Value of: JVR to Toronto

[Pebble live]

I'll admit, the fit is there, on paper. JVR is available, without question. And Toronto really could use LW scoring help. Bringing back a former player wouldn't be a first in this league, either. So it's a discussion worth having.

But the offer in the OP is a joke. Even with max retention from Philly, there's still not a ton of value with JVR. I think a 2nd rounder is a starting point, and could be adjusted/argued either way. And I expect Toronto would rather be big game hunting, anyway. So they'd probably have to miss out on the likes of ROR and Chychrun before circling around to options like JVR.

I just don't see the leafs big game hunting again without offering up their first. They've been burned pretty badly on those firsts under Dubas'. I just don't see it happening. On the other hand moving out a 2nd and a prospect for JVR, as you mentioned it, is probably just about right.

I was leaning towards needing some muscle and help on D but this group responded well with the injuries. A Luke Schenn would be nice but I'm not sure its needed.

 

[Rich Nixon]

yes sorry too late no takebacks I've already personally finalized this trade and have JVR tied up in my trunk on the way to the airport good deal thank you

 

[captainpaxil]

Between retention and the ability to take salary back jvr gets a first for sure

 

[Deeds26]

Hear me out, what if its a three-way deal

To Toronto: JVR
To Philly: Luke Schenn
To Canucks: 2nd Rounder

Easy peasy.




Important Note:

 

[Tripod]

JVR can still produce.

11 pts in 12 games this year
Last year led the Flyers in goals....4th in pts
2 years ago tied for 1st in pts on Flyers...3rd in goals

The Flyers and the coaching have just been REALLY bad. Notice how Giroux's numbers went up after leaving Philly. And Ghost's.

The OP offer is too much but JVR can still play and produce.

 

[Hockeyskanks]

Rumours are that JVR will be available to a contender and the Leafs really need a top 6 LW. What does it take to get JVR back to Toronto? Flyers would have to retain salary to make it work salary wise.
2023 1st
Robertson
Voit
For JVR @50%

Is this a joke? JVR hasnt been relevant since he left the leafs and now theyre sending a first and prospect for him?

 

[dats81]

Realistically, I'm hoping for a 2nd round pick for JVR at the TDL. Maybe, a little something added if they retain 50%.

 

[Contenderorpretender]

Whoa, that's an ugly trade

 

[JRichard]

Is this a joke? JVR hasnt been relevant since he left the leafs and now theyre sending a first and prospect for him?

I see 2 jokes: op proposal and you saying JVR wasnt relevant after the Leafs. JVR scored 27 goals first year away from Leafs, 6 less points in 15 last games. And last season he scored 24, would have placed 5th on TML. He is relevant.

Late 1st? maybe. Top prospect? No. Give me Villeneuve, Voit and Ottawa’s 3rd.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I see 2 jokes: op proposal and you saying JVR wasnt relevant after the Leafs. JVR scored 27 goals first year away from Leafs, 6 less points in 15 last games. And last season he scored 24, would have placed 5th on TML. He is relevant.

Late 1st? maybe. Top prospect? No. Give me Villeneuve, Voit and Ottawa’s 3rd.

That trade is also a no go.

 

[ponder719]

JVR can still produce.

11 pts in 12 games this year
Last year led the Flyers in goals....4th in pts
2 years ago tied for 1st in pts on Flyers...3rd in goals

The Flyers and the coaching have just been REALLY bad. Notice how Giroux's numbers went up after leaving Philly. And Ghost's.

The OP offer is too much but JVR can still play and produce.

This. JVR (assuming retention here, because why would we not) is worth more than a late 2nd, less than a 1st++. Someone will meet the Flyers in the middle, either by giving a late enough 1st/high enough 2nd (even if we take back some salary ballast), or by adding prospect value to lower draft picks. That team might be Toronto, might not. Depends on what's out there for the Leafs as we get closer to the deadline.

 

[JRichard]

This. JVR (assuming retention here, because why would we not) is worth more than a late 2nd, less than a 1st++. Someone will meet the Flyers in the middle, either by giving a late enough 1st/high enough 2nd (even if we take back some salary ballast), or by adding prospect value to lower draft picks. That team might be Toronto, might not. Depends on what's out there for the Leafs as we get closer to the deadline.

Toronto is 100% going for a couple of PO rounds. Adding JVR will not prevent them from getting a bigger fish with a late 1st or top prospect.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Between retention and the ability to take salary back jvr gets a first for sure

No he doesn't not a chance.

Not with Kane, Towes, Meier, ROR, Tank, Horvat etc. on the market

 

[JRichard]

From Philly beat: Montreal Canadiens were thinking about adding left winger James van Riemsdyk last summer, but it seems their Shayne Gostisbehere-type “offer” insulted Flyers GM Chuck Fletcher.

edit: From Mtl: Montreal Hockey Now has had sources confirm to them that the Canadiens had conversations with the Flyers about JVR, and were likely to be one of the teams asking for a 1st-round pick to take him on.

 

[Hockeyskanks]

I see 2 jokes: op proposal and you saying JVR wasnt relevant after the Leafs. JVR scored 27 goals first year away from Leafs, 6 less points in 15 last games. And last season he scored 24, would have placed 5th on TML. He is relevant.

Late 1st? maybe. Top prospect? No. Give me Villeneuve, Voit and Ottawa’s 3rd.

lmao he had 38 points last season. 9 of those 24 goals were on the powerplay.

Tell me more about this amazing player....

 

[JRichard]

lmao he had 38 points last season. 9 of those 24 goals were on the powerplay.

Tell me more about this amazing player....

Pp goals are worth less now?
not even asking for 1st or top prospect.
Not amazing, but relevant. Been for years.

 

[AvroArrow]

Ban the OP from making proposals, bruh wtf. JVR was washed when we let him go, why are we giving up that much to get him back ? No interest in him at this point, good guy I really like him a lot but no thank you.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Pp goals are worth less now?
not even asking for 1st or top prospect.
Not amazing, but relevant. Been for years.

He likely wouldn't be on our PP though. Not the first unit anyways.

 

[BlueBaron]

I can see why some might connect JVR to Toronto but I'm not sure he's what we'd be looking for.

He really couldn't supplant anyone from our first pp and I don't think he has the speed we require. Sure he might be OK with JVR and Marner but probably not worth the acquisition cost.

It really is far more likely we'll invest most of our assets on a top 4 rhd to push Holl out of the line up. We are more likely to get a cheaper yet ,faster winger.

 

[Hockeyskanks]

Pp goals are worth less now?
not even asking for 1st or top prospect.
Not amazing, but relevant. Been for years.

You could stick a ton of 30 point plugs on powerplay and get them up to 40 points is my point. If a guy needs pp time to get to 40 points then he's probably not worth much more than a 5th.... Especially making what JVR is making.

 

[bert]

I thought it was abit much too, but if it was just Robertson and the 1st all the non Leafs fans would be laughing saying Robertson isn’t worth anything. Just wanted to see what other people thought I think he’d be better with Marner and JT than anyone else we have, we’ll until Knies is signed anyway

As a neutral fan why are you giving up that much for JVR? I dont get it.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I can see why some might connect JVR to Toronto but I'm not sure he's what we'd be looking for.

He really couldn't supplant anyone from our first pp and I don't think he has the speed we require. Sure he might be OK with JVR and Marner but probably not worth the acquisition cost.

It really is far more likely we'll invest most of our assets on a top 4 rhd to push Holl out of the line up. We are more likely to get a cheaper yet ,faster winger.

Not worth the acquisition cost?

I doubt he gets much

 

[LeafGrief]

JVR is the laziest 5v5 player in the league. He can score goals and that will always have value, but he’d be a PP2 option for us and we don’t actually need a defensively lazy player.

Not a player the Leafs are even remotely interested in tbh.

 

[BlueBaron]

Not worth the acquisition cost?

I doubt he gets much

The problem is no one likes to retain for free. Even if he is only a second with retention it would be a poor use of assets IMO.

Doesn't address needs so is simply a luxury we can't afford.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The problem is no one likes to retain for free. Even if he is only a second with retention it would be a poor use of assets IMO.

Doesn't address needs so is simply a luxury we can't afford.

I don't even even think he's a 2nd, remember teams were asking for a 1st round pick just to take him last summer