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Justin Holl is a serviceable member of the Leafs blueline. He's a surprise find from the Marlies. Over the course of last season, he established himself, played quality minutes and formed a reliable paring with Muzzin in a shut down capacity. He's also a RHD and has big wing span which is rare on this team and in the league. His cap hit is also fine.

But for the sake of promoting a more defensively responsible and structured team, Holl should not be the player leading a two on one break or find himself rushing the puck up the ice or leading the attack and getting caught behind the opposition goal all in the same game like Game 2 vs Ottawa.

Those are privileges and responsibilities should be reserved for special defensemen, and he's clearly not that level of a player where he can create more offense than give up. So with so many other offensively capable players on the roster, I think Keefe needs to put strict limits on what he can do in a transition situation. Not that he can never join the attack, but basically never...
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I actually thought Holl was one of our best defencemen tonight. I know your post is more in general, but I was impressed.

5v5, he and Muzzin played quite well. I don’t see them as the problem right now.

Brodie and Rielly are not playing cerebral defence and haven’t been able to break out like I expected they would. I am not sold on this paring (yet).

I have a larger problem with our forwards not breaking hard on the back check. If Holl goes deep, someone needs to cover the right side and the middle.
 
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You're right, but so far this season the only two defensemen that have done well in their positions are Holl & Dermott so I don't want to speak too negatively about him.

Rielly & Brodie were brutal vs Ottawa.
Muzzin & Bogosian were brutal vs Montreal.

Dermott & Holl were both mediocre in game #1 & 2.
Holl is fine as our #2RD, but he would be better off on the 3rd pairing and focusing more on being a good defender like you said.
 
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Critical91 said:
I actually thought Holl was one of our best defencemen tonight. I know your post is more in general, but I was impressed.

5v5, he and Muzzin played quite well. I don’t see them as the problem right now.

Brodie and Rielly are not playing cerebral defence and haven’t been able to break out like I expected they would. I am not sold on this paring (yet).
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Rielly and Brodie were great against Montreal, outside of that one time Rielly got walked.

They were not great today, at least in the 2nd half of the game. Need to play more like the 1st half than the 2nd half of the game.
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
Rielly and Brodie were great against Montreal, outside of that one time Rielly got walked.

They were not great today, at least in the 2nd half of the game. Need to play more like the 1st half than the 2nd half of the game.
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I still have faith in both players. They could use some help from the forwards as well...
 
That's fair. There's an argument to be made that Holl has been the team's best defender in the two games thus far too though. That includes him leading the blueline in points. Now, as far as Holl potentially being the best d-man on a blueline with Rielly and Muzzin and Brodie goes...
 
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He needs Muzzin to be going at full speed to get the most put of him

I think he like a few other guys will be benefit once the guys start clicking for the season
 
A1LeafNation said:
Why single Holl out? No one on the defence has been good the past two games.
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No one was good but Muzzin, Reilly and others have more better days than bad days. When was the last time you can say Holl had a good game?

This is not 90s or 80s hockey anymore that your 5th and 6th could be a good goon and you are ok. Now it's expected everyone moves the puck out, carries and joins the rush.

Be honest, when can you honestly say he had a solid game compare to others? he looks better than himself once in a while but he's actually trash
 
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Holl is a steady 3rd pair right d. If he's in the top 4 though for long stretches its not going to work well. I like his game and would keep him for the 3rd pair on the right side. I think dermott and Reilly need to be considered for trade though. Need a more defensively responsible 1d.
 
This is a dumb and reactionary thread. Holl has been fairly steady for a while now, and he wasn't on the ice for any goals against tonight, he also had the lowest scoring chances against of anyone on the team.

The top pairing was absolute dookie in comparison.

What a strange fanbase this is honestly, crying about a steady #4D getting paid 2M/yr.
 
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1specter said:
This is a dumb and reactionary thread. Holl has been fairly steady for a while now, and he wasn't on the ice for any 5v5 goals against tonight, he also had the lowest scoring chances against of anyone on the team.

The top pairing was absolute dookie in comparison.

What a strange fanbase this is honestly, crying about a steady #4D getting paid 2M/yr.
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what's so strange ? keep falling for that corsi numbers

Just because he hasn't bee on ice for for a 5v5 goal doesn't mean he's not good. He's terribly at clearing the puck, he's terrible at rushing

The reason he's not on 5v5 is because he's not good enough for top match ups. He's not good enough for NHL. Simple as that

He could get paid 100 bucks per game, the fact is, he's taking ice time from someone else, he's taking a spot from another player.
 
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did you just call a 2 on 1 a low percentage scoring chance lmao
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There is something seriously wrong with the fans of this team when they're ganging up on one of the lower paid players on the team, who finished the game +1, registered 1A, wasn't on the ice for ANY goals against, had the lowest scoring chances against, lowest expected GA and played 21 solid minutes.
 
1specter said:
This is a dumb and reactionary thread. Holl has been fairly steady for a while now, and he wasn't on the ice for any 5v5 goals against tonight, he also had the lowest scoring chances against of anyone on the team.

The top pairing was absolute dookie in comparison.

What a strange fanbase this is honestly, crying about a steady #4D getting paid 2M/yr.
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the only thing that’s dookie is Muzzin’s D partner.
 
fahad203 said:
what's so strange ? keep falling for that corsi numbers

Just because he hasn't bee on ice for for a 5v5 goal doesn't mean he's not good. He's terribly at clearing the puck, he's terrible at rushing

The reason he's not on 5v5 is because he's not good enough for top match ups. He's not good enough for NHL. Simple as that

He could get paid 100 bucks per game, the fact is, he's taking ice time from someone else, he's taking a spot from another player.
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I'm not even using corsi buddy. Scoring chances, goals against etc were all in his favour tonight. He wasn't on the ice for a single goal against and he played the 4th most minutes on the team and 3rd most 5v5 minutes.

What you're saying isn't even making sense, why the hell would he play that much if he couldn't be trusted? What an idiotic argument
 
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1specter said:
I'm not even using corsi buddy. Scoring chances, goals against etc were all in his favour tonight. He wasn't on the ice for a single goal against and he played the 4th most minutes on the team and 3rd most 5v5 minutes.

What you're saying isn't even making sense, why the hell would he play that much if he couldn't be trusted? What an idiotic argument
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Yes, he was trusted, hence we lost. There are trusts on these types of players. Players that Keefe is in love with
Remember him against Columbus, he was trash then, he's trash now. He can't make simple plays. Only thing he does right is shoot right
 
fahad203 said:
Yes, he was trusted, hence we lost. There are trusts on these types of players. Players that Keefe is in love with
Remember him against Columbus, he was trash then, he's trash now. He can't make simple plays. Only thing he does right is shoot right
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So we lost because he played more minutes and didn't get scored on at all during those minutes.

Seems legit. I'm out, y'all are angry and drunk
 
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kerk said:
did you just call a 2 on 1 a low percentage scoring chance lmao
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It is when Justin Holl is attempting it...

Again, a guy who is not gifted offensively shouldn't have a long leash to roam around freely on the ice like he's the second coming of Bobby Orr.
 
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