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Player Discussion Kaapo Kakko: Part V

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tomobson said:
Kakko just isn't the right fit on that line. Tbh, I think that lines needs Hunt but that would be giving those two way too much control over the team. Kakko is trying to do what Gallant wants the team to do while Strome and Panarin are just floating around. Panarin is great on the boards but we don't see that from him at all anymore. There's a reason why Kakko has only meshed with Chytil so far and that's because Chytil will always be there to support him along the boards. Mika and Kreider used to be great at cycling but they've lost that type of play over the Quinn years it seems. Kakko really needs to get off that Strome line. When the games get tough Strome will shrink from being physical and then all that's left is Kakko on that line trying to win board battles.
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Exactly. I basically was typing out the same observation as you posted, so it's not just me being off on a tangent.

The Kraken are a worse version of the NYI, and the Rangers failed the test miserably. There are structural problems with the Rangers top lines, not only tactical. Strome needs to go for a real center, and Zib and Panarin need to start playing a complete game and not only go for the lazy seam/off the rush plays all the time.
 
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Man I think there is a real decent chance we end up regretting that Zibanejad contract sooner than we thought. The biggest problem is that it's unmovable.
 
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I still don’t think he’s a good long-term fit with Panarin and Strome since they’re both players who thrive having the puck a lot. He’s shown that he’s much better with the puck when he can carry it through the neutral zone and control the attack in the offensive zone, and I think it could work stylistically better with Kreider and Mika as his linemates. Goodrow seems like a more natural fit with Panarin/Strome since he can be the main forechecker and puck retrieval guy for them.
 
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Mac n Gs said:
I still don’t think he’s a good long-term fit with Panarin and Strome since they’re both players who thrive having the puck a lot. He’s shown that he’s much better with the puck when he can carry it through the neutral zone and control the attack in the offensive zone, and I think it could work stylistically better with Kreider and Mika as his linemates. Goodrow seems like a more natural fit with Panarin/Strome since he can be the main forechecker and puck retrieval guy for them.
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Agreed, swap Goodrow and him.

Kakko will be fine. He just got back from IR for chrissake
 
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mas0764 said:
It is fair to say "it's early," and also "it's starting to get late," on both Kakko and Lafreniere.

Obviously they are not done developing and may still be stars.

It's also completely reasonable to say "But the stars we were hoping they would become had mostly produced way more by this point." It's not unfair to call attention to that issue.
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I am not entirely sure why this seems to be such a difficult concept. In saying anything along those lines people are quick to assume that you think they are going to completely bust. There is middle ground, however; to suggest that they are remotely near the players we were (quite correctly) expecting them to be, at this stage, seems slightly reverie.
 
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He and Laf are still miles ahead of where most good players were at 20 years old.

Yeah, a lot of the superstars are instant hits, but we don't need superstars. Turns out our franchise player wasn't either of them and our franchise player is better than either of them were projected to be. We already won that fight.

I would be very happy with very good top 6 wingers.
 
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Machinehead said:
He and Laf are still miles ahead of where most good players were at 20 years old.

Yeah, a lot of the superstars are instant hits, but we don't need superstars. Turns out our franchise player wasn't either of them and our franchise player is better than either of them were projected to be. We already won that fight.

I would be very happy with very good top 6 wingers.
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I dunno, I kinda think we need a couple superstars at forward.
 
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Worse than he was last season... No progress at all.

Surely everyone has to be disappointed at this point.
 
mas0764 said:
I dunno, I kinda think we need a couple superstars at forward.
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We have Panarin for what, six more years? I'm not worried about it.

Panarin is going to be fine. The panicking over a legit Hart-level forward having his first cold spell in a Rangers uniform is dumb.

A cold spell, mind you, where he's still on a 73 point pace by complete accident. That's bad Panarin.
 
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Machinehead said:
We have Panarin for what, six more years? I'm not worried about it.

Panarin is going to be fine. The panicking over a legit Hart-level forward having his first cold spell in a Rangers uniform is dumb.

A cold spell, mind you, where he's still on a 73 point pace by complete accident. That's bad Panarin.
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I haven't seen anyone criticize Panarin for having "cold spell".
 
Mac n Gs said:
I still don’t think he’s a good long-term fit with Panarin and Strome since they’re both players who thrive having the puck a lot. He’s shown that he’s much better with the puck when he can carry it through the neutral zone and control the attack in the offensive zone, and I think it could work stylistically better with Kreider and Mika as his linemates. Goodrow seems like a more natural fit with Panarin/Strome since he can be the main forechecker and puck retrieval guy for them.
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glad to see someone else think this. He’s almost exactly what that line needs
 
The fact that Kakko looks good, and still can't produce points is very concerning. Most prospects who disappoint early on look bad - struggling to keep up, etc - kinda like KK year one. Now that KK has adjusted to the pace, is playing a solid 200 foot game and still hasn't produced is highly unusual for a maturing prospect. It makes one wonder if he will never really score enough for a high end top six winger and will just be a solid two way 40ish points a year two-way forward. Not what you are looking for when picking second in the draft and not what we need to get to the promised land. Panarin and Kreider are 30; who is the next high end winger on the horizon?
 
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who would be in favor of this idea?

blais-strome-panarin
laffy-chytil-kakko

kakko has had the most success playing with chytil. along with laffy all 3 are within the same age group and can develop together.

chytil and kakko away from each other just doesn't work.

the fox-kreider-panarin power play fireworks is eventually not going to last.
 
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who would be in favor of this idea?

blais-strome-panarin
laffy-chytil-kakko

kakko has had the most success playing with chytil. along with laffy all 3 are within the same age group and can develop together.

chytil and kakko away from each other just doesn't work.

the fox-kreider-panarin power play fireworks is eventually not going to last.
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agree with the laf-chytil-kakko line. young players together could work well
 
OrlandK said:
The fact that Kakko looks good, and still can't produce points is very concerning. Most prospects who disappoint early on look bad - struggling to keep up, etc - kinda like KK year one. Now that KK has adjusted to the pace, is playing a solid 200 foot game and still hasn't produced is highly unusual for a maturing prospect. It makes one wonder if he will never really score enough for a high end top six winger and will just be a solid two way 40ish points a year two-way forward. Not what you are looking for when picking second in the draft and not what we need to get to the promised land. Panarin and Kreider are 30; who is the next high end winger on the horizon?
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So, by this logic, looking bad would be better? Hmm. I think we just need to be patient. He's 20 years old and played 119 NHL games. Less than 1.5 of a normal 82 game season.

It's phenomenal news that he looks good. Offense and production will come, with time.
 
Bacon Artemi Bravo said:
So, by this logic, looking bad would be better? Hmm. I think we just need to be patient. He's 20 years old and played 119 NHL games. Less than 1.5 of a normal 82 game season.

It's phenomenal news that he looks good. Offense and production will come, with time.
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Don’t argue with stupid. It’s not worth it.
 
Kakko still doesn’t do it for me. Going to be a good, solid player. He isn’t going to be the guy we thought we were getting at #2.

Part of that is our fault - can’t develop him. Part of that is his fault - just can’t produce points.
 
They need to get Kakko away from Panarin as long as Panarin is stapled to Strome. Strome looks to give to Panarin to the team's detriment. I think Panarin and Kakko could work well together, but not as long as Strome is around.
 
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