Proposal: JVR to the Pens

[Tender Rip]

thank you, I agree with you. Question do you guys feel you would need to make a deal like that: a deal involving JVR for a Sprong or Maatta as a centre piece at this point? would JR look to do that or would he want to wait later in the year esp after just winning the cup? Just curious what the sentiment is now in Pitt?

Hope not. Shouldn't need to. Deadline prises for a rental tweener if the kids dont step up sufficiently should be lower than that of the cited assets in any case.
We're arguably already the best team in the league.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Since when is fact crap? So BRIAN DUMOULIN didnt pass him on the depth chart???

It took you 2 sentences to be spewing more nonsense, congrats

Want to know why Dumoulin jumped Pouliot on the depth chart? Because he's a top pair defenseman already, he's a #2D right now. You're really criticizing Pouliot for getting inuured? Seriously?

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

I wouldn't do it. Wait for deadline and get a cheaper rental for this year.

In the off season when we let Kunitz walk, then use that money to make a signing or trade like Kessel, no need to do a big move in the season.

 

[Blaylock38]

It took you 2 sentences to be spewing more nonsense, congrats

Want to know why Dumoulin jumped Pouliot on the depth chart? Because he's a top pair defenseman already, he's a #2D right now. You're really criticizing Pouliot for getting inuured? Seriously?

Your Idiocy is making my brain hurt, a top pairing Dman avg 21 minutes ok man, just beginning his second potentially full year in the N.Definitely he could be on his way but easy there not yet. Enjoy Pouliot, your own fan base doesn't agree with your assessment DP which doesn't suprise me based on the lack of quality insight. Good Luck the rest of the way Pitt should be in a good position to defend and potentially win it all again.

 

[Tender Rip]

Your Idiocy is making my brain hurt, a top pairing Dman avg 21 minutes ok man, just beginning his second potentially full year in the N.Definitely he could be on his way but easy there not yet. Enjoy Pouliot, your own fan base doesn't agree with your assessment DP which doesn't suprise me based on the lack of quality insight. Good Luck the rest of the way Pitt should be in a good position to defend and potentially win it all again.

Dumoulin is a top pairing D-man on the Pens, where he is an excellent fit with Letang, whereas in HF terminology he might be more of a solid nr. 3.

Easy on the idiocy thing, we just won the cup with him being great in that position and scoring in the cup clincher.

 

[Dying Alive]

Yeah, why would somebody crap on Dumoulin? The guy has been nothing short of a revelation for the Pens since the beginning of last year. He's not going to score a ton of points but he doesn't need to, he plays a more defensive role so that Letang can do his thing.

If you want to make a point about somebody having diminished value because of being jumped on the depth chart, citing Brian Dumoulin is a bad way to do it.

As far as the OP, I don't think the Pens need to make a huge deal and give up multiple bigger pieces for JVR. I like him, but IMO the Pens are good enough without him and can do something at the trade deadline if necessary.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Your Idiocy is making my brain hurt, a top pairing Dman avg 21 minutes ok man, just beginning his second potentially full year in the N.Definitely he could be on his way but easy there not yet.

Honest question, have you ever watched Dumoulin? He averaged 21:31 in the playoffs on a team that won the cup and he's at 21:08 this year. He's definitely a #2 defenseman, just because he didn't average 21 minutes at the start of last year doesn't mean that he's not a #2. Judging players based on ice time is pure idiocy, he's a #2 defenseman right now without a doubt and he has been a #2 defenseman for about the last 10ish months.

Enjoy Pouliot, your own fan base doesn't agree with your assessment DP which doesn't suprise me based on the lack of quality insight. Good Luck the rest of the way Pitt should be in a good position to defend and potentially win it all again.

1 person said they agreed with you. That's it. You're criticizing me for a lack on insight when you're just making crap up and judging players based on ice time? Seriously?

Yeah, why would somebody crap on Dumoulin? The guy has been nothing short of a revelation for the Pens since the beginning of last year. He's not going to score a ton of points but he doesn't need to, he plays a more defensive role so that Letang can do his thing.

If you want to make a point about somebody having diminished value because of being jumped on the depth chart, citing Brian Dumoulin is a bad way to do it.

That poster's analysis reeks of scoreboard watching and a general misunderstanding of the Penguins defense.

 

[Dying Alive]

Also I think it's time to accept that there's no way Kunitz is coming out of the lineup, it would be someone like Sheary. Not that JVR isn't a big upgrade but it's not worth the price.

 

[OCPenguin]

Hagelin-Crosby-Hprnqvist
Kunitz-Malkin-Kessel

I don't see a need for JVR here. Ideally you get a grinder upgrade on Kunitz, but those aren't expensive. JVR is overkill for that.

Exactly. and some of these ideas ... lol. Do people not know there is a salary cap thing in place?

 

[OCPenguin]

Your Idiocy is making my brain hurt, a top pairing Dman avg 21 minutes ok man, just beginning his second potentially full year in the N.Definitely he could be on his way but easy there not yet. Enjoy Pouliot, your own fan base doesn't agree with your assessment DP which doesn't suprise me based on the lack of quality insight. Good Luck the rest of the way Pitt should be in a good position to defend and potentially win it all again.

The guy you are dumping on, Dumo would be by far your best Dman.

 

[Gavy]

The guy you are dumping on, Dumo would be by far your best Dman.

Lol no he wouldnt

If he came to the leafs, he doesn't have Letang to shelter him.

 

[Dying Alive]

Lol no he wouldnt

If he came to the leafs, he doesn't have Letang to shelter him.

If you disagree with him whatever but there's no need to make things up. Letang does not shelter Dumoulin.

 

[3074326]

Pretty easy to tell who has no idea what they're talking about in regards to Dumoulin. Nobody is sheltering him. He doesn't need sheltered. Watch more hockey and stop talking out of your ***es. He's the best dman on the Pens not named Letang. He would start in the top 4 for any team in the league and be top 2 on many. He was a #2 on a Cup winner..

 

[OCPenguin]

Lol no he wouldnt

If he came to the leafs, he doesn't have Letang to shelter him.

Yes he would be your best and it wouldn't be close. People with a hockey IQ know this. Letang doesn't shelter Dumo.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Hagelin-Crosby-Hprnqvist
Kunitz-Malkin-Kessel

I don't see a need for JVR here. Ideally you get a grinder upgrade on Kunitz, but those aren't expensive. JVR is overkill for that.

Is that the lines that are being rolled right now? If so, do you feel that it leaves your 3rd line a little thin? Definitely more of a 3-line league since the fighting lines have gone the way of the dodo

honest question


I would have thought JVR would be a very desirable target for the Pens because of the manageable cap hit and the propensity to look for similar echelon wingers to compliment your centres in the past with Neal, Hornqvist, Kunitz etc and the success those players have had in those situations

 

[Empoleon8771]

Is that the lines that are being rolled right now? If so, do you feel that it leaves your 3rd line a little thin? Definitely more of a 3-line league since the fighting lines have gone the way of the dodo

The Pens 3rd line when everyone is healthy is Sheary-Bonino-Rust. As long as Bonino isn't struggling, I'm fine with that 3rd line. The Pens 4th line is obviously stacked, but I may want to see an upgrade on Rust for that 3rd line. If Sprong comes back this year, the Pens 3rd line would be set.

 

[Kasperi kapanen]

The Pens 3rd line when everyone is healthy is Sheary-Bonino-Rust. As long as Bonino isn't struggling, I'm fine with that 3rd line. The Pens 4th line is obviously stacked, but I may want to see an upgrade on Rust for that 3rd line. If Sprong comes back this year, the Pens 3rd line would be set.

I would rather see an upgrade on Sheary tbh.

 

[Randy Randerson]

The Pens 3rd line when everyone is healthy is Sheary-Bonino-Rust. As long as Bonino isn't struggling, I'm fine with that 3rd line. The Pens 4th line is obviously stacked, but I may want to see an upgrade on Rust for that 3rd line. If Sprong comes back this year, the Pens 3rd line would be set.

If I were in the pens shoes, assuming you're looking like a contender at the deadline, I would go looking for a top 6 upgrade and put Hagelin back to the 3rd line - great checking line that can chip in offensively then you have some depth for injuries

Sprong is a nice idea, but unless he has significant NHL time this year it seems like a lot of faith to put in a prospect

I think the NHL is becoming very cyclical under the cap system, so I'd be going all in on the next couple of years for the Pens, maximize your chances while Sid and Geno are still in their prime. JVR or otherwise I think there's room in that top 6 for another 50-60pt guy who might perform over his head with your centres

 

[FerrisRox]

4 goals 2 assists in 10 games playing with Bozak/Marner.....really bad?

Repeatedly Leafs fans, when discussing James Van Riemsdyk, pretend that hockey is strictly about points.

JVR is an absolute defensive black hole. He's atrocious without the puck and doesn't play a physical game.

When all you offer is offence, you better offer a lot of it. If you are happy with 7 points in 11 games with atrocious defensive play than you should be very happy to keep him on your roster. He's been pretty good offensively, as usual, but defensively he has considerable issues that would definitely impact his trade value.

That being said, he's worth more than Pouilot and it's unfair to say he's been "really bad" this year. He's been about the same as he always been, a skilled offensive player who's very dangerous from in close and a liability when the puck isn't on his stick.

 

[Liferleafer]

Repeatedly Leafs fans, when discussing James Van Riemsdyk, pretend that hockey is strictly about points.

JVR is an absolute defensive black hole. He's atrocious without the puck and doesn't play a physical game.

When all you offer is offence, you better offer a lot of it. If you are happy with 7 points in 11 games with atrocious defensive play than you should be very happy to keep him on your roster. He's been pretty good offensively, as usual, but defensively he has considerable issues that would definitely impact his trade value.

That being said, he's worth more than Pouilot and it's unfair to say he's been "really bad" this year. He's been about the same as he always been, a skilled offensive player who's very dangerous from in close and a liability when the puck isn't on his stick.

Not only that, he can't produce without Kessel!! Oh, wait.....

Not only that, he can't produce without an elite center!!..Oh ya, Bozak...

Not only that, he is a minus player!! Wait, plus 3 last season..minus 2 now on a team with a tire fire defense....

Not only that, i think he kicked a puppy once!! He sucks!!

 

[FerrisRox]

Not only that, he can't produce without Kessel!! Oh, wait.....

Not only that, he can't produce without an elite center!!..Oh ya, Bozak...

Not only that, he is a minus player!! Wait, plus 3 last season..minus 2 now on a team with a tire fire defense....

Not only that, i think he kicked a puppy once!! He sucks!!

What's the point of this post?

You raise a bunch of silly arguments against him and then refute them?

Why?

 

[Blaylock38]

The guy you are dumping on, Dumo would be by far your best Dman.

Yeah sorry no he wouldn't. No one is dumping on him, I have said that he has surpassed Pouliot one of or your top prospect(s) on the depth chart, because his game is more complete than the defensively deficient Pouliot, that seems like giving him more credit than anything.

One season does not a top pairing Dman make, as I have said, he is on the way but he may need a larger sample size, if not, than by that logic I guess Martin Marincin is a top pairing dman also.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Yeah sorry no he wouldn't. No one is dumping on him, I have said that he has surpassed Pouliot one of or your top prospect(s) on the depth chart, because his game is more complete than the defensively deficient Pouliot, that seems like giving him more credit than anything.

But Dumoulin isn't "more complete" than Pouliot though, Dumoulin is just absolutely flawless defensively. You really shouldn't try talking about his level of play when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Pouliot isn't being passed on the depth chart because "he's deficient defensively", he's getting passed on the depth chart because the Penguins have an extremely deep defense. He's behind Maatta and Dumoulin at LD and Letang and Daley at RD, all of which are without a doubt top-4 defensemen. Schultz has been extremely good since he came to the Penguins and Cole is in the lineup for his PKing (he's also been solid).

One season does not a top pairing Dman make, as I have said, he is on the way but he may need a larger sample size, if not, than by that logic I guess Martin Marincin is a top pairing dman also.

A. Why? Because you say so? Last year was Dumoulin's rookie season and he has done nothing this year to suggest last year was a fluke, why can't he be considered a top pair defenseman? He's better than Paul Martin was for the Penguins in his last season, and Martin was definitely a #2.
B. Dumoulin is miles ahead of Marincin, what an asinine comparison.

 

[Blaylock38]

Honest question, have you ever watched Dumoulin? He averaged 21:31 in the playoffs on a team that won the cup and he's at 21:08 this year. He's definitely a #2 defenseman, just because he didn't average 21 minutes at the start of last year doesn't mean that he's not a #2. Judging players based on ice time is pure idiocy, he's a #2 defenseman right now without a doubt and he has been a #2 defenseman for about the last 10ish months.



1 person said they agreed with you. That's it. You're criticizing me for a lack on insight when you're just making crap up and judging players based on ice time? Seriously?



That poster's analysis reeks of scoreboard watching and a general misunderstanding of the Penguins defense.

You reek of hometown Bias, with no real insight other than you watch pittsburgh games good for you. I love your logic, what you are describing is Dumo progressing and establishing himself, but for some reason you can't comprehend regression when it comes to Pouliot, and that year after year he major flaw in his game is that he is not defensively responsible and needs to improve, and he has not done that, so keep talking.

 

[Empoleon8771]

You reek of hometown Bias, with no real insight other than you watch pittsburgh games good for you. I love your logic, what you are describing is Dumo progressing and establishing himself, but for some reason you can't comprehend regression when it comes to Pouliot, and that year after year he major flaw in his game is that he is not defensively responsible and needs to improve, and he has not done that, so keep talking.

"reek of hometown bias"

So I'm biased for calling you out for talking out of your ass without having any idea what you're saying? Okay. Go watch some Pens games before you make dumb and uninformed comments on them.

Pouliot hasn't regressed, there you go spouting off nonsense again. Again, if you've never even seen Dumoulin play, then why are you commenting on how Pouliot has played? You obviously have shown that you have no idea with the talent level of the Penguins defensemen, so why are you acting like you actually watch them? If you would actually watch them, you'd realize that Pouliot's issues aren't "he's not defensively responsible", rather that he's inconsistent on a game to game basis. You'd also realize that he's not playing because the Penguins have an extremely deep defense, which perfectly explains his inconsistencies when you consider he doesn't usually play for long stretches of games. At absolute worst, you could argue he has stagnated, but "regression" is blatantly false.

Again, go watch some Penguins games or stop talking like you have any sort of idea what their situation is. You obviously have no idea of anything with regards to the Penguins defense, so go watch them or stop acting like you actually have watched them.