Rumor: Just Kidding! Pettersson and JT Miller Trade Reunion!

[DFC]

I don't think it's a message to the players.

I think it's a message to the fans. They want it in the media that the market for the players are bad, so that the fans have time to process it before it happens.

This thing has dragged on, and they lose one of their top trade partners last week. I think that they probably realize that the market isn't getting any better, and it's time to accept what is out there.



Hoffman and Karlsson? Although, it didn't drag out like this one.

Ottawa got pennies on the dollar for Hoffman, back when scoring was lower and 30 goals actually meant something. They traded him for Boedker and then San Jose flipped him for a 2nd.

That isn't me saying Hoffman is anywhere near either Pettersson or Miller in prominence, but it is a case where a public feud between two star players led to the team having to sell one off from a major position of weakness.

That's a good comparison. That one was really ugly on the girlfriend/wife side, and so convoluted that I don't know if the truth ever did come out.

This is a weird one. Nobody's real sure what the issue is, it seems, but there's no solving it.

Does Miller just rub people the wrong way? I know when he was traded to TB it felt like NY was just dumping him to get him off the team.

 

[Canucks LB]

Yes, it absolutely does. There is absolutely no doubt or plausible deniability left now. There is literally no option for Vancouver but to trade these players now. They can't hold out for a better deal, because Rutherford just admitted that they won't ever resolve the issue. So if you don't trade them now, the Canucks keep sucking, it just means you have to trade them later, when Pettersson's NMC kicks in, and Miller continues to age and perhaps his play drops off a bit. Going out and admitting that there is no solution to the problem other than a trade absolutely tanks both these players' values and it is plain cope if you think otherwise.

It was already known they have to trade 1 if not both, nothing has changed.
How dumb do you think these GM's are?

 

[RedHawkDown]

It was already known they have to trade 1 if not both, nothing has changed.
How dumb do you think these GM's are?

Just 2 weeks ago this board was full of Canucks fans saying that it's just Vancouver media blowing s*** out of proportion, and there's likely not to much to see here. If you can't see how the president of a team coming out and giving this kind of interview impacts value, there's no discussion to be had. I'm pretty sure if you made a poll fans of literally every other team would agree with me.

 

[toddkaz]

From all I have read it does sound like JT Miller will go and Pettersson will stay.

I am sure Tocchet would rather have Miller but it does sound like Miller wants to go to the Rangers

 

[Canucks LB]

Just 2 weeks ago this board was full of Canucks fans saying that it's just Vancouver media blowing s*** out of proportion, and there's likely not to much to see here. If you can't see how the president of a team coming out and giving this kind of interview impacts value, there's no discussion to be had. I'm pretty sure if you made a poll fans of literally every other team would agree with me.

Exactly and the same media is taking shots at other local media at flaming the fires.
And on top of that, media is not calling out fans for all this shit also, its wild man.

This interview does nothing for trade value, were gonna get killed regardless.

Feel free to listen to the same time I am thinking.

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Listen from 7 Minutes to around 15 min, he goes over my exact thoughts.

 

[Quinning]

I think they're both getting dealt. Pettersson now and Miller in the offseason

 

[Siludin]

Yes, it absolutely does. There is absolutely no doubt or plausible deniability left now. There is literally no option for Vancouver but to trade these players now. They can't hold out for a better deal, because Rutherford just admitted that they won't ever resolve the issue. So if you don't trade them now, the Canucks keep sucking, it just means you have to trade them later, when Pettersson's NMC kicks in, and Miller continues to age and perhaps his play drops off a bit. Going out and admitting that there is no solution to the problem other than a trade absolutely tanks both these players' values and it is plain cope if you think otherwise.

Colorado went through years of contract drama with Ryan O'Reilly and consequently held out for a whole year to trade Duchene when he demanded to be moved.
The Canucks don't have to do squat if the deal's poor.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Colorado went through years of contract drama with Ryan O'Reilly and consequently held out for a whole year to trade Duchene when he demanded to be moved.
The Canucks don't have to do squat if the deal's poor.

Contract drama is completely different. Rutherford just said the whole team sucks because of this. This is an unprecedented situation lol

 

[tfwnogf]

I hope they pull an m night schamalayan and trade Hughes to NJ

 

[Satanphonehome]

Rutherford gave such a brutal interview. Whatever either of these guys is traded for, it's going to be a bad return. He essentially just publicly admitted that their backs are completely against the wall. If they don't trade them and do nothing, the ship just goes down in flames more than it already is, and then they'll eventually have to trade them anyways. This is such a nightmare situation for Vancouver.

Feel for VAN fans. Kind of insane that these 2 million dollar athletes can't sort out whatever interpersonal quarrel they have.

Feels like he already has a pretty good sense of what he can do and this is just softening the fan base up before he decides which offer to pull the trigger on.

 

[Quinning]

Contract drama is completely different. Rutherford just said the whole team sucks because of this. This is an unprecedented situation lol

Nah, this is what happened to the Senators after they made the ECF. Looked like a team that could contend for years and then personal issues derailed everything.

 

[Canovin]

Both needs to be traded. Nucks missed out on Petterson for Necas.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Yes, it absolutely does. There is absolutely no doubt or plausible deniability left now. There is literally no option for Vancouver but to trade these players now. They can't hold out for a better deal, because Rutherford just admitted that they won't ever resolve the issue. So if you don't trade them now, the Canucks keep sucking, it just means you have to trade them later, when Pettersson's NMC kicks in, and Miller continues to age and perhaps his play drops off a bit. Going out and admitting that there is no solution to the problem other than a trade absolutely tanks both these players' values and it is plain cope if you think otherwise.

Not really. It's already been widely reported a fair number of teams have called about Pettersson. Which is why he's even on the table in the first place because of the lackluster Miller returns. All it takes is a bidding war. We're only trading Pettersson for a good return. If both are lackluster, we keep him and move Miller.

If they are so poor that trading either would basically be for nothing. Well, the two of them can go to couple therapy because they've got the next five years together. If we're going to suck anyway, they'll suck with us.

 

[Quinning]

Both needs to be traded. Nucks missed out on Petterson for Necas.

Miller would just start abusing Necas.

 

[Canovin]

Miller would just start abusing Necas.

He would be traded

 

[Brookbank]

Rutherfraud should be fired. Bring Burke in to babysit Alvin

 

[Satanphonehome]

Short-term, Miller is the better fit for what Tocchet is trying to do.
Long-term EP is the far more valuable piece.
Trade return on Miller (especially with the NMC) is going to be a lot less than on EP.

Canucks probably need to make a move soon to make the playoffs, how much of a priority is that?
I’m betting Rutherford knows what he can get for either and has decided he has to move one.
It’s just a matter of which way he goes.

 

[oceanchild]

Crazy to me Jim would come out and say these sort of comments. How does this do anything but lower their value if you are basically saying "we need to trade one of them".

He is trying to make bidders get FOMO

 

[JKG33]

I think they're both getting dealt. Pettersson now and Miller in the offseason

This but the opposite. No contending team is looking at EP's current play and his cap hit and thinking that's a valuable asset come playoff time. But at the draft just before his NMC kicks in and teams have cap space I could see it.

Meanwhile Miller would basically guarantee any of Vegas/Dallas/Colorado/Florida the cup. And he could save the job of a lesser team's GM. Plus he outperforms his cap hit which is always valuable around the deadline

Short-term, Miller is the better fit for what Tocchet is trying to do.
Long-term EP is the far more valuable piece.
Trade return on Miller (especially with the NMC) is going to be a lot less than on EP.

Canucks probably need to make a move soon to make the playoffs, how much of a priority is that?
I’m betting Rutherford knows what he can get for either and has decided he has to move one.
It’s just a matter of which way he goes.

Is EP really the better long term fit? Because right now, EP is exactly what everyone thinks Miller will be in a few years.. overpaid. Yet he hasn't shown much to indicate he'll suddenly give a shit again and ever not be overpaid

 

[Brookbank]

Would Boston do Miller for Lindholm with retention ?

 

[EP to EP back to EP]

I hope they pull an m night schamalayan and trade Hughes to NJ

Hughes to NJ starts with Hischier and Nemec and then there's a +++

 

[Brookbank]

This but the opposite. No contending team is looking at EP's current play and his cap hit and thinking that's a valuable asset come playoff time. But at the draft just before his NMC kicks in and teams have cap space I could see it.

Meanwhile Miller would basically guarantee any of Vegas/Dallas/Colorado/Florida the cup. And he could save the job of a lesser team's GM. Plus he outperforms his cap hit which is always valuable around the deadline


Is EP really the better long term fit? Because right now, EP is exactly what everyone thinks Miller will be in a few years.. overpaid. Yet he hasn't shown much to indicate he'll suddenly give a shit again and ever not be overpaid

Petterson's game turned around after Miller left. He's 6th in the entire league in blocked shots right now. Miller is nowhere to be seen.

The rest of the league always does this when Petterson slumps. They are completely oblivious to how good Petterson is. He won the Calder ffs

 

[Satanphonehome]

The rest of the league always does this when Petterson slumps. They are completely oblivious to how good Petterson is. He won the Calder ffs

That’s right. Same with Tyler Myers.
Stupid HFBoards.

 

[JKG33]

Petterson's game turned around after Miller left. He's 6th in the entire league in blocked shots right now. Miller is nowhere to be seen.

The rest of the league always does this when Petterson slumps. They are completely oblivious to how good Petterson is. He won the Calder ffs

It's always a red carpet of excuses for EP. I seem to recall before his bloated extension was signed, the reason he sucked was because he was stressed about not having a contract. Now it's because Miller is a big meanie. Once Miller is traded what then? Tochet is a meanie? There's no good players for him to play with once Hughes asks for a trade?

You call it a slump, but considering he's in his 7th season and only one season was he ever worth what his current cap hit is.. yea that's the outlier

 

[Brookbank]

It's always a red carpet of excuses for EP. I seem to recall before his bloated extension was signed, the reason he sucked was because he was stressed about not having a contract. Now it's because Miller is a big meanie. Once Miller is traded what then? Tochet is a meanie? There's no good players for him to play with once Hughes asks for a trade?

You call it a slump, but considering he's in his 7th season and only one season was he ever worth what his current cap hit is.. yea that's the outlier

Evidently judging by Rutherfords interview, this has been about the tension with Miller all along. And I already said, Petterson did start scoring and playing better when Miller took his leave of absents for his"mental reset"

As far as Pettersons cap hit goes, he's a career PPG center. Ppl said the same sh** about Jack Eichel and his issues.