Player Discussion Juraj Slafkovsky Discussion

[rik schau]

I know many of you blokes are head over heals for this chap, and I like him too,just don't see what it is that compelled those in charge to hand him a contract that will pay him ten million next season and the one after.

 

[Seb]

I know many of you blokes are head over heals for this chap, and I like him too,just don't see what it is that compelled those in charge to hand him a contract that will pay him ten million next season and the one after.

It's all about projection and development. He might not deserve it now, but unless he suffers a drastic step back, his contract should be great in 2-3 years, especially with the cap rising. It was a great gamble.

 

[rik schau]

It's all about projection and development. He might not deserve it now, but unless he suffers a drastic step back, his contract should be great in 2-3 years, especially with the cap rising. It was a great gamble.

Sports are a gamble,you can see that watching any broadcast.. He might in the future deserve it but he signed the extension after last season and this season I still don't see why it was that urgent. If he signed that extension now,would it still be so lavish based on his performance to date?

 

[417]

Sports are a gamble,you can see that watching any broadcast.. He might in the future deserve it but he signed the extension after last season and this season I still don't see why it was that urgent. If he signed that extension now,would it still be so lavish based on his performance to date?

It would be pretty much the same, probably slightly more given the cap is now projected to be higher than what it was when he signed.

I've said this for years, but fans worry too much about contracts.

Players for the most part, get paid what the market says they should. The only time you have a potential to significantly overpay a player, is in free agency.

Slaf's contract is going to age gracefully just like Suzuki and Caufield, who coincidently, many people wondered if the team was too hasty in signing them to their extensions.

The Team gave him a long-term commitment, the contract hasn't even kicked in yet. Why judge a long-term commitment in the short term?

 

[rik schau]

It would be pretty much the same, probably slightly more given the cap is now projected to be higher than what it was when he signed.

I've said this for years, but fans worry too much about contracts.

Players for the most part, get paid what the market says they should. The only time you have a potential to significantly overpay a player, is in free agency.

Slaf's contract is going to age gracefully just like Suzuki and Caufield, who coincidently, many people wondered if the team was too hasty in signing them to their extensions.

The Team gave him a long-term commitment, is contract hasn't even kicked in yet. Why judge a long-term commitment in the short term?

More, really. That's not the way we run our empire but I reckon Molson can do what he wants. What you reckon that Hutson boy will get 14,15 plus?

 

[Cole Caulifield]

Didn’t you know everything with Slafkvosky is non-linear and unorthodox? He is improving leaps and bounds but on a quantum, non-Newtonian level. Simple stats don’t show his progress. I was simply too stupid and stunted to understand such advanced physics.

Since he is taller than 6’1, mathematical concepts like Goals + Assists don’t apply to him. If he scores 50 and the 51 points he has actually significantly improved, I just didn’t see it due to the aforementioned stupidity. If his SoG went down, it was not counted in the quantum realm where it actually went up.

I think Slaf was adequate this season, nothing more. Up and down season. But I'd be terrified to move him and see him explode somewhere else later in his career a la Thompson, Protas (Protas wasn't moved but it took a while for him to develop)

 

[417]

More, really. That's not the way we run our empire but I reckon Molson can do what he wants. What you reckon that Hutson boy will get 14,15 plus?

Whatever the market dictates he should get when its time for him and the Habs to negotiate his extension is what he’ll get.

Its going to be a lot of money regardless.

But the Habs are in great shape in terms of the salary cap. Their entire 1st line have players signed to team friendly contracts for at least the next 5 years.

Price is coming off the books after next year, Anderson after that and then Gallagher.

 

[Cole Caulifield]

I know many of you blokes are head over heals for this chap, and I like him too,just don't see what it is that compelled those in charge to hand him a contract that will pay him ten million next season and the one after.

Actual salary is Molson's concerns. The only thing that matters is cap hit. Framing it the way you framed it is not pertinent. When you do that it takes away from your argument as it implies you are trying to make it look worse than it is IMHO.

 

[Cole Caulifield]

Whatever the market dictates he should get when its time for him and the Habs to negotiate his extension is what he’ll get.

Its going to be a lot of money regardless.

But the Habs are in great shape in terms of the salary cap. Their entire 1st line have players signed to team friendly contracts for at least the next 5 years.

Price is coming off the books after next year, Anderson after that and then Gallagher.

Agreed, also Price's contract will be moved this summer after July 2nd, almost sure of it.

 

[rik schau]

Whatever the market dictates he should get when its time for him and the Habs to negotiate his extension is what he’ll get.

Its going to be a lot of money regardless.

But the Habs are in great shape in terms of the salary cap. Their entire 1st line have players signed to team friendly contracts for at least the next 5 years.

Price is coming off the books after next year, Anderson after that and then Gallagher.

Hutson will easily be the highest paid player for Montreal.

 

[Kojo]

Hutson will easily be the highest paid player for Montreal.

Demidov is way better than Hutson at the same age. Demidov is also bigger, has a better shot. Better everything, better haircut. I'm not sure if Hutson can even grow a playoff beard, that should be a factor.

 

[Cole Caulifield]

Hutson will easily be the highest paid player for Montreal.

I agree. With the rookie season he had, the cap going up, etc. The only way it is not, is they decide to bridge him which would be a mistake in my opinion. With how dedicated he is to his craft, his intelligence, natural skills... it would be surprising to see regression in his play at all.

 

[417]

Hutson will easily be the highest paid player for Montreal.

Great news IMO.

 

[Cole Caulifield]

Demidov is way better than Hutson at the same age. Demidov is also bigger, has a better shot. Better everything,

Likely, but he's not up for renewal for a bit so Hutson's new contract will kick in before Demidov's and at least for one year he'll be the highest cap hit.

 

[rik schau]

Actual salary is Molson's concerns. The only thing that matters is cap hit. Framing it the way you framed it is not pertinent. When you do that it takes away from your argument as it implies you are trying to make it look worse than it is IMHO.

Yeah nah you got it wrong there. The cap is the cap and if he got what he got,why so soon when imo he hasn't look like he deserved it yet.

 

[Tyson]

Yeah nah you got it wrong there. The cap is the cap and if he got what he got,why so soon when imo he hasn't look like he deserved it yet.

Calculated risk/investment. It's done everyday in the corporate world.

 

[Cole Caulifield]

Yeah nah you got it wrong there. The cap is the cap and if he got what he got,why so soon when imo he hasn't look like he deserved it yet.

I don't understand your above point (the cap is the cap?), and I am not sure you understood my point either given your answer. But it's ok, we don't have to agree.

 

[rik schau]

Calculated risk/investment. It's done everyday in the corporate world.

I was heading in salary based on performance,we pay what they deserve,we don't pay upfront. Too bad the days of bonus money after the season is over,but it's a cap world.

 

[rik schau]

Demidov is way better than Hutson at the same age. Demidov is also bigger, has a better shot. Better everything, better haircut. I'm not sure if Hutson can even grow a playoff beard, that should be a factor.

Crikey! you're bonkers if facial hair is a criteria to worth.lol

 

[CzarDemidov]

I was heading in salary based on performance,we pay what they deserve,we don't pay upfront. Too bad the days of bonus money after the season is over,but it's a cap world.

I tend to agree with you, I don't see the point of rushing so far ahead of time to commit to a massive contract. It was off the back of 0.5 good seasons out of 1.5 played seasons out of a possible 2.0 seasons. He was hurt half of the year in his 1st season and was awful for the first half of his 2nd season before roaring awake in the second half of his 2nd season. Hughes was convinced by Slaf at the draft table, and at his rookie training camp, and then later with this contract. So we have to trust his judgement. (He also thought Alex Newhook was worth 2x what he spent to acquire Lane Hutson. eek)

Would Slaf have gotten 60m if he was a pending RFA, after a 51pt season? I really don't know.

 

[rik schau]

I don't understand your above point (the cap is the cap?), and I am not sure you understood my point either given your answer. But it's ok, we don't have to agree.

If ya don't understand there nothing more I can do to help you get it,it's not complicated.

 

[Deebs]

Would Slaf have gotten 60m if he was a pending RFA, after a 51pt season? I really don't know.

Given how teams are handing out contracts to young players these days, chances are good.

 

[rik schau]

I tend to agree with you, I don't see the point of rushing so far ahead of time to commit to a massive contract. It was off the back of 0.5 good seasons out of 1.5 played seasons out of a possible 2.0 seasons. He was hurt half of the year in his 1st season and was awful for the first half of his 2nd season before roaring awake in the second half of his 2nd season. Hughes was convinced by Slaf at the draft table, and at his rookie training camp, and then later with this contract. So we have to trust his judgement. (He also thought Alex Newhook was worth 2x what he spent to acquire Lane Hutson. eek)

Would Slaf have gotten 60m if he was a pending RFA, after a 51pt season? I really don't know.

So you understood what I was saying,good on ya. Ya reckon you can explain it better to the other blokes, I gotta hit the dunny.lol

 

[Cole Caulifield]

I was heading in salary based on performance,we pay what they deserve,we don't pay upfront. Too bad the days of bonus money after the season is over,but it's a cap world.

That's not how it actually works in the NHL. Almost all NHL teams frontload contracts in an effort to lower the cap hit. If Molson is ready to shoulder the financial cost to get an advantage in terms of salary cap, that is a good thing. If the salary cap did not exist, I would agree with your take. But it's not how it works anymore. KH would be a fool not to frontload his deals because then the player's agent would ask for more. Frontloading is the principle of money now is better than money later as I am sure you know. If the same contract for the same amount was evenly spread out it would mean less money in Slaf's pockets and his agent would undoubtedly not have agreed to such a deal.

 

[Kojo]

Would Slaf have gotten 60m if he was a pending RFA, after a 51pt season? I really don't know.

yes he would. Look it up. Looks a really good deal for us so far.