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aufheben said:
Yep. I don't understand why people rage on him so hard. The entire team is playing like it's Pro Beach Hockey.
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Boyle has not been fine this season. He cannot handle the puck at all and is killing them in transition. Boyle was passable in the previous regime, he should be moved for the better of the team.

This is not anti-Boyle so much as it is the fact that he does not fit what the team is trying to do going forward.
 
Savant said:
Boyle has not been fine this season. He cannot handle the puck at all and is killing them in transition. Boyle was passable in the previous regime, he should be moved for the better of the team.

This is not anti-Boyle so much as it is the fact that he does not fit what the team is trying to do going forward.
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This. He might have the worst puck skills on the team and that is a major statement with this bunch.
 
And, if you want to complete your argument against keeping Boyle, would you not also have to look at the others who do not score, or possess 'puck skills'?
It's just Boyle?

Dorsett, Pyatt, D. Moore showed so much better, I assume.
 
Savant said:
Boyle has not been fine this season. He cannot handle the puck at all and is killing them in transition. Boyle was passable in the previous regime, he should be moved for the better of the team.

This is not anti-Boyle so much as it is the fact that he does not fit what the team is trying to do going forward.
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None of them can handle the puck. This is my point, that people single out Boyle, and this is not something new, as if the rest of the team is candy canes and choo-choo-trains.

I don't necessarily disagree that eventually he might not be right for AV, but right now....meh. If people are pointing out every single mistake a bottom-6 player makes, your team has much bigger problems than said bottom-6'er. Boyle's not even the worst player in our bottom-6, he's not even close to the worst.
 
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trilobyte said:
And, if you want to complete your argument against keeping Boyle, would you not also have to look at the others who do not score, or possess 'puck skills'?
It's just Boyle?
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Gladly.

Boyle's lack of puck skills moreso than his lack of scoring is the issue. Torts primarily used Boyle is a defense role. In this system, it is requisite to have some offensive/puck handling acumen. Torts could hide Boyle's weaknesses and made him serviceable as a result.

Again this comes down to coaching. What is the use of having a gut like Fast on the roster if his center cannot provide him service with the puck? In theory AV forwards in this system need to be able to be strong transitionally. Boyle cannot provide what is necessary in this retrospect. Any breaks through the neutral zone simply die when the puck touches his stick.

Boyle can be effective in a defensive first role, but it seems the D. Moore/Dorsett line is getting those minutes and Boyle is being used more offensively which is oil and water compared to what he offers to a team. Boyle could certainly help a couple of teams in this league but this is not one of them.

This is the Boyle thread so I will not clog it talking about other players. But I will say as a whole the team has been horrific in the neutral zone. However Players like Stepan, Richards and Brassard can carry the puck. Boyle cannot. There was not room on this team for Boyle and Moore and hopefully this is rectified.
 
Savant said:
Gladly.

Boyle's lack of puck skills moreso than his lack of scoring is the issue. Torts primarily used Boyle is a defense role. In this system, it is requisite to have some offensive/puck handling acumen. Torts could hide Boyle's weaknesses and made him serviceable as a result.

Again this comes down to coaching. What is the use of having a gut like Fast on the roster if his center cannot provide him service with the puck? In theory AV forwards in this system need to be able to be strong transitionally. Boyle cannot provide what is necessary in this retrospect. Any breaks through the neutral zone simply die when the puck touches his stick.

Boyle can be effective in a defensive first role, but it seems the D. Moore/Dorsett line is getting those minutes and Boyle is being used more offensively which is oil and water compared to what he offers to a team. Boyle could certainly help a couple of teams in this league but this is not one of them.

This is the Boyle thread so I will not clog it talking about other players. But I will say as a whole the team has been horrific in the neutral zone. However Players like Stepan, Richards and Brassard can carry the puck. Boyle cannot. There was not room on this team for Boyle and Moore and hopefully this is rectified.
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Oh boy.

G'night.
 
Both Boyle and Pyatt are getting top 6 minutes at ES and it's definitely a problem. Hopefully they play less when Hags and Nash return but there are some real roster construction issues with this team.
 
OverTheCap said:
Both Boyle and Pyatt are getting top 6 minutes at ES and it's definitely a problem. Hopefully they play less when Hags and Nash return but there are some real roster construction issues with this team.
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I agree with this. I don't think either player have value to the Rangers after the trade deadline and this should be addressed. There are too many square pegs in round holes.
 
Savant - I think you are ignoring my earlier post. Brian Boyle should not be expected to score a bunch of goals.
Do you think that I expect he can, and should, do so? Of course, i do not.
Stop grandstanding.

Don't paint him as the villain here. He is a better bottom six player than anyone else like Dorsett, Pyatt, D. Moore (yep, that old chestnut is not quite doing all that much, regardless of all the love showered down on him).

It is indeed a team construction problem. I agree with that. I do not agree that Boyle sucks. Quite the opposite.
 
It's not the lack of goals from Boyle that's the problem. It's the inability to handle passes and being very weak on the puck. This combined with him getting played way more often than he should (obviously not his fault) causes lots of issues.
 
SA16 said:
It's not the lack of goals from Boyle that's the problem. It's the inability to handle passes and being very weak on the puck. This combined with him getting played way more often than he should (obviously not his fault) causes lots of issues.
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Again, who on the bottom two lines is better?
Please, this is my question.
Just answer it.

And who is better defensively than Boyle?
Not one other player on the bottom six is better defensively than Brian Boyle.
 
trilobyte said:
Savant - I think you are ignoring my earlier post. Brian Boyle should not be expected to score a bunch of goals.
Do you think that I expect he can, and should, do so? Of course, i do not.
Stop grandstanding.

Don't paint him as the villain here. He is a better bottom six player than anyone else like Dorsett, Pyatt, D. Moore (yep, that old chestnut is not quite doing all that much, regardless of all the love showered down on him).

It is indeed a team construction problem. I agree with that. I do not agree that Boyle sucks. Quite the opposite.
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I can take that. I don't think Boyle sucks but I think he is a misfit going forward. Boyle can help a team but he has some glaring weaknesses. Torts got the best out of him because he was able to play Boyle to his strengths. I do not think AV is playing Boyle to his strengths and its showing up on the ice.

I don't think Boyle is why they lost tonight but there were three or four breakouts that literally were stopped in their tracks because Boyle could not handle the puck. I think AV is asking too much off Boyle offensively and it is hurting him. I do not expect Boyle to score a lot of goals, but he was not able to handle the puck or make competent passes tonight as a result. This hurt the team's already anemic offense. No one on the team should be lauded for their defensive work, they do not know how to set up unless they forecheck. The team needs to improve in the neutral zone. This is not Boyle's forte.
 
Like everyone said, what do you expect from a 4th line center.

6 goals/5 assists in the past two playoff seasons for a 4th line center that pks....i'll take it.
 
Savant said:
I can take that. I don't think Boyle sucks but I think he is a misfit going forward. Boyle can help a team but he has some glaring weaknesses. Torts got the best out of him because he was able to play Boyle to his strengths. I do not think AV is playing Boyle to his strengths and its showing up on the ice.

I don't think Boyle is why they lost tonight but there were three or four breakouts that literally were stopped in their tracks because Boyle could not handle the puck. I think AV is asking too much off Boyle offensively and it is hurting him. I do not expect Boyle to score a lot of goals, but he was not able to handle the puck or make competent passes tonight as a result. This hurt the team's already anemic offense. No one on the team should be lauded for their defensive work, they do not know how to set up unless they forecheck. The team needs to improve in the neutral zone. This is not Boyle's forte.
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I would have to say that I disagree with the bolded part. There were some fairly good defensive plays made tonight, many of them in the neutral zone, which is an area that they gave up in the last two games, I thought.

All in all, I thought they were much better this game. They have to strike quick at getting rid of Biron, and the dumb penalties have to stop. Sometimes it really is that simple.
 
Savant said:
Boyle has not been fine this season. He cannot handle the puck at all and is killing them in transition. Boyle was passable in the previous regime, he should be moved for the better of the team.

This is not anti-Boyle so much as it is the fact that he does not fit what the team is trying to do going forward.
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This statement is equal parts hilarious and sad - specifically because I have no idea how you could even define what that exactly is with the crap we've seen in the past week.
 
trilobyte said:
I would have to say that I disagree with the bolded part. There were some fairly good defensive plays made tonight, many of them in the neutral zone, which is an area that they gave up in the last two games, I thought.

All in all, I thought they were much better this game. They have to strike quick at getting rid of Biron, and the dumb penalties have to stop. Sometimes it really is that simple.
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I agree with the second paragraph. Dorsett killed them tonight much more than Boyle did. The Rangers cannot overcome stupid penalties. My problem is going through the neutral zone on offense. I haven't seen them able to create offensively unless they have forechecked, or have already been in the opponents zone.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
This statement is equal parts hilarious and sad - specifically because I have no idea how you could even define what that exactly is with the crap we've seen in the past week.
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Fair enough, but from what I saw tonight, Boyle was in more offensive positions then we had seen in the previous regime, but this could be open to debate.
 
The one satisfaction I had while attending the Ducks game was yelling "BOYLE YOU SUCK" as loud as I could in my Rangers jersey. I know he heard me.
 
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