Proposal: JVR to the Pens

[mpp9]

Rutherford was rumored to have tried to get Toronto to add him in the Kessel deal. The Pens weak points currently are top 6 LW and 2nd pairing LD. I have more faith in Maatta to look serviceable this season in his designated role than what we have on LW in theirs.

JVR's on a very reasonable deal until 2018, fits our speed game and has had chemistry in the past with Kessel. What's it take if the Leafs decide to move him this season?

I'd imagine JR would at the very least put Pouliot on the table. Is that enough as a main piece?

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[Halla]

Rutherford was rumored to have tried to get Toronto to add him in the Kessel deal. The Pens weak points currently are top 6 LW and 2nd pairing LD. I have more faith in Maatta to look serviceable this season in his designated role than what we have on LW in theirs.

JVR's on a very reasonable deal until 2018, fits our speed game and has had chemistry in the past with Kessel. What's it take if the Leafs decide to move him this season?

I'd imagine JR would at the very least put Pouliot on the table. Is that enough as a main piece?

the leafs are probably well aware Pouliot would be left exposed at the exp. draft. They would have to like him more than Carrick which they probably don't. trading JVR then having to expose pouliot/carrick just doesnt make sense. If they can get a legit top 4 RHD, or 1st + very good prospect (A-la Ladd deal) then they may pull the trigger

 

[Liferleafer]

Rutherford was rumored to have tried to get Toronto to add him in the Kessel deal. The Pens weak points currently are top 6 LW and 2nd pairing LD. I have more faith in Maatta to look serviceable this season in his designated role than what we have on LW in theirs.

JVR's on a very reasonable deal until 2018, fits our speed game and has had chemistry in the past with Kessel. What's it take if the Leafs decide to move him this season?

I'd imagine JR would at the very least put Pouliot on the table. Is that enough as a main piece?

I posted this in the Seabrook thread....there are a number of Dmen i would trade JVR for....Pouliot isn't one of them. I don't see a JVR/Pens deal...your 1st is late, and the only D i would be interested in would be Maata, which isn't on the table.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Rutherford was rumored to have tried to get Toronto to add him in the Kessel deal. The Pens weak points currently are top 6 LW and 2nd pairing LD. I have more faith in Maatta to look serviceable this season in his designated role than what we have on LW in theirs.

JVR's on a very reasonable deal until 2018, fits our speed game and has had chemistry in the past with Kessel. What's it take if the Leafs decide to move him this season?

I'd imagine JR would at the very least put Pouliot on the table. Is that enough as a main piece?

I don't think there is much basis for a trade there to be honest.

 

[MacerV]

Rutherford was rumored to have tried to get Toronto to add him in the Kessel deal. The Pens weak points currently are top 6 LW and 2nd pairing LD. I have more faith in Maatta to look serviceable this season in his designated role than what we have on LW in theirs.

JVR's on a very reasonable deal until 2018, fits our speed game and has had chemistry in the past with Kessel. What's it take if the Leafs decide to move him this season?

I'd imagine JR would at the very least put Pouliot on the table. Is that enough as a main piece?

I wanted to disagree that there isn't a trade ere but honestly there isn't. Penguins don't have the assets. Pouliot/Sprong are interesting pieces, include a 1st and you got a basis, but Toronto isn't going to like having to expose one of Pouliot/Sprong, and Sprong looks good but Toronto is already full of forward prospects.

 

[etm124]

I'd imagine JR would at the very least put Pouliot on the table. Is that enough as a main piece?

Hard to see Toronto trading an established LW for a guy who is, one, injured, and two, hasn't proven himself at an NHL level.

He's shown glimmers of potential, but I don't think Toronto bites.

 

[CanadianPensFan1]

If it could revolved around two smaller add's instead of a bigger one, I would definitely do a 1st + those adds. Pouliot I would let go of. Not Sprong or Pretzel.

But Toronto wouldnt do this so its moot.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

JVR has been really bad this season.
Buyer beware

 

[Empoleon8771]

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I don't see a need for JVR here. Ideally you get a grinder upgrade on Kunitz, but those aren't expensive. JVR is overkill for that.

 

[Liferleafer]

JVR has been really bad this season.
Buyer beware

4 goals 2 assists in 10 games playing with Bozak/Marner.....really bad?

 

[Srsly]

I'm not sure I'm willing to move him unless the return is higher than what you want to part with.Maatta and a 2nd would get the ball rolling on discussions.

Would JVR and 2nd for Maatta and a 1st make sense?

 

[Kamiccolo]

4 goals 2 assists in 10 games playing with Bozak/Marner.....really bad?

You should be used to this. Players can't be good, they have to be amazing or garbage. JVR has been average. We know he can play better, but he's also being made to look worse next to Marner who skates circles around a lot of guys on the ice.

Remember last week it was Kadri? Before that it was Andersen. Now it's JVR. Next week it'll be whoever doesn't score. Matthews?

 

[Blaylock38]

Rutherford was rumored to have tried to get Toronto to add him in the Kessel deal. The Pens weak points currently are top 6 LW and 2nd pairing LD. I have more faith in Maatta to look serviceable this season in his designated role than what we have on LW in theirs.

JVR's on a very reasonable deal until 2018, fits our speed game and has had chemistry in the past with Kessel. What's it take if the Leafs decide to move him this season?

I'd imagine JR would at the very least put Pouliot on the table. Is that enough as a main piece?

Not at all Pouliot has shown no progression as a prospect at the NHL level, can't seem to crack the Pens lineup, while other D has passed him on the depth chart, seems to be injured, He is a secondary piece if the Leafs would have any interest in him, which is hopefully not

 

[Empoleon8771]

Not at all Pouliot has shown no progression as a prospect at the NHL level, can't seem to crack the Pens lineup, while other D has passed him on the depth chart, seems to be injured, He is a secondary piece if the Leafs would have any interest in him, which is hopefully not

The only part you got right is that he's hurt right now, congrats on making such an incorrect post

 

[KIRK]

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Kunitz-Malkin-Kessel

I don't see a need for JVR here. Ideally you get a grinder upgrade on Kunitz, but those aren't expensive. JVR is overkill for that.

1. Kunitz is just brutal out there right now. Gone from making 4-5 good plays a period to 4-5 a game . . . on a good night. Missing easy passes. Half-assing on the forecheck. Malkin and Kessel are absolute magic together, and Kunitz is a blessing for the opposition on 95%+ of their shifts together.

2. Don't think the Pens have the right package for JVR right now, even if he's not playing well to start the season, unless you're talking Maatta (which means the Pens need to find a defensive stop gap) OR Sprong++. Pouliot doesn't get you invited to the dance. Doesn't even get you to town.

 

[Blaylock38]

The only part you got right is that he's hurt right now, congrats on making such an incorrect post

Ignorance is Bliss my friend, keep living the dream. If you think there is any possible deal to be made there with Pouliot and JVR than you are out to lunch

Keep him if he is so valuable we don't want him.

 

[KIRK]

Ignorance is Bliss my friend, keep living the dream. If you think there is any possible deal to be made there with Pouliot and JVR than you are out to lunch

Keep him if he is so valuable we don't want him.

As a Pens fan, let me say . . . most of us know what you're saying is true.

I'd think you only get Lou's attention if you're talking Maatta OR Sprong++.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I'm not sure I'm willing to move him unless the return is higher than what you want to part with.Maatta and a 2nd would get the ball rolling on discussions.

Would JVR and 2nd for Maatta and a 1st make sense?

It's a fair deal, but the Pens can't move Maatta unless Pouliot makes him expendable. Since he is on IR, it seems unlikely that is going to happen.

 

[Blaylock38]

As a Pens fan, let me say . . . most of us know what you're saying is true.

I'd think you only get Lou's attention if you're talking Maatta OR Sprong++.

thank you, I agree with you. Question do you guys feel you would need to make a deal like that: a deal involving JVR for a Sprong or Maatta as a centre piece at this point? would JR look to do that or would he want to wait later in the year esp after just winning the cup? Just curious what the sentiment is now in Pitt?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Ignorance is Bliss my friend, keep living the dream. If you think there is any possible deal to be made there with Pouliot and JVR than you are out to lunch

Keep him if he is so valuable we don't want him.

I never said that Pouliot would be a centerpiece for JVR, I'm saying that you're just talking out of your ass when you say crap like "Pouliot is getting jumped on the deprh chart" or "Pouliot has made no progression". You can say "Pouliot isn't good enough to be a centerpiece for JVR" without saying "LOL HE SUXS WARSOFSKY IS ABOVE HIM!!!!!"

1. Kunitz is just brutal out there right now. Gone from making 4-5 good plays a period to 4-5 a game . . . on a good night. Missing easy passes. Half-assing on the forecheck. Malkin and Kessel are absolute magic together, and Kunitz is a blessing for the opposition on 95%+ of their shifts together.

Not saying that the Pens don't need an upgrade on Kunitz, I'm saying JVR is overkill for an upgrade on Kunitz.

 

[garyturner3]

JVR has been really bad this season.
Buyer beware

Yep. On pace for only 32 goals. What a bum.

 

[Gavy]

Pens have nothing that they'd be willing to trade that would make us trade JVR. I might entertain Matta + and pray that he can get back to where he used to be and get better. He showed signs of #1D potential so let's hope he can get back to that

 

[ACC1224]

JVR has been really bad this season.
Buyer beware

4 goals 2 assists in 10 games playing with Bozak/Marner.....really bad?

Agreed, really bad.
Those points are more a credit to Marner than anything JVR has done.

 

[Blaylock38]

I never said that Pouliot would be a centerpiece for JVR, I'm saying that you're just talking out of your ass when you say crap like "Pouliot is getting jumped on the deprh chart" or "Pouliot has made no progression". You can say "Pouliot isn't good enough to be a centerpiece for JVR" without saying "LOL HE SUXS WARSOFSKY IS ABOVE HIM!!!!!"



Not saying that the Pens don't need an upgrade on Kunitz, I'm saying JVR is overkill for an upgrade on Kunitz.

Since when is fact crap? So BRIAN DUMOULIN didnt pass him on the depth chart??? Oh sorry you are correct he is good at scoring 7 points, atleast last year he got it less games. I never said Warsofsky is above him but he probably is one of the Dmen ahead of him because injured players can't play. Dude has a world of potential but so do many NHL prospects. Get as offended as you want Leafs don't need the risk or the wait involved for that potential we have comparable D prospects in our system which again would negate any interest in Pouliot, you are better off waiting on him to hopefully establish himself and move his way back up the depth chart.

 

[garyturner3]

Agreed, really bad.
Those points are more a credit to Marner than anything JVR has done.

People said the same thing with him benefiting from Kessel. Fact is the guy is playing at a 30 goal pace for his 5th straight season. That's rare and valuable in this league no matter what the eye test shows.