Luke DeCock: Justin Faulk Speculation

[sheriff bart]

traed faulk

Just kill him at this point

 

[GoldiFox]

If the Ducks deal falls apart (I'm actually still hopeful about it considering that I view September 15th as the crucial date as far as extensions are concerned), I see Dallas as being a good potential trade partner. Once they put Hanzal on LTIR, they'll have enough space to fit in Faulk and potentially extend him. I've always been high on Faksa (particularly on defense) and I think he'd be a solid fit for the 200-feet system that Brindy and the Borg emphasizes. I also think a Faulk swap with Dallas could allow us to take a low-risk swing on Honka, which I would gladly be in favor of.

I saw on another board that the Sept 15 deadline is pushed to tomorrow due to Sunday.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Just trade Faulk for an NHL forward already. I was excited when the credible Kase speculation was new. Now? Not so much. "Do something!"

"Hurricanes trade Faulk to Edmonton for Poolparty"

 

[Lempo]

I saw on another board that the Sept 15 deadline is pushed to tomorrow due to Sunday.

Alas, 'tis so:

 

[Ole Gil]

If the Ducks deal falls apart (I'm actually still hopeful about it considering that I view September 15th as the crucial date as far as extensions are concerned), I see Dallas as being a good potential trade partner. Once they put Hanzal on LTIR, they'll have enough space to fit in Faulk and potentially extend him. I've always been high on Faksa (particularly on defense) and I think he'd be a solid fit for the 200-feet system that Brindy and the Borg emphasizes. I also think a Faulk swap with Dallas could allow us to take a low-risk swing on Honka, which I would gladly be in favor of.

Faksa is a 30pt center. Honka is nothing.

Faulk is a guy who was playing a rock solid 25+ a night in the playoffs.

I get the Kase deal. A young potential 25+ goal scorer. But that should be the bar that needs to be cleared. If it's less, the Canes are better as is. Try to win the cup. Faulk for Faksa and Honka doesn't seem like a move in that direction.

 

[MinJaBen]

Alas, 'tis so:

That’s hilarious. Like they had no idea when they set that date whether or not the date would fall on a Sunday, so they built in a clause “just in case.”

 

[geehaad]

Like they had no idea when they set that date whether or not the date would fall on a Sunday, so they built in a clause “just in case.”

In the X-number of years that have led to this point, they couldn’t simply make their decision on the last business day prior to the deadline. Lawyers are such a coddled bunch.

 

[Lempo]

That’s hilarious. Like they had no idea when they set that date whether or not the date would fall on a Sunday, so they built in a clause “just in case.”

To be fair, the paragraph in question concerns all the deadlines in the CBA, and there are quite many of them:

31.3 Time Periods. Unless expressly stated to the contrary, the specification of any time period in this Agreement shall include any non-business days within such period, except that any deadline falling on a Saturday, Sunday, or Federal, Provincial or Civil Holiday shall be deemed to fall on the following business day.

But at the same time, you would expect that they would have specifically checked and, if need be, noted it on those very few dates that are crucial to the CBA itself actually being in effect.

 

[GoldiFox]

That’s hilarious. Like they had no idea when they set that date whether or not the date would fall on a Sunday, so they built in a clause “just in case.”

How much lawyer time was spent writing weird day contingencies into the CBA when they could have just used... A calendar?

"And so be it if September 15th falls on Christmas OR New Year's day that the deadline will be extended until all parties has finished eating all remaining leftovers and/or recovered from all hangovers."

 

[geehaad]

How much lawyer time was spent writing weird day contingencies into the CBA when they could have just used... A calendar?

"And so be it if September 15th falls on Christmas OR New Year's day that the deadline will be extended until all parties has finished eating all remaining leftovers and/or recovered from all hangovers."

I mean...!

 

[Lempo]

The fun thing is that NHL actually would have grounds to argue that NHLPA didn't terminate the CBA in time, as the deadline of September 15, 2019 is a specific one-time date and its falling on Sunday was 100 percent clear matter when the date was set.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

The fun thing is that NHL actually would have grounds to argue that NHLPA didn't terminate the CBA in time, as the deadline of September 15, 2019 is a specific one-time date and its falling on Sunday was 100 percent clear matter when the date was set.

Which says to me they've elected not to terminate it and they're announcing that tomorrow.

 

[Lempo]

Which says to me they've elected not to terminate it and they're announcing that tomorrow.

... or the parties have mutually clarified that the deadline shall by CBA 31.3 move to the next business day. If NHLPA choose to terminate it, the projected implications of it will be clear enough and the bigwigs at both parties will have a full day at work courtesy of it.

There will also be developments in the RFA deadlock, as the lockout season gets clarified.

 

[Stickpucker]

I didn't say you were too attached in a positive way.

In a sexual way, then?

 

[Hinterland]

Faksa is a 30pt center. Honka is nothing.

Faulk is a guy who was playing a rock solid 25+ a night in the playoffs.

I get the Kase deal. A young potential 25+ goal scorer. But that should be the bar that needs to be cleared. If it's less, the Canes are better as is. Try to win the cup. Faulk for Faksa and Honka doesn't seem like a move in that direction.

Faksa could easily score 20 goals and 40-50 points in a different role and with more talent around him. He was mostly used as a shutdown Center receiving lots of defensive zone starts with bad linemates. I do agree with you that Honka is nothing though. Undersized defenseman who sucked in just about every NHL game he played. Was sent to AHL Texas to gain confidence last season but got figured out even at AHL level instead. Since he's 23 already, I wouldn't give up anything of significance for him just because he once went 14th overall. Could still work out of course but has bust written all over him.

 

[Canes]

Just kill him at this point

 

[MinJaBen]

Faksa could easily score 20 goals and 40-50 points in a different role and with more talent around him. He was mostly used as a shutdown Center receiving lots of defensive zone starts with bad linemates. I do agree with you that Honka is nothing though. Undersized defenseman who sucked in just about every NHL game he played. Was sent to AHL Texas to gain confidence last season but got figured out even at AHL level instead. Since he's 23 already, I wouldn't give up anything of significance for him just because he once went 14th overall. Could still work out of course but has bust written all over him.

Ok, so who do you replace with him out of this list?

Niederreiter Aho Dzingel
Svechnikov Staal Teravainen
Foegele Haula Necas
McGinn Wallmark Martinook​

I don't see anyone on that lineup over which I'd definitely put Faksa, and none where he would get a different role. Just doesn't seem worth trading for at this time for our team.

 

[Hinterland]

Ok, so who do you replace with him out of this list?

Niederreiter Aho Dzingel
Svechnikov Staal Teravainen
Foegele Haula Necas
McGinn Wallmark Martinook​

I don't see anyone on that lineup over which I'd definitely put Faksa, and none where he would get a different role. Just doesn't seem worth trading for at this time for our team.

I agree with you that it wouldn't make sense to trade for Faksa but he'd definitely be an upgrade over Haula and Wallmark. He's not as fast as Haula and not as creative as Wallmark but he's got a much better skillset and much better size. They're both good defensively but they can't shut down top Centers like Faksa can.

 

[Helsinki Hurricanes]

I agree with you that it wouldn't make sense to trade for Faksa but he'd definitely be an upgrade over Haula and Wallmark. He's not as fast as Haula and not as creative as Wallmark but he's got a much better skillset and much better size. They're both good defensively but they can't shut down top Centers like Faksa can.

Minnesota Haula and Faksa are quite similar in points and also in usage. When you take into account Vegas Hauls there's no comparison.

Faksa would be an upgrade over Wallmark but in terms of assets it makes no sense to use Faulk to upgrade 4C. Kase would be a solid return but if it's not available even picks would be a better return unless Faksa is just an add-on in the deal.

EDIT: Went through Faksa's comparables and Martinook was one of the most similar players with comparable score of 89%. Again, fine player but there's no room for him when even Marty might have to rotate. Again, fine player but not worth it if the cost is Faulk.

 

[Chrispy]

Just kill him at this point

No wonder Faulk's trade market sucks. If we keep killing him eventually teams will assume he's dead.

 

[Hinterland]

Minnesota Hauls and Faksa are quite similar in points and also in usage. When you take into account Vegas Hauls there's no comparison.

Faksa would be an upgrade over Wallmark but in terms of assets it makes no sense to use Faulk to upgrade 4C. Kase would be a solid return but if it's not available even picks would be a better return unless Faksa is just an add-on in the deal.

Fake news. Mike Yeo used Haula in a defensive role but after he got fired that changed. In Vegas, Haula received lots offensive zone starts with good linemates, too while Faksa is amongst the players with the most defensive zone starts over the years. He also starts many of his shifts against top competition...something Haula never really faced.

 

[Helsinki Hurricanes]

Fake news. Mike Yeo used Haula in a defensive role but after he got fired that changed. In Vegas, Haula received lots offensive zone starts with good linemates, too while Faksa is amongst the players with the most defensive zone starts over the years. He also starts many of his shifts against top competition...something Haula never really faced.

Fake news is quite harsh thing to say. I remember Haula was used defensively in the Wild during Yeo's era, no idea about later usage.

You are projecting 40-50 points for Faksa based on having different usage/better linemates. I personally believe Faksa is what he is. A 30-40 point defensive shutdown center. That is also what Stars hfboards expects out of him for this season. There's a reason Hintz has leapfrogged over him in Dallas's depth chart, as Faksa has been given plenty of opportunities in the 2nd line.

Lastly, I did some digging around and searched for WAR scores for Haula, Wallmark and Faksa for 2017-2019. Used WAR/82 since Haula was injured for most of last season.

Wallmark 1.18
Haula 1.12 (his first VGK season funnily drops this stat quite much)
Faksa 0.58

I'm not an expert and I haven't followed Dallas games. However, when looking at Stars fans' opinions, scoresheet and advanced stats one can conclude Faksa wouldn't be much of an improvement over any of Carolina's centers. Especially when his role of shutting down opponent's top lines is taken care by Jordan Staal.

Case closed, move on.

 

[Canes]

Pretty sure Splinterbrains is just arguing for the sake of it. You could start arguing for Faksa and he would start arguing against him immediately.

 

[Roboturner913]

No wonder Faulk's trade market sucks. If we keep killing him eventually teams will assume he's dead.

 

[Hinterland]

Fake news is quite harsh thing to say. I remember Haula was used defensively in the Wild during Yeo's era, no idea about later usage.

You are projecting 40-50 points for Faksa based on having different usage/better linemates. I personally believe Faksa is what he is. A 30-40 point defensive shutdown center. That is also what Stars hfboards expects out of him for this season. There's a reason Hintz has leapfrogged over him in Dallas's depth chart, as Faksa has been given plenty of opportunities in the 2nd line.

Lastly, I did some digging around and searched for WAR scores for Haula, Wallmark and Faksa for 2017-2019. Used WAR/82 since Haula was injured for most of last season.

Wallmark 1.18
Haula 1.12 (his first VGK season funnily drops this stat quite much)
Faksa 0.58

I'm not an expert and I haven't followed Dallas games. However, when looking at Stars fans' opinions, scoresheet and advanced stats one can conclude Faksa wouldn't be much of an improvement over any of Carolina's centers. Especially when his role of shutting down opponent's top lines is taken care by Jordan Staal.

Case closed, move on.

Stars hfboards is almost dead...even if that's what they think, it would mean absolutely nothing.
Faksa has been streaky throughout his whole career and it's really down to usage. If given more opportunities than just defensive zone starts against top competition alongside boarderline NHLers or even AHLers, he mostly produced more offense. He just didn't get those opportunitirs on a consistent basis so it's unfair of you to say that he couldn't do it.

I like Hintz as well but he's used in an offensive role and played alongside all of their top players already.

Again, I agree that the Canes shouldn't go after Faksa but he'd be an upgrade over both Haula and Wallmark and it's unfair to say that he cannot score more when he never received the opportunity to do it. I can't see why he couldn't do more offensively if given a chance.