PLAYERS, if any, are worthy of locking up long term?

I expect Kakko's #'s to spike because he's the most logical choice to replace Strome on PP1. Bridging him now, helps alleviate some immediate cap tightness, but it explodes in 2-3 years when the cap is significantly higher and he's putting PP1 #'s. I really think a 6-7 year deal around $5M may seem too much at first but it's a phenomenal value as early as next season. This is all assuming Kakko will sign it and Rangers would offer it.

Maybe I'm old school, not worried about offer sheets. Who's going to offersheet Laf the way he's been playing? How much are they willing to pay for him, a LWer?
 
duhmetreE said:
And I hated the Chytil bridge and thought Shesty's contract was too short.

Tough cuts/choices will have to be made. There's no escaping it. If they think they can 'win now' they could bridge most of the kids and ride out the vets here. Hope for a cup run, or two, or three with Gallant. One way or another, there's a cap crunch coming and good players will have to be moved.

As long as we keep the cycle going and replenish our cupboards, with good young talent, I'm fine. Do not use our draft picks for rentals... etc.

Once again, the point was, WHICH PLAYERS, if any, are worthy of locking up long term?

I expect Kakko's #'s to spike because he's the most logical choice to replace Strome on PP1. Bridging him now, helps alleviate some immediate cap tightness, but it explodes in 2-3 years when the cap is significantly higher and he's putting PP1 #'s. I really think a 6-7 year deal around $5M may seem too much at first but it's a phenomenal value as early as next season. This is all assuming Kakko will sign it and Rangers would offer it.

Maybe I'm old school, not worried about offer sheets. Who's going to offersheet Laf the way he's been playing? How much are they willing to pay for him, a LWer?
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First off, i think laf replaces strome more on pp1.

I absolutely think that Laf / kakko/ miller are worth longer deals and locking up. The problem potentially with both laf and kakko is that what we would offer for locking them up, wouldnt be acceptable for them.
 
IDvsEGO said:
First off, i think laf replaces strome more on pp1.

I absolutely think that Laf / kakko/ miller are worth longer deals and locking up. The problem potentially with both laf and kakko is that what we would offer for locking them up, wouldnt be acceptable for them.
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Laf said he's not comfortable on the right side. He's not replacing Panarin or Zibs on the left.. IMO it's Kakko's spot barring a miraculous chain of events where Laf goes on a tear

There's a lot of hockey still left to be played. Kakko is well in the lead and the favorite
 
duhmetreE said:
6-7 x 5M
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that would be a best case scenario for the rangers, I dont think kakko will commit 7 yrs at 5 if he keeps progressing this year. He'll want to bet on himself like most RFAs and look for something around 2-3yrs from 2.75-4.5
 
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