Value of: Justin Holl next contract

[HockeyVirus]

I get he is unpopular to a lot of people, but if folks think their team wouldn't sign him I think they should reconsider.

A right shot dman, he played 21:04, 20:12, and 20:14 ATOI a game the past 3 seasons so solidly a top 4 dman by that metric. He is a very strong penalty killer, and was played on the teams shutdown pairing those seasons. Despite the heavy defensive minutes and lack of PP time, he still managed to to produce roughly 20 points or more a season.

Given these criteria as well as the context of the RD market in free agency, I think he checks a lot of boxes for several teams as the best option for someone to compliment your defensive pairing and PK on the right side.

I think he has positioned himself for a raise and some term. Is it unreasonable to expect Holl to get 4-5 years of term with a 3-4M cap hit? I don't believe so. I think the following teams make some sense for that contract.

Ducks
Blue Jackets
Sharks
Senators
Pens (Holl was always a Dubas favorite)
Coyotes
Capitals
Blackhawks

Some teams have more cap than others, but I believe all of these teams would improve their bluelines with Holl. Thoughts on a potential landing spot and his value?

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[Viqsi]

I get he is unpopular to a lot of people, but if folks think their team wouldn't sign him I think they should reconsider.

A right shot dman, he played 21:04, 20:12, and 20:14 ATOI a game the past 3 seasons so solidly a top 4 dman by that metric. He is a very strong penalty killer, and was played on the teams shutdown pairing those seasons. Despite the heavy defensive minutes and lack of PP time, he still managed to to produce roughly 20 points or more a season.

Given these criteria as well as the context of the RD market in free agency, I think he checks a lot of boxes for several teams as the best option for someone to compliment your defensive pairing and PK on the right side.

I think he has positioned himself for a raise and some term. Is it unreasonable to expect Holl to get 4-5 years of term with a 3-4M cap hit? I don't believe so. I think the following teams make some sense for that contract.

Ducks
Blue Jackets
Sharks
Senators
Pens (Holl was always a Dubas favorite)
Coyotes
Capitals
Blackhawks

Some teams have more cap than others, but I believe all of these teams would improve their bluelines with Holl. Thoughts on a potential landing spot and his value?

The Jackets have six RD, not counting Jiricek. Take us off that "make sense" list.

 

[HockeyVirus]

The Jackets have six RD, not counting Jiricek. Take us off that "make sense" list.

I am aware of that but I think Holl fits a mold that you guys don't have.

But on reflection, Babcock HATED Holl and refused to play him so I agree CBJ is unlikely.

 

[Viqsi]

I am aware of that but I think Holl fits a mold that you guys don't have.

Peeke.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I am aware of that but I think Holl fits a mold that you guys don't have.

But on reflection, Babcock HATED Holl and refused to play him so I agree CBJ is unlikely.

Babcock was right.

 

[Dog]

He will be priced out of Toronto along with Bunting. Not big loss for leafs.

 

[EK392000]

He'd be a good bottom pairing guy. He will make mistakes like all bottom pairing defencemen. He got a bad reputation in Toronto because we overplayed him and so the weaknesses that are typical of bottom pairing defencemen became even more accentuated. Regardless, he's probably one of the better bottom pairing guys in the league, if that means anything. If he's in your top 4, you might be in trouble.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Meh. I would rather have Erik Johnson for 1.5M.

 

[themelkman]

The sharks could sign him if it’s like a 2/3 year deal

 

[mydnyte]

he will likely be overpaid because of analytics ...he has a few good games, and then brain farts for tap in goals. will be loved by new team in pre-season, and hated by game 15

 

[Jozay]

3x3

 

[57special]

He'd be a good bottom pairing guy. He will make mistakes like all bottom pairing defencemen. He got a bad reputation in Toronto because we overplayed him and so the weaknesses that are typical of bottom pairing defencemen became even more accentuated. Regardless, he's probably one of the better bottom pairing guys in the league, if that means anything. If he's in your top 4, you might be in trouble.

Stop being reasonable! He's either a top pairing Dman, or one of the worst players in the league!

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

He's a 3rd pairing guy at the most. If anyone offers a long term contract, they'll probably regret it. A rebuilding team with lots of cap might be tempted to pay him $2m-$3m short term

 

[BonMorrison]

Dallas will sign him and he'll be put next to Heiskanen and it will be terrible.

 

[Matthews4Calder]

As long as it's not with the Leafs I'm happy.

 

[cwede]

$7M for 3 years.
He's decent, but easily replaceable
But, as always, it only takes 1 GM to overpay,
as w AA this week,
Severson today

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

As a ducks fan, no thank you.

He’s genuinely one of the most mistake prone players I’ve ever seen play the game. He’s like the real life version of “teal” in NHL23 drop ins.

 

[Vitto79]

1x2 million
Leafs fans hate him but someone will give him a shot

 

[biturbo19]

He's a genuinely tough one to even project. I could see it going in a lot of different directions. Part of it really depends on what Holl's priorities are. Does he just want to try to shoot for some long-term security? Maximize $$$? Does he want to go somewhere that he can play a depth role for a playoff team?


If i absolutely had to guess...i'd wager it'll be something similar to his last contract. 3 Years x $2M. But i wouldn't rule out some team getting wild if they're left without a chair when the music stops with other RHD options. I don't think he'll be most teams top priority...but if other preferred choices don't work out, he's a guy who has shown he can at least sorta play that #4/5RHD swing role, up to 20 minutes a night. There are only so many guys out there who can even stretch to that claim.

 

[Ace]

I get he is unpopular to a lot of people, but if folks think their team wouldn't sign him I think they should reconsider.

A right shot dman, he played 21:04, 20:12, and 20:14 ATOI a game the past 3 seasons so solidly a top 4 dman by that metric. He is a very strong penalty killer, and was played on the teams shutdown pairing those seasons. Despite the heavy defensive minutes and lack of PP time, he still managed to to produce roughly 20 points or more a season.

Given these criteria as well as the context of the RD market in free agency, I think he checks a lot of boxes for several teams as the best option for someone to compliment your defensive pairing and PK on the right side.

I think he has positioned himself for a raise and some term. Is it unreasonable to expect Holl to get 4-5 years of term with a 3-4M cap hit? I don't believe so. I think the following teams make some sense for that contract.

Ducks
Blue Jackets
Sharks
Senators
Pens (Holl was always a Dubas favorite)
Coyotes
Capitals
Blackhawks

Some teams have more cap than others, but I believe all of these teams would improve their bluelines with Holl. Thoughts on a potential landing spot and his value?

I don’t want him at all but I do find it hilarious that Buffalo didn’t make your list of teams in desperate need of a rhd who you think is a top 4 who kills penalties and has a mountain of cap space.

 

[Menzinger]

3.5x 3 or 4 years

Rhd are always in demand

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Are we talking about the guy that was on the ice for like 90percent of goals against in the playoffs?

Why would anyone pay 3m a year for a 7th

He's gonna come up cheap or end up in Arizona or Chicago for salary purposes

 

[TribalPhoenix]

Are we talking about the guy that was on the ice for like 90percent of goals against in the playoffs?

Why would anyone pay 3m a year for a 7th

He's gonna come up cheap or end up in Arizona or Chicago for salary purposes

I think this is the most accurate and salient post to date.

He will be a guy who goes late because teams will be smart to stay away from him early. He will be a consolation prize who will be lucky to match his last contract.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Play him in a bottom pairing role with some PK and he’s serviceable.

I think he’ll get just shy of $3M per somewhere. Maybe Pens, Dubas loved him.

 

[Brett44]

Meh. I would rather have Erik Johnson for 1.5M.

No Holl is a very underated dmen. Big and mobile he is a perfect fit with Girard or Byram. He can be the same level as Manson (healthy)