Juraj Slafkovsky - Year Two

Where would you prefer Slaf spend his 23-24 season?


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Jeune Poulet

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But it tells me alot about you as a fan when i read you about a 19 years old prospect who haven’t played 50 games yet lol.
What does it tell you, exactly? What has @River Meadow said about Slafkovsky that was so bad?

Why is it wrong to properly evaluate prospects on a forum called "Hockey's future", that was built specifically to do that?

I probably shouldn't, but I'm always surprised by posts like this, and the support they get.
 
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Kennerback

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He has the same number of shifts as his linemates (Andy tend to get one more than the other two), so the time difference is just the other stretching their shifts. It's the entire line getting limited usage in the 3rd, not Slaf specifically.
At this point, Slaf’s purely a placeholder to rest other players. MSL probably just wants him to not make a defensive mistake. MSL knows he won’t shoot, won’t provoke rebounds, won’t be wacking at the puck in front of the net, will pass but not to someone in a position to score. =reality
 

WeThreeKings

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Slaf's level of play doesn't (and shouldn't) depend on Dach.

He's just bad out there right now, regardless of who else is on the ice.

He's not bad out there.. he's a mixed bag.

His shifts are either glimpses of things that you want to see long term and equate a very good player.
Average and uneventful.
Or bad turn-overs with a lack of focus/execution not uncommon for a young player.
 

Kennerback

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He's not bad out there.. he's a mixed bag.

His shifts are either glimpses of things that you want to see long term and equate a very good player.
Average and uneventful.
Or bad turn-overs with a lack of focus/execution not uncommon for a young player.
I don’t mind his turn-overs or lack of focus/execution. I do mind the « average and uneventful » particularly because nothing shows me he can break out of that pattern.

To bring past young players in their 1st or 2nd season: Kostitsyn, Latendresse, Kotkaniemi and Galchenyuk, they would try and fail at getting to the slot, pushing the play, taking the puck to the net. Some of them never ended up being successful at it. Slaf is a unicorn in that he’s not even trying to do those things. IDK if he even know what it is that he needs to try.
 
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Toene

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Sign Jagr to a million-dollar contract just to be Slaf's personal coach. Lol, it's crazy but it would honestly be worth it. Just try someting because the kid is lost.
 

Kennerback

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Sign Jagr to a million-dollar contract just to be Slaf's personal coach. It's crazy but it would honestly be worth it.
Slaf has an interesting package. Big, good stickhandler…. But he hasn’t shown the slightest inkling on how he’ll ever use his physical package. I don’t know if he can just change the way he plays at 19-20 years old. Jagr already played like Jagr at 19. But anything is better than now.
 

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He's not bad out there.. he's a mixed bag.

His shifts are either glimpses of things that you want to see long term and equate a very good player.
Average and uneventful.
Or bad turn-overs with a lack of focus/execution not uncommon for a young player.

I didn't see a mixed bag. A mixed bag means ups as well as downs to me. I would prefer he made more blunders but actually tried things with the puck. He's as eager to get rid of the puck as he is to get it in the first place.
 

BehindTheTimes

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have not had a chance to see him play this season... how has he been? IMO he will pan out, shouldn't have been in the nhl last season tho
He won’t beat his 10 point season from last year if he keeps performing at this rate.

He looks like a player who clearly doesn’t belong. Averaging 14 mins, 1 shot per game, 1assist, behind the play for most of those 14 minutes. The odd nice pass here and there, but ultimately not very good. He looks like a much worse Richard Zednik atm.

There’s no reason to keep him up now other than stubbornness and refusing to admit you’ve made a mistake. I still think he will be a good player down the road. Not a player you pick 1OA, but a good player. If they keep this up, I worry that that is unlikely too.
 

WeThreeKings

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I didn't see a mixed bag. A mixed bag means ups as well as downs to me. I would prefer he made more blunders but actually tried things with the puck. He's as eager to get rid of the puck as he is to get it in the first place.

It depends on the shift honestly, there are occasions where he has attacked, gone inside, tried to make moves, but most of the time he wants to get to the outside and make a pass.

That's where things break down for him.
 

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He had a good first game. Then he's been absolute shit. Like think of the worst player you can think of and crank that a few notches.


Slaf has looked good ten games in his career. When carried by Monahan or Dach.

Nobody panicked with KK, I knew he shouldn't be in the NHL the first two years and he should've been brought slowly. Bergevin got scared and hardballed him and nearly costed him his career because of ego.

He should gtfo to Laval, stop the mind bending excuses. They're doing the exact same thing with Slaf as KK and you're still defending that shit, smarten up.
Great post , we handled KK like shit , now we pay the price now it's time for us to do the right thing and let him cook with Joshua Roy
 

BehindTheTimes

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Losing Kirby Dach will have that affect. Just a killer loss for us and Slaf.
No it doesn't, losing Kirby means he can no longer be a passenger on that line that gets few points here and there. Slaf was the weak link on that line too. It's not just the lack of production, he is constantly behind the play. He's in the wrong league.
 

Kennerback

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He won’t beat his 10 point season from last year if he keeps performing at this rate.

He looks like a player who clearly doesn’t belong. Averaging 14 mins, 1 shot per game, 1assist, behind the play for most of those 14 minutes. The odd nice pass here and there, but ultimately not very good. He looks like a much worse Richard Zednik atm.

There’s no reason to keep him up now other than stubbornness and refusing to admit you’ve made a mistake. I still think he will be a good player down the road. Not a player you pick 1OA, but a good player. If they keep this up, I worry that that is unlikely too.
You’re finally more bullish on him than me now.

On that note, I’ll attempt to be positive. I do want him to succeed. He has the physical package and stick skills to be a good power forward in the NHL. Right now, he’s playing like an energy forward that‘s not allowed to take the puck to the slot or the front of the net. He should be playing like Gallagher. I don’t know how that’s possible.
 

LesCanadiens

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He's not bad out there.. he's a mixed bag.

His shifts are either glimpses of things that you want to see long term and equate a very good player.
Average and uneventful.
Or bad turn-overs with a lack of focus/execution not uncommon for a young player.
Exactly. Too many extreme opinions lacking objectivity and balance. He's not been anywhere near as bad as those views. And actually, he looks exactly what would be expected considering factors. It's those glimpses (and some very impressive) that a good coach will build on. Part of it will be meting out ice-time in a strategic way. He's not really hurting the team overall. So not sure what all the screeching is based on. But it's been that way on HFBoards since I can remember. A lot of overreacting and player-bashing. It seems like some can't wait for a mistake or awkward play to come here and bash the player. It's like they are hoping he fails. Criticisms are OK, no doubt, but this all-or-nothing bashing lacks objectivity and thus credibility, IMO!
 

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Exactly. Too many extreme opinions lacking objectivity and balance. He's not been anywhere near as bad as those views. And actually, he looks exactly what would be expected considering factors. It's those glimpses (and some very impressive) that a good coach will build on. Part of it will be meting out ice-time in a strategic way. He's not really hurting the team overall. So not sure what all the screeching is based on. But it's been that way on HFBoards since I can remember. A lot of overreacting and player-bashing. It seems like some can't wait for a mistake or awkward play to come here and bash the player. It's like they are hoping he fails. Criticisms are OK, no doubt, but this all-or-nothing bashing lacks objectivity and thus credibility, IMO!
Calling his performance a “mixed bag” or “very impressive” or “as expected” is lacking objectivity and being partisan. Your words have no credibility if you state he’s performed as expected.
 

Scriptor

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It depends on the shift honestly, there are occasions where he has attacked, gone inside, tried to make moves, but most of the time he wants to get to the outside and make a pass.

That's where things break down for him.
I have to agree that he doesn't cut the middle often enough and, through game tape, that becomes predictable and easier to defend against.

Gomez, for example, who was the same, became easy to completely shut down, in the end. They gave him free rein from behind his own net to take the puck all the way to the corner in their own zone, but cut off all passing lanes and options.The play died there afterwards, as soon as they applied pressure on Gomez.

He wouldn't shoot net from a bad angle because there was no chance he could score à la Caufield from there, he had nobody to pass to and he could not win one on one battles.

Pretty, but totally ineffective and entirely predictable.

It's the same way with all players, especially good playmakers who fall back on that skill when they lack confidence in their game.

Suzuki is much less effective if he just looks to set up Caufield, for example. At the start of last year, he was on firebug also had as many goals as Caufield at that time because he was shooting the puck. That risk, for defending opponents, actually increased the odds of seeing Caufield ALSO score at a high clip because he doesn't need fourteen opportunities to actually score one and better passing lanes created by Suzuki's greater propensity to shoot assured that he would get a premium pass to score from.

Suzuki's obsession with setting up Caufield in the season's first few games is also entirely unwarranted as an approach because Caufield has demonstrated he can create scoring chances for himself by opening shooting lanes as he skates with the puck. Scoring opportunities, for him, aren't strictly required to come from one-timer opportunities, even if those tend to lead to good outcomes...

I've noticed that Slafkovsky is a pretty good playmaker and Honestly don't see why some posters were predicting or expecting 30 or 40 goals from him at his peak. Yes, he does have a good shot when he has a shooting lane open, but the shot still lacks consistency, for one, and Slafkovsky's default mode, when not at his optimum confidence levels either to pass the puck directly, or to move it forward to open space for a team mate to pounce on in full fight. He has a keen eye for those possibilities and, to me that actually demonstrates a hockey IQ that some rather claim doesn't have!

Slafkovsky still needs to harness his size and use it effectively.

Someone needs to tell him to shoot more often and be more selfish with the puck, but that includes telling him he must cut more often to the middle and create better shooting lanes through which the puck will be harder track in the process.

At his peak, however, Inever expect Slafkovsky to become a consistent 40+ goal scorer, although that could, one day, be a career year for him.

I expect Slafkovsky to become a puck-possession beast that can swat away opponents like flies, dig in and bring the puck to the net, whether it is by carrying it towards the crease, or by finding an open line-mate near the crease.

I always expected that Slafkovsky would be the type of player to have significantly more passes than goals if he were to become a 70-point player.

On a line with Dach, the pivot needs a pure sniper. That's not Slafkovsky, nor should it even be his role! However, Slafkovsky could also benefit from such a sharp-shooter.

Ultimately, the ideal scenario would have Slafkovsky develop into a winger that can complement Caufield and Suzuki because both players can really shoot the puck, even if Caufield is still a notch above Suzuki. Slafkovsky could get loose pucks in the O-zone, drive them the net, or feed either of his line mates.

Dach, who also doesn't shoot enough could do well with a player like Roy who can shoot and pass the puck. Newhook would be a good, complementary option on that line because of his speed, his playmaking skills, his shot and his vision as a Center himself. It would also a good mix of size and speed with a strong hockey IQ as a unifying trait.

Despite visions of Dach helping develop Slafkovsky, I don't think that this is the right place either for Juraj, in the end.

A strong top-6 of the future -- just not yet -- could well be made up of:

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky
Newhook - Dach - Roy
 
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Kennerback

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Exactly. Too many extreme opinions lacking objectivity and balance. He's not been anywhere near as bad as those views. And actually, he looks exactly what would be expected considering factors. It's those glimpses (and some very impressive) that a good coach will build on. Part of it will be meting out ice-time in a strategic way. He's not really hurting the team overall. So not sure what all the screeching is based on. But it's been that way on HFBoards since I can remember. A lot of overreacting and player-bashing. It seems like some can't wait for a mistake or awkward play to come here and bash the player. It's like they are hoping he fails. Criticisms are OK, no doubt, but this all-or-nothing bashing lacks objectivity and thus credibility, IMO!

We’re pissed with the situation. Whether Slaf was the right pick at 1OA is one issue. He is generously a « very raw » power forward in the making who’s playing absolutely nothing like a power forward. Now the Habs decided to pick a guy in that mold they need to make the effort to develop him as such.

He has tons of work and effort ahead of him to get him be to a good NHL power forward. But it’s quite obvious Habs did nothing to get him there as there’s no progress at all in his development. Either Slaf’s not trainable or they need to immediately break down walls to find someone that knows how to train Power Forward skills.
 
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Takeru

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Glad to see people changing their minds about sending Slaf to AHL. Hopefully the team does the right thing.
Ultimately we're not the ones who need convincing.

I'd be extremely curious to know what are the conversations they have with him behind closed doors/expected progression from his game. I mostly follow team/players progression by reading around the threads. I know points aren't the be all end all of a player, but even reading the more positive posts about Slaf, there frankly isn't that much to chew on in terms of encouraging signs.

Now, it's only been 9 games so far, any player can have subpar stretches, rookies especially so.
But I'd say one of the following two things should happen going forward towards the half season mark:

-A meaningful progression in terms of points/general playmaking/shot attempts/rushing the net/etc.

or

-A significant change in approach if things stagnate or trend worse than they do atm. For instance, send him to WJC then AHL.
 
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