Faltorvo
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Awesome Matthews....nah you got me....Blake Wheeler?
touche
i gotta give you that one
Awesome Matthews....nah you got me....Blake Wheeler?
touche
i gotta give you that one
Take a lesson from the 2015 Blue Jays on asset management.
If you get locked in nostalgia and chasing the moment, that moment that was the 2015 playoffs can quickly become the moment of the 2017 worst record in baseball with aging, injured core players and little depth to replace them.
If JVR has peaked, it's time to move on.
bridge deals for high end players are going the way of the dodo, sign them at the end of their ELC long term and relax.
A first year elite 1C 40 goal scorer is ages away from a blank check? 2 more 40 goal seasons and blank check is what he gets.
are they now?
have not seen a elc over 7.5m yet and that was to the elite ekblad, i don't call that a blank cheque
nylander,marner will top out at 6m max if they improve.
one just needs to look at the league examples as a touch stone.
The beauty of our forward depth is that you pretty much can stick anyone with Matthews and Nylander or Kadri and Marner and you will get production. Its what Chicago does with Kane and Toews, Pittsburgh with Crosby and Malkin etc. The Leafs dont need to spend more money on wing help. With an elite centremen like Matthews and wingers like Marner and Nylander the need to lock up JVR unless it is a team friendly deal (likely wont happen) doesnt make sense.
Yeah the problem isn't that JVR doesn't deserve to be paid, it's that it may not make sense for us to pay him market value. He's maybe the 9th most important player on the team behind the big 3, Kadri, Andersen, Rielly, Gardiner and Zaitsev. Paying our 9th most important player over 6m - I just don't see how that math can be made to work, it's like trying to divide by zero or something.
If anyone can make an equation work that divides by zero I guess it would be Lou. I'm skeptical though.
I don't know why Lou wouldn't be able to piece this deal into two parts. We can pay him league max over the next two years as Matthews and Marner stay on their ELCs.
I was thinking that maybe pay him 10M for two years then resign him to to a 4.2M deal for 3 more years, this works out to a 6.5M avg for 5 years but structuring it this way gives the Leafs a lot of leeway cap wise.
Of course JVR would have to make an agreement to sign the second deal before signing the first, I don't know how this would work but Lou can figure it. I also don't know if the league would consider this cap circumvention either.
Yeah the problem isn't that JVR doesn't deserve to be paid, it's that it may not make sense for us to pay him market value. He's maybe the 9th most important player on the team behind the big 3, Kadri, Andersen, Rielly, Gardiner and Zaitsev. Paying our 9th most important player over 6m - I just don't see how that math can be made to work, it's like trying to divide by zero or something.
If anyone can make an equation work that divides by zero I guess it would be Lou. I'm skeptical though.
YES!! lol
I wish JVR had Wheels' drivetrain..like him JVR would turn into a 70 point guy.
Exactly. I am not saying that he isnt good because i would have him retire as a Leaf but the money doesnt make sense in a cap world. Like you said probably your 9th most important piece and he is a winger. If he were a centre or a defensemen then it would be a different story or at least a harder decision. With Matthews, Nylander, Marner and Kadri they can produce NHL wingers on their own.
If the Leafs can trade JVR/Bozak/Leo for picks and turn them into defensive help or better long term NHL ready pieces then that would be ideal. If not then play the year with them and evaluate after the season. I suspect Babcock would want Leo, Bozak and JVR back in that order.
thou shall not touch uncle Leo
probably the only one that will ink a deal that fits
It is possible to retain him but is it wise to? Not a position of need in my opinion to use that type of money to keep him when he will be 29; if he were 26 or younger then sure but at his age, his position and the money he would demand it isnt a slam dunk yes when you have at list 4 players that can bring what he brings on the score sheet (again it would be a different story for me if he was a centre).
The 9th best player statement kind of distorts how these things seem to work on team payrolls.
Almost every team pays their goalie and 3 D. What is more relevant is what they pay their top 5 forwards.
Chicago for example pays the their top 5 forwards 34 Mil.
If Kadri and JVR came in at a combined 11 mil that would leave us 23 mil to pay the big 3. If we call Auston 8 that is 7.5 for both Marner and Nylander. I do not believe the 3 of them are going to cost that. If Nylander and Marner settle in at say 6 that is 3 mil to add to your number 4 D.
Totally doable.
If we think Auston is going to command 10 it still leave 6.5 for the other 2 which still seems high. Now add to that a rising cap and I have to think this is not as impossible as you are making it out to be. The 9th best player argument really sounds good, made me double take myself, but when you look at the numbers I'm not sure it holds up.
Trading JVR for a top 4 Dman and then paying that $$ you would pay him to pay the top 4 Dman instead would be better cap management because Leafs have lots of kids up front to replace him and his offense.
Not a position of need? Have you not seen our LW? I get his age is not ideal and that is why a long deal might not make sense, but 3 years does if he will go for that.