What's the point of this post?
You raise a bunch of silly arguments against him and then refute them?
Why?
Yeah sorry no he wouldn't. No one is dumping on him, I have said that he has surpassed Pouliot one of or your top prospect(s) on the depth chart, because his game is more complete than the defensively deficient Pouliot, that seems like giving him more credit than anything.
One season does not a top pairing Dman make, as I have said, he is on the way but he may need a larger sample size, if not, than by that logic I guess Martin Marincin is a top pairing dman also.
I must have missed where Martin Marincin showed he could thrive with big minutes against top competition in the playoffs en route to a Cup win.
Know when to quit when you're behind. Your comments on Dumo alone show you really have no clue regarding anything Pens-related.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/martin-marincin-top-pair-defenceman-leafs/
and I didn't write this, thanks for coming out.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/martin-marincin-top-pair-defenceman-leafs/
and I didn't write this, thanks for coming out.
Dumoulin is also three years older than Pouliot. It's not really a huge surprise that his game is more advanced than DP's is.
Pouliot hasn't regressed. He's 22. He is raw and has issues that he needs to work on, as most young defenders do. He's been in a tough situation due to a few things - primarily a logjam on D in Pittsburgh and some badly timed injuries on his part - so he hasn't had a huge opportunity to work things out at an NHL level. When he was in the line-up briefly this year before getting injured you could see signs of growth and he definitely hit the training room hard this off-season with Gary Roberts.
The irony is that if he were on a worse team he'd probably be further along in his development right now, for better or for worse.
We have 5 of those....that's why i would never consider dealing JVR for Pouliot.
Dumoulin is also three years older than Pouliot. It's not really a huge surprise that his game is more advanced than DP's is.
Pouliot hasn't regressed. He's 22. He is raw and has issues that he needs to work on, as most young defenders do. He's been in a tough situation due to a few things - primarily a logjam on D in Pittsburgh and some badly timed injuries on his part - so he hasn't had a huge opportunity to work things out at an NHL level. When he was in the line-up briefly this year before getting injured you could see signs of growth and he definitely hit the training room hard this off-season with Gary Roberts.
The irony is that if DP were on a worse team he'd probably be further along in his development right now, for better or for worse. As far as Dumoulin goes, he's not a big name or a high pedigree guy so he gets overlooked or incorrectly assumed that he's not as good as he is. He quietly goes about his business and he's not going to put up a ton of points so he's always going to be one of those under the radar guys.
We have 5 of those....that's why i would never consider dealing JVR for Pouliot.
He has regressed, or he hasn't come close to what he should be. Regardless, he isn't an NHL impact player at this stage.
Jarry avail? :p
Came into this thread to hopefully see some trade scenarios discussed.
Should have assumed it would be a tire fire in here.
Anyways, JvR to Pitt makes sense. Cheap contract, would look really good in their top 6. With that being said, there doesn't look to be a match with these two teams considering the Leafs needs.
Would you say you'd rather hold onto him going into next season and risk losing him versus picking up a 1st or a premium prospect?
Would you say you'd rather hold onto him going into next season and risk losing him versus picking up a 1st or a premium prospect?
And that's fine. I honestly wouldn't make that trade either because as much as I do like JVR, IMO he's not a huge need for the Pens. I'd rather let DP develop and give Sprong his shot next year or if he's ready later this year. There are a lot of annoying misconceptions about Pouliot (and Dumoulin, oddly) going on in this thread, though, which I'm sure you can relate to.
Would you say you'd rather hold onto him going into next season and risk losing him versus picking up a 1st or a premium prospect?
I would rather the Pens make a big trade for some help on defense v. more help on offense.
They already have more goal scoring power than almost any team in the league. Pens also have Sprong and Guentzel on the way. They don't have any defenseman in WBS that will be able to step up and play a big role with the club immediately.
I think we will sign a rental eventually to be a Lovejoy'ish option for depth, but I don't really see any of the six starters being inadequate at all considering the type of hockey we want to play. Who would you push down?
Bigger dividends to come from replacing Kunitz on Malkin's line with the right guy. Unless it can be Rust, I dont think we have that guy from within.