Proposal: JVR to the Pens

[Porn*]

Jarry avail? :p

 

[Liferleafer]

What's the point of this post?

You raise a bunch of silly arguments against him and then refute them?

Why?

It's called sarcasm. Kind of like me asking what's the point of you continually bashing everything Leafs? It's pointless....but fun i guess.

We as Leaf fans know what JVR is, a 30ish/30ish guy who produces no matter who he plays with. Is he amazing defensively? No. Is he a "black hole" defensively? No. Does he play a mean physical game? No...but he scores a crap ton of his goals in the dirty area, so calling him soft is garbage. Would i trade him for some of the stuff offered in here? Absolutely no.

 

[LeafsNation149]

Maatta is the only thing Leafs would have interest in. If he is unavailable, sorry it looks like there's no deal to be done.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Yeah sorry no he wouldn't. No one is dumping on him, I have said that he has surpassed Pouliot one of or your top prospect(s) on the depth chart, because his game is more complete than the defensively deficient Pouliot, that seems like giving him more credit than anything.

One season does not a top pairing Dman make, as I have said, he is on the way but he may need a larger sample size, if not, than by that logic I guess Martin Marincin is a top pairing dman also.

I must have missed where Martin Marincin showed he could thrive with big minutes against top competition in the playoffs en route to a Cup win.

Know when to quit when you're behind. Your comments on Dumo alone show you really have no clue regarding anything Pens-related.

 

[Blaylock38]

I must have missed where Martin Marincin showed he could thrive with big minutes against top competition in the playoffs en route to a Cup win.

Know when to quit when you're behind. Your comments on Dumo alone show you really have no clue regarding anything Pens-related.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/martin-marincin-top-pair-defenceman-leafs/

and I didn't write this, thanks for coming out.

 

[Empoleon8771]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/martin-marincin-top-pair-defenceman-leafs/

and I didn't write this, thanks for coming out.

Oh, I guess an article written by a Canadian news outlet counts for more than actually shutting down teams on a cup run. Good to know.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/martin-marincin-top-pair-defenceman-leafs/

and I didn't write this, thanks for coming out.

Exactly what part of that refutes anything I said?

We're not talking about could. We're talking about did.

 

[Dying Alive]

Dumoulin is also three years older than Pouliot. It's not really a huge surprise that his game is more advanced than DP's is.

Pouliot hasn't regressed. He's 22. He is raw and has issues that he needs to work on, as most young defenders do. He's been in a tough situation due to a few things - primarily a logjam on D in Pittsburgh and some badly timed injuries on his part - so he hasn't had a huge opportunity to work things out at an NHL level. When he was in the line-up briefly this year before getting injured you could see signs of growth and he definitely hit the training room hard this off-season with Gary Roberts.

The irony is that if DP were on a worse team he'd probably be further along in his development right now, for better or for worse. As far as Dumoulin goes, he's not a big name or a high pedigree guy so he gets overlooked or incorrectly assumed that he's not as good as he is. He quietly goes about his business and he's not going to put up a ton of points so he's always going to be one of those under the radar guys.

 

[Liferleafer]

Dumoulin is also three years older than Pouliot. It's not really a huge surprise that his game is more advanced than DP's is.

Pouliot hasn't regressed. He's 22. He is raw and has issues that he needs to work on, as most young defenders do. He's been in a tough situation due to a few things - primarily a logjam on D in Pittsburgh and some badly timed injuries on his part - so he hasn't had a huge opportunity to work things out at an NHL level. When he was in the line-up briefly this year before getting injured you could see signs of growth and he definitely hit the training room hard this off-season with Gary Roberts.

The irony is that if he were on a worse team he'd probably be further along in his development right now, for better or for worse.

We have 5 of those....that's why i would never consider dealing JVR for Pouliot.

 

[Dying Alive]

We have 5 of those....that's why i would never consider dealing JVR for Pouliot.

And that's fine. I honestly wouldn't make that trade either because as much as I do like JVR, IMO he's not a huge need for the Pens. I'd rather let DP develop and give Sprong his shot next year or if he's ready later this year. There are a lot of annoying misconceptions about Pouliot (and Dumoulin, oddly) going on in this thread, though, which I'm sure you can relate to.

 

[OCPenguin]

Dumoulin is also three years older than Pouliot. It's not really a huge surprise that his game is more advanced than DP's is.

Pouliot hasn't regressed. He's 22. He is raw and has issues that he needs to work on, as most young defenders do. He's been in a tough situation due to a few things - primarily a logjam on D in Pittsburgh and some badly timed injuries on his part - so he hasn't had a huge opportunity to work things out at an NHL level. When he was in the line-up briefly this year before getting injured you could see signs of growth and he definitely hit the training room hard this off-season with Gary Roberts.

The irony is that if DP were on a worse team he'd probably be further along in his development right now, for better or for worse. As far as Dumoulin goes, he's not a big name or a high pedigree guy so he gets overlooked or incorrectly assumed that he's not as good as he is. He quietly goes about his business and he's not going to put up a ton of points so he's always going to be one of those under the radar guys.

He has regressed, or he hasn't come close to what he should be. Regardless, he isn't an NHL impact player at this stage.

 

[OCPenguin]

We have 5 of those....that's why i would never consider dealing JVR for Pouliot.

Do people not know there is a salary cap in place? If not, there is and this wouldn't work for Pittsburgh regardless. So ... NO USE EVEN TALKING ABOUT IT.

 

[Empoleon8771]

He has regressed, or he hasn't come close to what he should be. Regardless, he isn't an NHL impact player at this stage.

"Hasn't come close to where he should be" and "has regressed" aren't the same thing. Even if you try and argue that he hasn't come close to where he should be, which is stupid because he's only 22, there's no way you can seriously equate that to "him regressing". If he would have regressed, he would still be in the AHL at this point and he wouldn't have had stretched of extremely strong play at the NHL level (which he did this year too before he got hurt).

I mean, come on. Koekoek was taken 2 spots after Pouliot in the 2012 draft and he only has 14 games played in the NHL. To say Pouliot "isn't close to what he should be" is ignoring how long it takes defensemen to develop normally. Dumoulin was drafted in 2010 and he didn't become a full time regular until last season. It took Despres until 14-15 to be a full time NHLer after being drafted in 2009, he was in a similar situation in 2013 to Pouliot now. Players like Maatta are exceptions to the rule.

 

[Baymen4]

Only way Penguins consider something like this is if they have another deal set up to move a forward and MAF to help them prepare for the expansion draft.

 

[mpp9]

Jarry avail? :p

For JVR? I'd certainly think about it. JR seems to love having goaltending depth though. Our offseason consisted of not trading Fleury and using our highest pick on another goalie despite having Fleury's replacement and a longterm backup.

 

[LeafChief]

Came into this thread to hopefully see some trade scenarios discussed.

Should have assumed it would be a tire fire in here.

Anyways, JvR to Pitt makes sense. Cheap contract, would look really good in their top 6. With that being said, there doesn't look to be a match with these two teams considering the Leafs needs.

 

[mpp9]

Came into this thread to hopefully see some trade scenarios discussed.

Should have assumed it would be a tire fire in here.

Anyways, JvR to Pitt makes sense. Cheap contract, would look really good in their top 6. With that being said, there doesn't look to be a match with these two teams considering the Leafs needs.

Would you say you'd rather hold onto him going into next season and risk losing him versus picking up a 1st or a premium prospect?

 

[JTG]

I would rather the Pens make a big trade for some help on defense v. more help on offense.

They already have more goal scoring power than almost any team in the league. Pens also have Sprong and Guentzel on the way. They don't have any defenseman in WBS that will be able to step up and play a big role with the club immediately.

 

[LeafChief]

Would you say you'd rather hold onto him going into next season and risk losing him versus picking up a 1st or a premium prospect?

The Pens first would most likely be late.

Who is the premium prospect?

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

Would you say you'd rather hold onto him going into next season and risk losing him versus picking up a 1st or a premium prospect?

the only way he would lose him is if he wants out, we have the money and spot for him its unlikely he pulls a trouba or some bs, jvr is a pretty stand up guy.

 

[Halla]

And that's fine. I honestly wouldn't make that trade either because as much as I do like JVR, IMO he's not a huge need for the Pens. I'd rather let DP develop and give Sprong his shot next year or if he's ready later this year. There are a lot of annoying misconceptions about Pouliot (and Dumoulin, oddly) going on in this thread, though, which I'm sure you can relate to.

DP will develop. on Vegas. seriously though, 0% chance he is protected.
Letang,Maata,Dumoulin will be

 

[Halla]

Would you say you'd rather hold onto him going into next season and risk losing him versus picking up a 1st or a premium prospect?

the risk is pretty minimal. JVR likes it here and the leafs will have a tonne of cap space

 

[Tender Rip]

I would rather the Pens make a big trade for some help on defense v. more help on offense.

They already have more goal scoring power than almost any team in the league. Pens also have Sprong and Guentzel on the way. They don't have any defenseman in WBS that will be able to step up and play a big role with the club immediately.

I think we will sign a rental eventually to be a Lovejoy'ish option for depth, but I don't really see any of the six starters being inadequate at all considering the type of hockey we want to play. Who would you push down?

Bigger dividends to come from replacing Kunitz on Malkin's line with the right guy. Unless it can be Rust, I dont think we have that guy from within.

 

[KIRK]

I think we will sign a rental eventually to be a Lovejoy'ish option for depth, but I don't really see any of the six starters being inadequate at all considering the type of hockey we want to play. Who would you push down?

Bigger dividends to come from replacing Kunitz on Malkin's line with the right guy. Unless it can be Rust, I dont think we have that guy from within.

Concur.

Although the Pens have no interest in doing that because, well, they still think it's 5 years ago where Kunitz is concerned and are missing the fact that he's like a 3rd defenseman out there for the opposition.

That said, in the fantasy world where they have a clue, yes, JVR would be a huge get. But, what package do the Pens have to offer that would (a) entice the Leafs and (b) be the type of package another team couldn't beat.